Anybody remember Parcells last SB win?

[Juke99]

One million and one ways to bash Parcells, amazing

Yeah....but don't forget, I came up with the first million.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

Who can remember the last time Dallas could compete with 3 of the 4 teams playing in the Conference Championships.

2003? Was that really that long ago that some forget?

 

[InmanRoshi]

I am not bashing Parcells!

The possession game is what he plays. I uderstand that and I also understand if we had a decent kicker we might still be playing. I have already stated this. I even stated I am rooting for the guy.

I understand that. I guess I just fail to understand how the possession philosophy is what is going to keep us from winning a Championship under Parcells.

All 4 of the teams playing this weekend were more conservative than the Cowboys on offense. Seattle ran the ball 52.3% of the time. Pitt ran it 59% of the time. Denver ran it 53.8% of the time. Carolina ran it 51.7% of the time. Dallas ran it 51.0% of the time.

Denver, Seattle and Pittsburgh finished in the top 5 in the NFL in rushing attempts.

Unlike the Cowboys, none of the 4 teams had more than 500 pass attempts on the season.

So I don't see how Parcells conservative possession philosophy will prevent the Cowboys from winning a Superbowl when its currently proving to be the best way to win a Superbowl.

If anything, the Indianapolis Colts philosophy of offense has proven to be an offense that will only take you so far, but won't get you to the next level.

 

[InmanRoshi]

2003? Was that really that long ago that some forget?

I did forget, thanks. Wow, that was an amazing job of coaching.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

I understand that. I guess I just fail to understand how the possession philosophy is what is going to keep us from winning a Championship under Parcells.

All 4 of the teams playing this weekend were more conservative than the Cowboys on offense. Seattle ran the ball 52.3% of the time. Pitt ran it 59% of the time. Denver ran it 53.8% of the time. Carolina ran it 51.7% of the time. Dallas ran it 51.0% of the time.

Denver, Seattle and Pittsburgh finished in the top 5 in the NFL in rushing attempts.

Unlike the Cowboys, none of the 4 teams had more than 500 pass attempts on the season.

So I don't see how Parcells conservative possession philosophy will prevent the Cowboys from winning a Superbowl when its currently proving to be the best way to win a Superbowl.

If anything, the Indianapolis Colts philosophy of offense has proven to be an offense that will only take you so far, but won't get you to the next level.

Typically, the teams with the best records run the ball the most, not as an offfensive philosophy but rather as a result of leading in the fourth quarter.

I have no problem with a conservative offense, rather I have a problem with a predictable offense. A team could throw the ball 700 times but if you know when and what routes are being run it's fairly easy for the defense to shut them down.

Several Steeler defenders have commented about how well prepared they were for the Colts' blocking schemes. That's predicatable.

 

[Rack]

Anybody remember Parcells last SB win?

Key word being "Win."


I don't care if he lines up Bozo the Clown behind center and moves Jason Ferguson to FS, if we win a superbowl I'll be happy.

 

[joseephuss]

I understand that. I guess I just fail to understand how the possession philosophy is what is going to keep us from winning a Championship under Parcells.

All 4 of the teams playing this weekend were more conservative than the Cowboys on offense. Seattle ran the ball 52.3% of the time. Pitt ran it 59% of the time. Denver ran it 53.8% of the time. Carolina ran it 51.7% of the time. Dallas ran it 51.0% of the time.

Denver, Seattle and Pittsburgh finished in the top 5 in the NFL in rushing attempts.

Unlike the Cowboys, none of the 4 teams had more than 500 pass attempts on the season.

So I don't see how Parcells conservative possession philosophy will prevent the Cowboys from winning a Superbowl when its currently proving to be the best way to win a Superbowl.

If anything, the Indianapolis Colts philosophy of offense has proven to be an offense that will only take you so far, but won't get you to the next level.

The only reason Dallas didn't run the ball more is because they weren't succesful at doing it. If they could run the ball for a higher average, they would have led the league in attempts and probably would have been in the playoffs. It is not the philosophy of being conservative and running the ball. It is if the team is effective in doing it. After that it becomes a matter of adjustments to compensate for the lack of an effective running game or adjustments to take advantage of an effective running game.

The four remaining teams run good play action schemes because their running games are so effective. That is what Parcells is trying to achieve, but unfortuantely they didn't run it well. I think Dallas was lacking in overcoming their less than stellar running game, but then again, there wasn't much to work with if you count a rookie RT, a backup LT, an injured RG. There are some slightly smaller issues with receiver and QB, but if I bring that up this thread will it 20 pages.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

Typically, the teams with the best records run the ball the most, not as an offfensive philosophy but rather as a result of leading in the fourth quarter.

I have no problem with a conservative offense, rather I have a problem with a predictable offense. A team could throw the ball 700 times but if you know when and what routes are being run it's fairly easy for the defense to shut them down.

Several Steeler defenders have commented about how well prepared they were for the Colts' blocking schemes. That's predicatable.

My compliments. This is one of the best responses that I have read in a long time. I agree wholeheartedly. It's not so much the nature of the offense but the predictable nature of certain offenses. A classic example is the Houston Oilers run n shoot. It was a very explosive offense but a tad bit predictable which is why the better teams in the NFL could stop them.

 

[InmanRoshi]

It is not the philosophy of being conservative and running the ball. It is if the team is effective in doing it. After that it becomes a matter of adjustments to compensate for the lack of an effective running game or adjustments to take advantage of an effective running game.

