Anybody Do A No Wheat, No Dairy Diet/Cleanse?

[Rockport]

I meant too much insulin in the blood causes the liver to produce tri's. It has been 20 years since my last physiology(Med School Physio) class and most was forgotten.

I agree it is all in moderation and no diet is perfect for everyone. I do not like vegetables, never have and never will, and eat a lot of protein and carbs. I have gained maybe 5lbs over the last 20 years(now 43) and feel great and slim. My beef and pork are always trimmed of fat, so I eat the leanest of meats.

It all depends on the individuals genetic make-up and certain foods will effect some more than others. Moderation is key mixed in with some exercise should work for most IMO.

How's your cholesterol? HDL, LDL and triglycerides?

 

[Tabascocat]

How's your cholesterol? HDL, LDL and triglycerides?

Been a year since my wife made me go get checked but it was right on the border of normal/optimal. The LDL was in the low 120's, don't remember the HDL and tri's were 152.

Used to eat a lot of fried foods but have cut down quite a bit over the last year as well. I imagine my levels are about the same. I do take vitamins, always have.

 

[Rockport]

Been a year since my wife made me go get checked but it was right on the border of normal/optimal. The LDL was in the low 120's, don't remember the HDL and tri's were 152.

Used to eat a lot of fried foods but have cut down quite a bit over the last year as well. I imagine my levels are about the same. I do take vitamins, always have.

With your choice of diet, I would get it checked regularly. Your LDL is also close to being sub-optimal.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Eating 400 calories a day, can not be healthy. I agree, you can loose weight, if you calorie count, but it is misleading. IF you have the weight to lose, then it works.

I quit smoking last summer. From that point till the first of the year I gained a good deal of weight. Pants were about to bust, it was starting to mess with my sleep. I NEEDED to lose the weight and I had the weight to lose.

As long as I was not doing anything strenuous I was fine. I knew it would only be until the spring/summer. I knew there would be no way to do my normal yard work and so on with so little calories, however during the cold months it was ok.

I started at 1600 calories and moved down to that total per day.

Now that the weather is starting to turn cold again I will cut down the calories a good bit but I doubt I go all the way down to that level again.

But the main point I was making before is that if you are heavy. You can lose weight by counting calories. You don't have to exercise to lose weight. You also don't have to go on some crazy adkins diet, st john's wort diet, california diet or whatever the name of the diet.

Watch your calories. You will soon find that when you go to a strict calorie count you will find yourself eating better.

By that I meant I had the idea that I wanted to get the most amount of food for the least amount of calories.

You do not do that by eating a bunch of greasy foods. You don't do that by eating a bunch of candy or other junk foods.

You find yourself eating more natural foods and vegetables instead of a bunch of processed food.

Let me say I don't care what anyone eats. I LOVE to eat. I have no problem with eating meat. Have no problem with Pasta or any other types of food.

I am just saying that you can lose weight by calorie counting and when you calorie count you will find out that you eat more healthy because you want to get the most foods you can get with the least amount of calories.

Lots of salads.

Lots of vegetables.

Lots of chicken.

Lots of adding lettuce to other meals to bulk up the meals.

The ideal situation is to lower calories to a decent amount and exercise.

Oh and you have to have the will power to stick to your guns during these things. You have to be honest with yourself and not take cheat on what you are doing.

If you do well enough after a period of time you can reward yourself but that reward can not turn into a normal thing.

 

[CashMan]

I quit smoking last summer. From that point till the first of the year I gained a good deal of weight. Pants were about to bust, it was starting to mess with my sleep. I NEEDED to lose the weight and I had the weight to lose.

As long as I was not doing anything strenuous I was fine. I knew it would only be until the spring/summer. I knew there would be no way to do my normal yard work and so on with so little calories, however during the cold months it was ok.

I started at 1600 calories and moved down to that total per day.

Now that the weather is starting to turn cold again I will cut down the calories a good bit but I doubt I go all the way down to that level again.

But the main point I was making before is that if you are heavy. You can lose weight by counting calories. You don't have to exercise to lose weight. You also don't have to go on some crazy adkins diet, st john's wort diet, california diet or whatever the name of the diet.

Watch your calories. You will soon find that when you go to a strict calorie count you will find yourself eating better.

By that I meant I had the idea that I wanted to get the most amount of food for the least amount of calories.

You do not do that by eating a bunch of greasy foods. You don't do that by eating a bunch of candy or other junk foods.

You find yourself eating more natural foods and vegetables instead of a bunch of processed food.

Let me say I don't care what anyone eats. I LOVE to eat. I have no problem with eating meat. Have no problem with Pasta or any other types of food.

I am just saying that you can lose weight by calorie counting and when you calorie count you will find out that you eat more healthy because you want to get the most foods you can get with the least amount of calories.

Lots of salads.

Lots of vegetables.

Lots of chicken.

Lots of adding lettuce to other meals to bulk up the meals.

