Anyone else have problems sleeping?

[CouchCoach]

Maybe start the process of winding down earlier

Turn off the electronics about and hour or two before you want to go sleep, except maybe the TV on low

Train your body when you get into bed sleep is coming within an hour

I like to keep the room super super dark(I even tape over some electronic lights) with a fan blowing

I get up once or twice to pee and a couple times to turn over but I get 7-8 decent hours

A one hour mid-afternoon nap is glorious when you can get it

Man named Nightman should be taken seriously on this matter. My wife used to call me her "morning man" but I think for different reasons.

 

[Runwildboys]

Man named Nightman should be taken seriously on this matter. My wife used to call me her "morning man" but I think for different reasons.

"Hey, take it when ya can get it, woman!"

 

[CouchCoach]

I bet!

Worst I ever saw was the schedule my brother used to have:
Work 12 hours for three days
Off three days
Work 12 hours for three nights
Off three days
Then back to three days on, etc.

I hear there's something called "Rotating Shift Disease", caused by that type of schedule.

My brother-in-law had that because he had seniority and could claim 3rd shift for higher wage when he needed it. He shifted far too much.

 

[Runwildboys]

My brother-in-law had that because he had seniority and could claim 3rd shift for higher wage when he needed it. He shifted far too much.

So we have confirmation that it's a real thing, thanks CC!

 

[CouchCoach]

So we have confirmation that it's a real thing, thanks CC!

Man, his entire system was screwed up not just his sleep pattern. His doc told him to stop shifting like that and settle in on one shift for his body and mind to acclimate.

 

[Runwildboys]

Man, his entire system was screwed up not just his sleep pattern. His doc told him to stop shifting like that and settle in on one shift for his body and mind to acclimate.

Well yeah, it's a disease.

 

[Runwildboys]

Hey @BrAinPaiNt , have you checked into getting a sleep number bed?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Hey @BrAinPaiNt , have you checked into getting a sleep number bed?

<---- Broke Hillbilly

 

[Runwildboys]

<---- Broke Hillbilly

Yeah, I know that feeling...........at least the "broke" part. That sucks.

 

[Nightman]

Man named Nightman should be taken seriously on this matter. My wife used to call me her "morning man" but I think for different reasons.

Me too

 

[Vomit]

My brother-in-law had that because he had seniority and could claim 3rd shift for higher wage when he needed it. He shifted far too much.

I did my masters thesis on exposure to light at night, and it's a fact night shifts are very detrimental to your health.....not to mention it's deleterious effect on the biota.

 

[visionary]

That WAS part of it. That is what I had a problem initially with sleep apnea,

However I am passed that issue. That is not what is waking me up multiple times a night like it did originally. It is no longer sleep apena waking me up. It is having to use the bathroom combined with drooling due to sleeping with my mouth open because I don't get enough air through my nose.

I am to get scheduled to get my deviated septum fixed sometime this spring and I hope that opens up my nasal cavaties a little more.

The weight issue is not going to go away anytime soon. I do not delude myself into thinking it will nor lie about it.

A few years ago when I quit smoking I gained a good deal of weight (40-50 lbs) but then later the wife and I went on an extreme diet and I lost 50-60 pounds.
Problem is the wife went from making salads every day to making everything under the sun (one extreme to the other) to now almost only take out food.
I am the type of old school person that eats what is given to me ( no dirty jokes).

Even when asking for salads from take out places, it is not doing much good. So I am over weight with not realistic chance of that changing in the near future.

That is not something that is going to change so no harping on it...just like the doctor continuing to talk about a Cpap machine...just is not going to go right now.

My apologies in advance for being direct

You have classic sleep apnea and you're not past anything
You need cpap and exercise and weight loss
You're just fooling yourself with anything else

Just my .02

 

[Blackrain]

Brother I feel your pain .. First I found out the great tasting food my wife was feeding me after 50 was going to kill me . I also went the take out route with no better results . I now feed myself the food women and kids can eat just puts weight on older guys and eventually kills us .

Eat eggs turkey and cheese in an omelet for breakfast a big salad for lunch and Steak , Chicken or Turkey for dinner with broccoli or green beans drink water . That's it you will lose weight and not be hungry . A bunch of guys at my shooting club have tried it with great results as long as they had the will power to stay on it .

