Anyone notice the refs

[ghst187]

Okay, here's the video (because I knew it'd be an issue today). After 2 steps, I slow the video down. 3rd step is the left shin. The 4th step is the right foot dragging on the ground, all as Diggs touches him in the back. The ball only starts coming out after the foot drag. That's 4 limbs on the ground and a touch by the defender, which is down by contact. If Diggs doesn't touch him then it IS a fumble.

I thought it was either a fumble or an incompletion…seems silly that he didn’t have to complete the catch which I thought was a big impetus for the rule changes

 

[Fritsch_the_cat]

There was a flag on the first play of the game. I thought, oh man, here we go, it's going to be one of those games, but was pleasantly surprised it was well officiated.

 

[Jake]

We have been watching the refs and complaining about being hosed constantly by them. Did anyone see any plays yesterday that raised a brow.

And I saw a few holds on our Defensive front 4 not called..

Not all of us complain about being "hosed constantly". I'll wager if you looked as closely at our offensive line as you do the opponent, you'd notice a few holds not called as well.

Every message board has fans who think the refs are out to get their team and will gladly point at something to prove they're right. They can't all be right, but they could all be wrong.

 

[glimmerman]

Ball is moving before shin touches an from this angle, he hasn't been touched yet.

I didn’t see him get touched. They can say Diggs left hand touched him while he was going down. But no clear video of that..

 

[DUO_CORE]

Here's a back angle that shows you how early Diggs touched him. Diggs touches even before the shin comes down so it's dead ball at that spot. The ball is clearly NOT out of the grip of the receiver as the shin touches.

This one affirms down by contact for me.

 

[glimmerman]

Not all of us complain about being "hosed constantly". I'll wager if you looked as closely at our offensive line as you do the opponent, you'd notice a few holds not called as well.

Every message board has fans who think the refs are out to get their team and will gladly point at something to prove they're right. They can't all be right, but they could all be wrong.

Started the thread because a lot of fans here have seen some bad and non calls. Opened it so they can discuss. If you don’t like it or don’t think there was bad or non calls against us then there are plenty of other threads. These calls happen to every team and I am sure there are threads like this on those boards to..

 

[glimmerman]

Here's a back angle that shows you how early Diggs touched him. Diggs touches even before the shin comes down so it's dead ball at that spot. The ball is clearly NOT out of the grip of the receiver as the shin touches.

Yep he touched him. Didn’t see this angle. A shame the basic rule wasn’t in place for Dez..

 

[cowboyec]

But were you talking about the catch and the obvious football move then the fumble like the other game or the one like the Dez catch..

im talking about the one in the video in this thread from yesterdays game vs the giants that in my opinion shows the ball come out before his shin hits the ground.
to me it looks like a fumble.
to me.
my opinion.

we've already established Dez caught it.

im refering to yesterdays game.

 

[cowboyec]

Here's a back angle that shows you how early Diggs touched him. Diggs touches even before the shin comes down so it's dead ball at that spot. The ball is clearly NOT out of the grip of the receiver as the shin touches.

it is from the first angle.

 

[glimmerman]

im talking about the one in the video in this thread from yesterdays game vs the giants that in my opinion shows the ball come out before his shin hits the ground.
to me it looks like a fumble.
to me.
my opinion.

we've already established Dez caught it.

im refering to yesterdays game.

Ok. I was talking about the one that resembled the play from a few games back where the receiver catches the ball and takes steps and turns up field and made a move and the ball gets punched out and we recover. Then they call it a incomplete pass.

 

[cowboyec]

over all i had no complaints from our game with the refs.
they didnt impact the game like the turkey day disaster.

 

[fivetwos]

The PI penalty on Baltimore when it wasn't anything even close, and neither was the game thereafter was the worst thing I saw.

The offensive holding GB routinely gets away with is expected, and why I don't want any part of them in the playoffs.

 

[MarcusRock]

The ball didn’t come out until after the hand went to the ground. Thought the ground couldn’t cause a fumble??

It can't if you've been touched. If you haven't been touched then it's the same as if you never fell and can get back up and run. You lose the ball in that scenario and it's a fumble because you're not down unless you choose to stay down and "give yourself up." So it's the same as running with the ball and losing it because you're not down.

 

[MarcusRock]

I thought it was either a fumble or an incompletion…seems silly that he didn’t have to complete the catch which I thought was a big impetus for the rule changes

Once he got the additional shin down (he'd already taken 2 steps and with control) it IS a completed catch. With Diggs touching him, he's down at the spot where the shin comes down and nothing that takes place after that matters, including the ball coming out. Under the old catch rule that would have been incomplete because then he had to maintain control after contacting the ground. But the relaxing of the going to the ground precedence and "additional step" add-in to the rule is what makes this a catch now.

 

[MarcusRock]

it is from the first angle.

This back angle is the same time and place as the first angle and is proof the ball wasn't coming out at that point. What you and another saw was the ball tilting as it was being tucked under the complete control of the receiver while getting 4 limbs on the ground. You thought the ball was coming out at that point. It wasn't. That's why it was a catch and down at the spot of the 3rd limb, but he got a 4th in for good measure.

 

[cowboyec]

This back angle is the same time and place as the first angle and is proof the ball wasn't coming out at that point. What you and another saw was the ball tilting as it was being tucked under the complete control of the receiver while getting 4 limbs on the ground. You thought the ball was coming out at that point. It wasn't. That's why it was a catch and down at the spot of the 3rd limb, but he got a 4th in for good measure.

im just glad we got the w.
10-4.
all that matters.
respect the time you put into the vids tho.
i'd agree with you if it was a cowboys receiver.

 

[Clove]

We have been watching the refs and complaining about being hosed constantly by them. Did anyone see any plays yesterday that raised a brow.

I saw another catch, football move and fumble. And the same Dez catch no catch called a catch yesterday. I guess they changed the rule after they hosed us in the playoffs. The letter of the rule is apparently now if he is contacted by the defender he no longer has to control the ball all the way through.. And I saw a few holds on our Defensive front 4 not called..

The refs were 1st class yesterday, IMO. That same catch that Diggs made in the endzone, they gave that same catch to another NY player later on. Consistency.

 

[Beaker42]

it is from the first angle.

What is - the ball? If so, no it isn’t. Left shin down after Diggs touched him and ball still in his grip. Not a fumble.

 

[ghst187]

Once he got the additional shin down (he'd already taken 2 steps and with control) it IS a completed catch. With Diggs touching him, he's down at the spot where the shin comes down and nothing that takes place after that matters, including the ball coming out. Under the old catch rule that would have been incomplete because then he had to maintain control after contacting the ground. But the relaxing of the going to the ground precedence and "additional step" add-in to the rule is what makes this a catch now.

It didn’t look to me like he had control or he was losing control at that time too which is why I thought it might be ruled Incomplete

 

[KJJ]

We have been watching the refs and complaining about being hosed constantly by them. Did anyone see any plays yesterday that raised a brow.

I saw another catch, football move and fumble. And the same Dez catch no catch called a catch yesterday.

Where have you been? They changed the catch rule a few years ago. Once a receiver makes a football move they no longer have to hang onto the ball through the contact of the ground. Dez’s catch in Green Bay would be a catch today.