The ideal situation is to lower calories to a decent amount and exercise.

Oh and you have to have the will power to stick to your guns during these things. You have to be honest with yourself and not take cheat on what you are doing.

If you do well enough after a period of time you can reward yourself but that reward can not turn into a normal thing.

I applaud you for losing weight. I had a similar situation(allergies), happen to me earlier in the year.

 

[Tabascocat]

With your choice of diet, I would get it checked regularly. Your LDL is also close to being sub-optimal.

Kim, is that you incognito?? J/K

I plan on getting checked soonish, have a fear of blood being drawn. I can handle it all except that part, main reason I dropped out of med school long ago and could never get over it

My grandfather(who I take after 100%) ate meat and potatoes his whole life and the only veggie he ate was corn. He chewed tobacco, smoked and rarely exercised and only had minor health problems late in life. He died in an accident at 92 and was relatively healthy at the time.

I do not bank my health on this fact but it is something to grasp on to

This is why I am a firm believer in our genetic make-up, traits and generations. Some have to worry about what they eat more so than others due to their differing physiological activities, which can trace back to genetics.

I am glad to announce that I have mixed in two new vegetables in my diet........spinach salad and butternut squash(only if covered in brown sugar)

I do use a lot of carrots/onions/celery in my cooking but I puree them up for stocks, soups and other various methods to get me to eat them.

 

[Rockport]

Kim, is that you incognito?? J/K

I plan on getting checked soonish, have a fear of blood being drawn. I can handle it all except that part, main reason I dropped out of med school long ago and could never get over it

My grandfather(who I take after 100%) ate meat and potatoes his whole life and the only veggie he ate was corn. He chewed tobacco, smoked and rarely exercised and only had minor health problems late in life. He died in an accident at 92 and was relatively healthy at the time.

I do not bank my health on this fact but it is something to grasp on to

This is why I am a firm believer in our genetic make-up, traits and generations. Some have to worry about what they eat more so than others due to their differing physiological activities, which can trace back to genetics.

I am glad to announce that I have mixed in two new vegetables in my diet........spinach salad and butternut squash(only if covered in brown sugar)

I do use a lot of carrots/onions/celery in my cooking but I puree them up for stocks, soups and other various methods to get me to eat them.

I think your spot on saying that genetics has a great deal to do with it. There are many cases, such as your grandfathers. If your cholesterol is high when you get it checked, there's over the counter meds you can take to lower it so you don't have to take Lipitor or some other statin. Red Yeast rice, Niacin, Coenzyme Q10, Garlic kyolic and fish oil. As for vegetables, the more you eat them, the better tasting they become. Except for brussel sprouts. Still can't get use to those.

 

[Doc50]

I think your spot on saying that genetics has a great deal to do with it. There are many cases, such as your grandfathers. If your cholesterol is high when you get it checked, there's over the counter meds you can take to lower it so you don't have to take Lipitor or some other statin. Red Yeast rice, Niacin, Coenzyme Q10, Garlic kyolic and fish oil. As for vegetables, the more you eat them, the better tasting they become. Except for brussel sprouts. Still can't get use to those.

Sorry, the OTC meds for lipids don't do enough to warrant taking them. Even Niacin has now been shown to have no significant improvement in outcomes, and the risks outweigh the benefits.

Your liver can manufacture excessive levels of lipids - just a genetic thing. More than half of all lipids patients have this.
If so, you can eat nothing but celery and bean sprouts and still have high cholesterol and atherosclerotic vascular disease.
Entire families that previously would be dead by 60 are now living into their 90s (and bankrupting Medicare) by the use of statins.

If your excess is just from diet, you're in luck - medication won't be needed.

 

[Doc50]

Good job, Brain.

I quit smoking last summer. From that point till the first of the year I gained a good deal of weight. Pants were about to bust, it was starting to mess with my sleep. I NEEDED to lose the weight and I had the weight to lose

As long as I was not doing anything strenuous I was fine. I knew it would only be until the spring/summer. I knew there would be no way to do my normal yard work and so on with so little calories, however during the cold months it was ok.

I started at 1600 calories and moved down to that total per day.

Now that the weather is starting to turn cold again I will cut down the calories a good bit but I doubt I go all the way down to that level again.

But the main point I was making before is that if you are heavy. You can lose weight by counting calories. You don't have to exercise to lose weight. You also don't have to go on some crazy adkins diet, st john's wort diet, california diet or whatever the name of the diet.

Watch your calories. You will soon find that when you go to a strict calorie count you will find yourself eating better.

By that I meant I had the idea that I wanted to get the most amount of food for the least amount of calories.

You do not do that by eating a bunch of greasy foods. You don't do that by eating a bunch of candy or other junk foods.

You find yourself eating more natural foods and vegetables instead of a bunch of processed food.

Let me say I don't care what anyone eats. I LOVE to eat. I have no problem with eating meat. Have no problem with Pasta or any other types of food.