Once you kill off the weight it is much easier to exercise which I have found is the best sleeping pill . I manage a large property and run my own landscaping business so I am doing physical work most of the time but I need to drink a lot of water especially in the summer to stay hydrated and after bouncing around on a mower for 40 yrs I'm up 3times a night .

I have 4 dogs and when I get up to pee they all think they need to go too so by the time I get them out and back in in 20 degree weather I'm wide awake all while the wife gets 8 hrs of uninterrupted sleep . A bomb could go off and she would sleep through it . Then of course we have the snow plowing that goes on through the night that throws what ever half --ed sleep schedule I have out the window .

I cant sleep during the day very well . Best sleep I get is up at my cabin after hunting birds all day . I'm dead tired eat a good Steak dinner and try not to drink anything and I'm out .

Its a horrible bland diet have not had a Pizza in 4 yrs but killed of 50 lbs and kept it off . This level of fitness lets me work hard so I'm tired enough to get the best sleep I can under the circumstances .

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

My apologies in advance for being direct

You have classic sleep apnea and you're not past anything
You need cpap and exercise and weight loss
You're just fooling yourself with anything else

Just my .02

Appreciate your opinion but there seems to be some kind of misunderstanding along the way in this thread.

I am NOT denying I need to lose weight. I know that already. However I also am not going to delude myself into thinking it is going to happen anytime soon due to the very reasons I described already.
Kind of hard to lose weight when the only food you get is pretty much junk food from take out. Although even then I get salads a couple times a week from take out. The only other thing to do diet wise would be to completely stop eating I guess.

I am NOT opposed to diets. As I have also stated before, but did not go into details, was that the wife and I DID go on a diet a few years ago and I lost 50-60 pounds doing so in the winter months. We boiled it down to pure calorie counting and for a couple of months we made it so extreme that we did not reach over 40 calories per day.

When that ended, or when the wife just got tired of it, I was still game. I told her we just needed to have regular food again but in smaller amounts while having a salad with it to make us feel full. We could triple our calorie intake and still be in good shape diet wise as we would be burning it off doing things outside now that it was getting warmer. However instead of doing that she started cooking huge meals and not taking into account any calories or even remotely trying to be any kind of diet and after a few years of that not wanting to cook at all and started doing daily take out foods 5 out of the 7 days of the week. I don't care who you are, it is hard to be realistic about a diet when your only source of daily intake is take out foot from fast food joints. It is just not realistic. It is not a matter of wanting to diet. I have done it before as noted above.

As far as having sleep apnea or not...maybe I still do. However I will say when I am on some kind of pill that gives me dry mouth...I sleep well.
As a matter of fact last night I only drooled once and only got up to pee once...it was the best night of sleep I have had in a long time.
The less I drool, the less I have to use the bathroom...the better I sleep.

When I was in full blown sleep apnea...I would wake up breathing heavy as if someone was trying to suffocate me due to my oxygen being cut off.

A few other things of note.

I have a doctor apt in a month or so to set up a date to correct my deviated septum. My deviated septum has been a problem for years. I have one nose hole that is pretty much cut off compared to the other one. I think that is part of the reason I only sleep on one side with also an ear problem that forced me to change my sleeping style some what.

I know a CPAP would be a waste of my time as I sleep now. It is a flat out fact. Someone mentioned it earlier about trying breath right strips. I bought a pack of them. the pack had 30 in it. I tried it for 30 nights. I never made it the first 15 or so days without taking them off in the middle of the night as they were agitating me so much. Then after that I would force myself to keep them on but I kept messing (touching) it throughout the night. I guess I would go to sleep and think it was something was on my nose like a bug or something. So I would continually wake myself up grabbing or scratching my nose. I could only imagine what I would be doing with a CPAP on my full face.

ALSO...IF I could learn to sleep on my back...and get a pillow or something that would prevent me from getting a headache. Right now if I sleep on my back I wake up with a killer headache for some reason. So I would first have to try one of those sculpted pillows to see if it would prevent a headache and if it did...I would give the cpap a shot. But there is no damn way I am going to try wearing a CPAP when I am sleeping on side with my one arm under the pillow and me with my head on the pillow that is on my arm. That is just not realistic at this point. At the very least if I slept on my back and did not move around so much it would not get the CPAP tangled and irritating me even more than it already would.

Many of us would like to believe that all things in the world are black and white and that everyone fits into a specific box. Problem is that line of thinking is often unrealistic due to many different circumstances.
Often the truth is that most things have gray areas that can change the circumstances, that does not allow things to just be black or white like many think.