Okay, I would buy into that if Carolina wasn't worse at running the ball in every statistical category than Dallas, and yet they still had a higher runass ratio.


In the end you're basically saying that its not a problem that the team is being conservative, they just need to get better at being conservative like Pittsburg and Denver.

I totally agree with that, and I'm sure Parcells does too.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Typically, the teams with the best records run the ball the most, not as an offfensive philosophy but rather as a result of leading in the fourth quarter.

You mean like Atlanta?

I have no problem with a conservative offense, rather I have a problem with a predictable offense. A team could throw the ball 700 times but if you know when and what routes are being run it's fairly easy for the defense to shut them down.

The predictable thing has always cracked me up. The best teams are the most predictable. They do certain things well and they stick with it. Denver has maybe 2 or 3 base running plays that they run 75% of the time for their running plays. Think about the great teams in the NFL, and they were all predictable. Norv was the most predictable playcaller in this history of the NFL in the early 90's.

 

[joseephuss]

Okay, I would buy into that if Carolina wasn't worse at running the ball in every statistical category than Dallas, and yet they still had a higher runass ratio.


In the end you're basically saying that its not a problem that the team is being conservative, they just need to get better at being conservative like Pittsburg and Denver.

I totally agree with that, and I'm sure Parcells does too.

Yep, that is what I am saying. The only caveat being, what happens if it doesn't work? I don't have an answer for that and this season, neither did Parcells.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Yeah....but don't forget, I came up with the first million.

You have already won the PBC this season. (Parcells Bashing Cup) My friend.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Yep, that is what I am saying. The only caveat being, what happens if it doesn't work? I don't have an answer for that and this season, neither did Parcells.

If Denver's running game stunk this year, you think Shannahan could have finagled some way to win 11 games by making Denver a run and shoot team with Jake Plummer at the helm? Nuh-uh. It wouldn't have fixed anything, only made it worse.

Whoever wins the Superbowl this year did it because they had a philosophy, built the team around that philosophy and when things got tough they didn't scrap it ... they just tried to get better at it. Its not like Pittsburgh cake walked to the playoffs. They got in on a wildcard birth and didn't even seal that up until the final couple of weeks of the season. They went on a 3 game losing streak earlier in the year. Did they say "this power running game philosophy and defense isn't working" and scrap it all? No, they stuck with it and tried to get better at it, because they knew it was their best chance to win.

 

[joseephuss]

If Denver's running game stunk this year, you think Shannahan could have finagled some way to win 11 games by making Denver a run and shoot team with Jake Plummer at the helm? Nuh-uh. It wouldn't have fixed anything, only made it worse.

Whoever wins the Superbowl this year did it because they had a philosophy, built the team around that philosophy and when things got tough they didn't scrap it ... they just tried to get better at it. Its not like Pittsburgh cake walked to the playoffs. They didn't really seal anything up until Week 16. They they lost 3 games in a row this season. Did they say "this philosophy isn't working" and scrap it all? No, they stuck with it and tried to get better at it, because they knew it was their best chance to win.

I am not talking about scrapping the philosophy at all. I am talking about finding alternatives. Maybe there just weren't any. I doubt that. I know there weren't many. That is mostly because of the talent or lack of talent on the team.

The Seattle game was the best example for me. Twice they had the ball inside the 10 with a first down. They ran the ball on 1st and 2nd down in both series and then had to pass on 3rd. That was not conserative, it was just dumb. They could have run a play action at least once. It would have still been a conservative play because if it isn't open, Bledsoe just throws it away. They don't have to go to a spread formation, just run it from a power set. They ran it against KC and it worked, but until then,they beat their heads against the wall just trying to run it up the gut. I don't think they fully utilized what they had on offense. I admit that even if they got the most out of their talent on offense, it still was not enough to win it all this year, but I think it could have been slightly better.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

If Denver's running game stunk this year, you think Shannahan could have finagled some way to win 11 games by making Denver a run and shoot team with Jake Plummer at the helm? Nuh-uh. It wouldn't have fixed anything, only made it worse.

At the same time, Shannahan didn't exactly have Jake Plummer take 3 step drops and take snaps in the shotgun the way Elway used to. According to your logic Shannahan should have just forced Plummer to play like Elway by having take a lot of 3 and 5 step drops and release the ball because "that his offense." Shannahan worked with Plummer's strengths and devised a lot of bootlegs to maximize his strengths and minimize his weaknesses. I believe 15 of his TD's were thrown outside the hash marks. Making adjustments isn't translation for running an entirely different offense. I don't think anyone was suggesting that Parcells run a different style of offense altogether. But our playcalling was getting predictable and he could have made some adjustments to maximize our players strengths. For example, Julius Jones is not the type of running back like Maurice Carthon who will run up the middle and control clock.

I don't fault Parcells for using max protect schemes like some fans. I think he has been unfairly criticized for that. But he could have varied it up some which he didn't do and our playcalling got a bit predicatable. Still, I see your point too in that some fans have unfairly attacked Parcells in this regard.

 

[Juke99]

You have already won the PBC this season. (Parcells Bashing Cup) My friend.

I'd like to thank everyone who made this aware possible...uh, Bill Parcells..and well, uh, Bill Parcells....and what kind of person would I be if I didn't thank Bill Parcells?