Anyone else seriously worried about cornerback?

[Bleu Star]

Anyone saying Reeves was MIGHTY FINE has no football judgement at all.

tru

 

[Bleu Star]

True, but it must be able to fool some people

Yep! Texans!

This offseason has already been a WIN IMO. I don't have to throw up progressively in my throat every single week from now on. The human 15 yard cushion has exited the building!

We'll get some quality corners whether it be through FA or the draft. No worries here.

 

[Boysboy]

I've been saying for several months we need two new CB's this off season. I wouldn't say there is no real relief in sight just two days into free agency and the draft still two months away.

Assembling a revamped core of CB's is probably a very high priority in VR this off season. If we were discussing this in August I would be more concerned. It's just to early in the off season to begin pushing panic buttons.

Not yet-for now, neither Asante "I'm just a system-guy" Samuel nor Drayton "I'm a penalty machine" Florence would have been the answer. Trading for Hall, if the price is right, would be OK with me.

If we don't take care of this in the draft, THEN I will be livid.

 

[AsthmaField]

Don't forget, Phillips said that a lot of the time we had the correct coverages called, but we didn't play them. Correcting that will make probably the biggest improvement to our secondary no matter who we get or who we lose.

Plus, by all accounts Dave Campo is supposed to improve the secondary as well. So, you add in our secondary getting used to Phillips calls and a much better secondary coach and you have a recipe for improvement.

Then, add in any draft pick we might get along with an improved pass rush (which Phillips always gets in year 2 of his system) and I think we'll be more than fine.

JM $0.02

 

[speedkilz88]

Guys worrying about our 3rd corner being replaced by a #1 draft pick? That right there means things are really good guys.

 

[cowboyrock]

I don't see the reason to panic. We lost our easily replaceable nickel corner. Draft a CB in the first and maybe later in the draft. If we lose Newman or Henry next year we also lose their cap hit and can replace them(Newman not so easy, but extending him will actually lower his cap number at first). How many teams have 4 or 5 good CBs?

You people just dont get it. and never will. philly now has 4 good corners with Samual added.and the Jags added florence to their good corners. they now have 3 or 4 good ones. stop fooling yourself.we need 2 more good corners.

 

[Boysboy]

You people just dont get it. and never will. philly now has 4 good corners with Samual added.and the Jags added florence to their good corners. they now have 3 or 4 good ones. stop fooling yourself.we need 2 more good corners.

Lito will likely be out the door, that'll be three.

Where are you coming up with FOUR? Asante, Sheldon, Lito(assuming he's out, that'll be TWO).

And BTW-Florence is GARBAGE-he's the ultimate penalty machine.

 

[cowboyrock]

Lito will likely be out the door, that'll be three.

Where are you coming up with FOUR? Asante, Sheldon, Lito(assuming he's out, that'll be TWO).

And BTW-Florence is GARBAGE-he's the ultimate penalty machine.

William james did a good job for philly while shepard was hurt. philly had a good secondary, and still went out and got the top CB. thats why they will be much improved. they are spending money where it counts. on defense.

 

[Boysboy]

William james did a good job for philly while shepard was hurt. philly had a good secondary, and still went out and got the top CB. thats why they will be much improved. they are spending money where it counts. on defense.

You're kidding me, right? When Lito got hurt, even Jim Johnson had no choice but to have him play 10 yards off the receiver, and he got burned quite a bit even by average receivers.

BTW-he got benched as their nickel corner at midseason, AND he's gone via FA now.

 

[Rampage]

Yeah, I don't think there IS anyone in free agency to get. And while I know any rookie won't be drafted as a starter, the chances of him having to start at some point in the season are very good. Henry hasn't made it through a full campaign in years, and regardless, a nickel corner these days practically is a starter with the amount of three-receiver sets in the league.

And my point is, I doubt any rookie we get... unless he's a true phenom, and a very rare player... will equal the quality that Jaques Reeves gave us last year. Especially if thrown in as a starter due to injury, which seems almost a given at some point. And that means we have unequivocally gotten weaker at a position that was already our weakest.


This, honestly, is really not good...

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Aaron Ross from the giants filled in nicely for them

 

[cowboyrock]

Aaron Ross from the giants filled in nicely for them

Yea, but the giants had the best passrush in football. give it up guys. the corners on this team must be fixed. and SS too. i dont see why you guys are in denial. James was better than J. Reeves could ever dream of being.