I know a diet is a good thing to help in my situation to lose weight and help...however as noted above I would pretty much have to quit eating right now as that would be about the only way to lose weight. Although I guess I could just eat salads from any take out joint...it would not be the first time I ate salads for months.

I imagine a CPAP would help, but I would have to completely alter how I lay at night and that would only be if a different pillow would prevent me from getting a headache. And then I would have to hope that if I could not get used to a simple breath right strip after a month that I would eventually get used to a CPAP machine. Maybe I would, Maybe I would not...I just know that being honest and realistic it would take a great deal of change right now. But if that is what it takes down the road...so be it. Another advantage to sleeping on my back would be I would not be drooling.

Now with all of that out of the way...it would be so much simpler just to have a pill that had a side effect of dry mouth. It worked before when I had a bottle of pills that did that for me. But that prescription was not my own and I could not get it for me when I asked for it because I was being honest. Told them why I wanted it and they said no. I guess I could lie and make up a reason why I needed a pill but that is not in my nature.

So I will continue to see if I can find a pill that will help with dry mouth.

I am also going to look at getting a different pillow, the sculpted (for lack of a better term) kind that might allow me to sleep on my back without getting a headache. And also hoping that getting my deviated septum corrected will help.

If the surgery helps cure the problem...Good for me.
IF I can get a pill to quit drooling...good for me.
If I can get a pillow to help me sleep on my back and the other things do not work..I will give the Cpap an honest try.

If I can get my wife to start cooking again and making healthy meals with salads with it...better for both of us for a multitude of reasons...however that might be harder than pulling teeth from a rabid wolverine lol.

 

[Blackrain]

Take the wife out of the equation and eat like the predator we are designed to be . Meat , Fat and Slow carbs through vegetables. Zero Bread , Soda , chips , We are only designed to have fast sugar during the growing season to store fat for winter . Our problem is we have access to it 24-7 and its like an irresistible drug that dose nothing but put weight on us .

Its our bodies survival response always trying to store fat for a hard winter but we sleep inside at a climate controlled 68 degrees and don't need to burn calories to stay warm anymore . I have been on Elk hunting trips where I slept in a tent freezing to death eating every thing I could get my hands on and still lost 6 lbs come home and gain it right back in a week .

 

[Runwildboys]

Take the wife out of the equation and eat like the predator we are designed to be . Meat , Fat and Slow carbs through vegetables. Zero Bread , Soda , chips , We are only designed to have fast sugar during the growing season to store fat for winter . Our problem is we have access to it 24-7 and its like an irresistible drug that dose nothing but put weight on us .

Its our bodies survival response always trying to store fat for a hard winter but we sleep inside at a climate controlled 68 degrees and don't need to burn calories to stay warm anymore . I have been on Elk hunting trips where I slept in a tent freezing to death eating every thing I could get my hands on and still lost 6 lbs come home and gain it right back in a week .

You'd be amazed how much less you have to sacrifice, if you work out regularly, cardio included.
Once you get your metabolism up to a higher level, you can eat just about anything you want, in moderation of course.

 

[rynochop]

Sounds like you need to learn how to cook or get a new wife..lol I kid. It's not hard to sauté a piece of fish in olive oil and garlic with some broccoli and garlic toast. Heck a hamburger steak and onions with a salad is better than takeout

 

[CouchCoach]

You'd be amazed how much less you have to sacrifice, if you work out regularly, cardio included.
Once you get your metabolism up to a higher level, you can eat just about anything you want, in moderation of course.

Moderation? What's that?

 

[Runwildboys]

Moderation? What's that?

That's what we didn't get enough of in the previous forum, eh @kskboys ? Heh heh heh!

 

[CouchCoach]

That's what we didn't get enough of in the previous forum, eh @kskboys ? Heh heh heh!

Ya know, he and Quick, osf, bengone and NYC, and others I am probably forgetting, never really made it all the way to the dark side. We kept pulling them back and ksk was the easiest because he made the mistake of trusting us. He never could break free, some outlaws just can't do the straight and narrow.

I just wish osf would get his buns over here so I can forgive him for giving me that warning point. I know that was something he didn't want to do but the set up I fell for from the guy pretending to be the chick, and pretending to be her brother, forced him too. I never told him that I understood and it was no problem at all.