I am just saying that you can lose weight by calorie counting and when you calorie count you will find out that you eat more healthy because you want to get the most foods you can get with the least amount of calories.

Lots of salads.

Lots of vegetables.

Lots of chicken.

Lots of adding lettuce to other meals to bulk up the meals.

The ideal situation is to lower calories to a decent amount and exercise.

Oh and you have to have the will power to stick to your guns during these things. You have to be honest with yourself and not take cheat on what you are doing.

If you do well enough after a period of time you can reward yourself but that reward can not turn into a normal thing.

 

[Tabascocat]

I think your spot on saying that genetics has a great deal to do with it. There are many cases, such as your grandfathers. If your cholesterol is high when you get it checked, there's over the counter meds you can take to lower it so you don't have to take Lipitor or some other statin. Red Yeast rice, Niacin, Coenzyme Q10, Garlic kyolic and fish oil. As for vegetables, the more you eat them, the better tasting they become. Except for brussel sprouts. Still can't get use to those.

I think I was make this pre-emptive strike before being dragged to the Dr

 

[Rockport]

Sorry, the OTC meds for lipids don't do enough to warrant taking them. Even Niacin has now been shown to have no significant improvement in outcomes, and the risks outweigh the benefits.

Your liver can manufacture excessive levels of lipids - just a genetic thing. More than half of all lipids patients have this.
If so, you can eat nothing but celery and bean sprouts and still have high cholesterol and atherosclerotic vascular disease.
Entire families that previously would be dead by 60 are now living into their 90s (and bankrupting Medicare) by the use of statins.

If your excess is just from diet, you're in luck - medication won't be needed.

A cardiologist recommended these to me. My HDL is now 71 and LDL is 93. I don't know what it was before, but my overall cholesterall went from 221 to 173 after 6 months taking these OTC pills.

 

[Doc50]

A cardiologist recommended these to me. My HDL is now 71 and LDL is 93. I don't know what it was before, but my overall cholesterall went from 221 to 173 after 6 months taking these OTC pills.

Compare to your previous levels. There has probably been no significant change change in the LDL & HDL (the important numbers).

In fact, I would venture to say that you didn't need ANY lipid therapy in the first place. Your total cholesterol of over 200 used to be considered dangerous, but that was before we discovered HDL (good cholesterol) and its protective effects. The total number you have is elevated not because of bad (LDL), but because of good (HDL). you numbers were probably low-risk initially.

So, stop all of that snake oil, continue your diet and exercise, and repeat the lipid profile in 3 months; numbers will most likely be essentially the same.

 

[Rockport]

Compare to your previous levels. There has probably been no significant change change in the LDL & HDL (the important numbers).

In fact, I would venture to say that you didn't need ANY lipid therapy in the first place. Your total cholesterol of over 200 used to be considered dangerous, but that was before we discovered HDL (good cholesterol) and its protective effects. The total number you have is elevated not because of bad (LDL), but because of good (HDL). you numbers were probably low-risk initially.

So, stop all of that snake oil, continue your diet and exercise, and repeat the lipid profile in 3 months; numbers will most likely be essentially the same.

My cardiologist prescribed the Lipitor based on my cholesterol level. I grudgingly took it for a month until I experienced pain in the upper adominem. That's when she recommended the OTC stuff. I don't like having to take so many OTC pills but I'm hesitant to stop taking the fish oil and coenzyme q10.

 

[Doc50]

My cardiologist prescribed the Lipitor based on my cholesterol level. I grudgingly took it for a month until I experienced pain in the upper adominem. That's when she recommended the OTC stuff. I don't like having to take so many OTC pills but I'm hesitant to stop taking the fish oil and coenzyme q10.

Then get the previous profile and compare.
Your HDL is almost twice as good as normal, and that doesn't improve with anything but exercise. Your LDL is also in the low-risk range, and the meds you're on have virtually no impact on that.
A large study commissioned by the NIH and concluded this year showed that omega-3's do not improve outcomes whatsoever.

I'm involved in clinical research as a daily part of my practice.

 

[Rockport]

Then get the previous profile and compare.
Your HDL is almost twice as good as normal, and that doesn't improve with anything but exercise. Your LDL is also in the low-risk range, and the meds you're on have virtually no impact on that.
A large study commissioned by the NIH and concluded this year showed that omega-3's do not improve outcomes whatsoever.

I'm involved in clinical research as a daily part of my practice.

There are many studies out there that refute your omega-3 take. Who am I suppose to believe?

 

[Denim Chicken]

@Doc50,

What's your specialty, if you don't mind me asking?

 

[Doc50]

@Doc50,

What's your specialty, if you don't mind me asking?

Family Medicine.

 

[Doc50]

Also boarded in Hospice and Palliative Medicine.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Also boarded in Hospice and Palliative Medicine.

Interesting. Do you work in a long term care facility?

 

[Doc50]

Interesting. Do you work in a long term care facility?

No. Private practice. Multi-specialty group.