Anyone read this article on Jones better an Ramsey?

[btcutter]

Makes for interesting discussion for sure.
I do hesitate drafting Ramsey to play CB if he's not even the best CB prospect.

http://insidethestar.com/dallas-cowboys-draft-player-byron-jones-2-0/

 

[stilltheguru88]

Byron isn't a 4.3 guy and Ramsey is better. Film don't lie

 

[dools]

Byron isn't a 4.3 guy and Ramsey is better. Film don't lie

Uh yes he is.

 

[NEODOG]

Tell you what...... I'll roll with the chances if they take Ramsey

Jones & Ramsey & MO & O-scan sounds damn good to me.... Throw in Killibrew in 4th

 

[Jake0]

What I really want to know is what the plan is if we draft Ramsey. Lots of chatter that Jones is surely going to safety and staying there. Lots of chatter saying Ramsey would be a mediocre CB but amazing safety. I think run defense would suffer if one of em played SS. Great for nickel/dime obviously. Would someone sit out on most 1st and 2nd downs? Jones still plays both CB and S rather than focusing on one position? Our CB depth right now is complete trash and if we move Jones back to CB then our safety depth is even worse.

 

[bsheeern]

Byron isn't a 4.3 guy and Ramsey is better. Film don't lie

Byron Jones
Jalen Ramsey
Height:
6’1″
6’1″
Weight:
199 lbs.
209 lbs.
Arm Length:
32″
33 3/8″
Hands:
10″
9 1/2″
40 yard dash:
4.36 (pro day)
4.41
Bench Press:
18 reps (pro day)
14 reps
Vertical Jump:
44 1/2″
41 1/2″
Broad Jump:
12’3″
11’3″
3 Cone Drill:
6.78
6.94
20 Yard Shuffle:
3.94
4.18
60 Yard Shuffle:
10.98
11.10​

 

[Avery]

You'd play Ramsey at S along with Jones. Carr/Scandrick command the outside.

I really wish there was an elite DT in this group, but because of how much the depth the position has with really good players, you should be able to snag someone at #34.

 

[btcutter]

Question for me is that do we need to devote two first rounds picks in S positions? Shouldn't 1 be enough and get another guy in 2nd or 3rd round to complement Jones?
If Ramsey isn't even the top rated CB then why is he worth the 4th pick? Wouldn't it may more sense to take a top rated CB to pair with Jones at S?

 

[JohnsKey19]

That tandem would easily be the most talented and athletic duo the team has ever put together at S. If both played to their potential, it would be fun to watch.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Ramsey is a better prospect because of the amount of tape he had at FSU and was playing at a higher level of competition. I'm a big fan of Byron Jones and Byron may end up a better player than Ramsey in the end. But as a prospect, it's ridiculous to assume that Byron was better than Ramsey is now.







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[DFWJC]

............

 

[Cowboys22]

You don't use the #27 and the #4 pick in back to back years on safeties, period. You can do it for CBs. They have too many other pressing needs and a solid safety could be had in the middle rounds.

 

[JohnsKey19]

You don't use the #27 and the #4 pick in back to back years on safeties, period. You can do it for CBs. They have too many other pressing needs and a solid safety could be had in the middle rounds.

I agree. But the either player can also play CB. So if it happens, this will be the team's justification.

 

[DeaconMoss]

You don't use the #27 and the #4 pick in back to back years on safeties, period. You can do it for CBs. They have too many other pressing needs and a solid safety could be had in the middle rounds.

State you true thoughts. Which QB do you want?

 

[Cowboys22]

I agree. But the either player can also play CB. So if it happens, this will be the team's justification.

If your plan if for one to be a starting CB, then no problem but both seem better its for safety. That's my issue. Trade down for a true CB instead of hoping one of them can play CB would be my preferred route.

 

[The Natural]

In the past someone brought up the fact that Jones probably has long strides but he looks no where near as fast or explosive game speed as his numbers suggest.

 

[Cowboys22]

State you true thoughts. Which QB do you want?

I don't care who they pick as long as that player will come in and help the team win. If they take one of the top 2 QBs, I'd be fine and view it as a smart long term investment recognizing the rarity of drafting in the top 5. If they go another direction, I hope they make a smart choice and that player contributes from day one and becomes a core Cowboy for the next 12 years. I just don't think it would be smart to use back to back 1st rounders on tweener DBs that both might end up a safety. That's a lot of draft capital put into a position that doesn't typically warrant that type of investment and if they both do end up at safety, I don't think you will be able to keep both when their contracts run out in back to back years.

 

[Alexander]

That tandem would easily be the most talented and athletic duo the team has ever put together at S. If both played to their potential, it would be fun to watch.

In theory.

I can't think of a case where a team fielded a deep secondary where the two safeties were basically the same player, with similar skillsets.

Might be fun to watch for a while until the novelty wears off and opposing OCs exploit it.

Besides, I think the idea is to play Ramsey at CB. A mistake IMO, but there you go.

 

[kazzd58]

I like Ramseys attitude that comes with his play .... im sure he can get O'dell to spark a personal foul or 2 in a game get kicked out if physical with him at least that's how Im thinking if we draft him put him on o?dell all game beat him up on line of scrimmage and lets see..

Confidence he has it that's for sure just thinking hoping out loud

 

[Alexander]

You don't use the #27 and the #4 pick in back to back years on safeties, period. You can do it for CBs.

You can, but you would be incredibly short sighted.