Anyone else hate zone passing defensive scheme?

[LarryCanadian]

Unless you have really smart, quick, instinctive playmakers for safeties and corners, I think that is a terrible strategy for a D?

I was worried when we let Church and Carr go, but not because they were playing dominantly and worth the money they got, more so because I heard "this will allow Marinelli to bring in players and do his preferred zone scheme.

Oh Boy. To me, that means without strong pass rush, guys are open all the time! Can't stand it. Early in season when were getting a lot of sacks, and pressure, and QB has little time, then zone isn't so obviously a disadvantage. BUT, as soon as a QB has time, he can pick you apart. Guys are wide open.

In my admittedly inexperienced (coaching wise) opinion ZONE has never fit this teams strengths. I think it is why Byron Jones (what the HELL?) and Brown have regressed! At least with MAN coverage - it is a pretty simple idea - and for inexperienced, and perhaps less instinctive/football intelligent players - that simplicity allows them to more easily do their job - STICK to this or that guy.

So many missed or blown assignments - and with far less effective pass rush lately - wham - QB's pick us apart even worse.

I don't know how often we have played in zone versus man this season, but I don't think the return to zone has helped at all. Maybe i don't understand the concept, but we don't have ball hawks and super instinctive DB's yet - so i think man would be so much better - plus easier to see what player is not getting the job done and coach him up or replace him. Zone is a "finger pointers" dream - NO - you should tackle him or should have had him - this secondary ain't there yet and probably doesn't have brains, mental strength to the zone scheme.....

 

[xwalker]

Unless you have really smart, quick, instinctive playmakers for safeties and corners, I think that is a terrible strategy for a D?

I was worried when we let Church and Carr go, but not because they were playing dominantly and worth the money they got, more so because I heard "this will allow Marinelli to bring in players and do his preferred zone scheme.

Oh Boy. To me, that means without strong pass rush, guys are open all the time! Can't stand it. Early in season when were getting a lot of sacks, and pressure, and QB has little time, then zone isn't so obviously a disadvantage. BUT, as soon as a QB has time, he can pick you apart. Guys are wide open.

In my admittedly inexperienced (coaching wise) opinion ZONE has never fit this teams strengths. I think it is why Byron Jones (what the HELL?) and Brown have regressed! At least with MAN coverage - it is a pretty simple idea - and for inexperienced, and perhaps less instinctive/football intelligent players - that simplicity allows them to more easily do their job - STICK to this or that guy.

So many missed or blown assignments - and with far less effective pass rush lately - wham - QB's pick us apart even worse.

I don't know how often we have played in zone versus man this season, but I don't think the return to zone has helped at all. Maybe i don't understand the concept, but we don't have ball hawks and super instinctive DB's yet - so i think man would be so much better - plus easier to see what player is not getting the job done and coach him up or replace him. Zone is a "finger pointers" dream - NO - you should tackle him or should have had him - this secondary ain't there yet and probably doesn't have brains, mental strength to the zone scheme.....

Teams in the modern NFL need to be good at both.

The LBs have been a big part of the failures in zone.

 

[Carson]

Anthony Brown, Orlando Scandrick, Byron Jones, Jeff Heath and our entire linebacking corp. (outside of Lee) should be dropped off at our next away game and never return. The middle of the field being open half the time is do to the fact our linebackers do not get back quick enough.

The cover two zone concept, is a simple scheme. It allows you to get by, with less talented players. Problem is, it’s easy to exploit. Every time an opposing player runs the square in or deep drag? Cover two hole. Keenan Allen was so wide open yesterday why? He was killing the holes in a cover two.

The best thing this defense can do, is go man across the board. Play a cover one up top. Risk and reward. Anthony Brown and Orlando Scandrick are turning in Jacques Reeves, Nate Jones and Alan Ball terrible. They have zero ball skills and just flat out can not detect the ball in the air.

Teams like the Chargers can run a cover three and allow an extra rusher or defender because Heyward can shut down his entire side of the field.

This outdated bend don’t break defense just doesn’t work when your defense breaks, breaks, breaks and never makes plays.

 

[dwreck27]

Young corners, inconsistent rush( thanks refs for helping with this via holds), and LBs that are practice squad candidates elsewhere

Where’s our strength and bread and butter to rely on?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Teams in the modern NFL need to be good at both.

The LBs have been a big part of the failures in zone.

And how.

And it's been that way for years.

This team has had many linebackers (especially inside linebackers) who couldn't cover.

 

[Howboutdemcowboys31]

I dislike the scheme I really hate how much space Anthony Brown gives

 

[xwalker]

I dislike the scheme I really hate how much space Anthony Brown gives

Yes, that more scheme than player.

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

I just hate whatever we play.

 

[CCBoy]

Yes, that more scheme than player.

Incompetence, no matter what label one wishes to stick upon it.

But opponents, insert name now, successfully take advantage with choking regularity...now label it.

 

[DogFace]

What changed from our early season success with the pass rush?

Did other teams learn holding was now legal ?

Sorry, I’m not trying to derail the thread, but I think that’s a real possibility. Regardless this system is stale and predictable. Other coaches know exactly how to attack it and how we will react.

 

[noshame]

Well as everybody has said you got to have cover guys to run the scheme and we don't
We know that so why don't we just stop trying to run it rod.
How many times can you put your guys in a position to fail and just sit there and watch him fail you see the same coverage mistakes over and over and over week after week who's coaching these guys.

 

[Carson]

Well as everybody has said you got to have cover guys to run the scheme and we don't
We know that so why don't we just stop trying to run it rod.
How many times can you put your guys in a position to fail and just sit there and watch him fail you see the same coverage mistakes over and over and over week after week who's coaching these guys.

Sadly, Rods defense, is not to make consistent stops and win games.

It’s for teams like Dallas last year. Dominate on offense, control the clock and hold them under 30

 

[Cowboys22]

I hate the overuse of it, especially on 3rd and long. I'd rather play man and blitz, not allowing the longer routes to fully develop. Play more man and if the corners get beat all the time, then you need new corners. Simple as that.

 

[HungryLion]

Zone is only effective with consistent pressure.

If you don’t pressure the QB. It is relatively easy for an experienced QB and Receiver to find the holes in the zone. The key is, the DL needs to pressure the QB before they find the holes.