 

[Boysboy]

Yea, but the giants had the best passrush in football. give it up guys. the corners on this team must be fixed. and SS too. i dont see why you guys are in denial. James was better than J. Reeves could ever dream of being.

Ummm......no-the Giants actually had pretty decent corners that can play bump-run, man-man(which was Webster's strengths anyways, something Tim Lewis, their previous DC, wasn't able to utilize). Jacques Reeves is nothing more that your decent Cover 2 corner, and a poor one at that.

BTW-what is your obsession with Will James? For the second time, he got BENCHED as their NICKEL CORNER at midseason for some 7th round rookie.

 

[cowboyrock]

Ummm......no-the Giants actually had pretty decent corners that can play bump-run, man-man(which was Webster's strengths anyways, something Tim Lewis, their previous DC, wasn't able to utilize). Jacques Reeves is nothing more that your decent Cover 2 corner, and a poor one at that.

BTW-what is your obsession with Will James? For the second time, he got BENCHED as their NICKEL CORNER at midseason for some 7th round rookie.

I could care less about James. my point is that we needed a vet corner like D. florence. and we need to draft a CB in the first round. that would have improved the secondary by a bunch. now we are sitting here with only Newman. and 8 game a year overrated A. Henry. what who else? Nate freaking Jones.are you kidding me?

 

[parchy]

I think it's stupid to be worried about CB until the team actually makes some moves. If after the draft the roster still looks like crap back there, then complain.

Although that still doesn't fix that unfortunate Roy Williams issue.

 

[cowboyrock]

I think it's stupid to be worried about CB until the team actually makes some moves. If after the draft the roster still looks like crap back there, then complain.

Although that still doesn't fix that unfortunate Roy Williams issue.

that's like building a stormceller after the tornado has destroyed your home. the draft will not solve all our secondary problems. i said this last year and got these same responses. and look how it all turned out.

 

[Bleu Star]

Thank goodness wed have a GM that doesn't jump the gun and exercises patience in going about spending his money. Corner won't be an issue next season. Relax. Take a pill.

 

[Muhast]

Oh, they may have more upside. I don't doubt that. But they won't be nearly as polished for the pro game as Reeves was last season. Not nearly. It is a rare corner who can come in and excel in their rookie outing in the NFL. Hell, it took Trufant a couple of seasons to get his act together in this league, and he's got more talent than anyone we'll be able to grab at #22 (or 28).

And you're also assuming that any rookie corner we get won't bust, though aside from quarterback that position has the highest bust-rate in the league. And frankly, I'm not all that impressed with this year's corner crop. I don't see that as a standout position in any way for this draft. There are a few nice prospects (all of whom just MAY be gone before we pick), but no surefire pro-bowlers by any means -- and especially not all the way down to 22.

Reeves has limited upside, sure. But he'd been in our system for a while, had adjusted to the pro game, knew the schemes and had the athleticism to make it work. I cannot even begin to comfortably say that about any corner we'd have a shot at in this draft. Again, we were 13-3 with Reeves as the starter for 13 of those games, and like 12 of the wins. He's not going to be as easy to replace as you seem to think, in my opinion.


It certainly appears to be a step back to me...

:gassy1:

if by "he knew the system" you mean played 10 yards off the ball and waited til they completed the ball to make a play then yes he def knew the system

 

[skinsscalper]

William james did a good job for philly while shepard was hurt. philly had a good secondary, and still went out and got the top CB. thats why they will be much improved. they are spending money where it counts. on defense.

That's neat, but what has Philly done to address their REAL needs (WR)? "Spending money where it counts"? You can't possibly be dumb enough to look at what Philly really needs and to say that the Samuel money was best spent.

You and edunce should form a bowling team.

 

[parchy]

that's like building a stormceller after the tornado has destroyed your home. the draft will not solve all our secondary problems. i said this last year and got these same responses. and look how it all turned out.

The signing period isn't over yet, either. I'm not denying that there are issues back there, but none of us have any idea how it will look when camp opens. We might well have a lot to complain about then, but you don't really know how that'll pan out. There were three first-round corners that played significantly last year... who's to say we won't have two?

 

[big dog cowboy]

Thank goodness wed have a GM that doesn't jump the gun and exercises patience in going about spending his money. Corner won't be an issue next season. Relax. Take a pill.

I thought that a year ago also.

Then Glenn gets cut and we rely on Reeves to step up. Oops.