Anyone think Deion was overrated

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I watch the replay of the 91 Falcon game and he's out there giving up catches. When NFLN replayed the Falcon-49er game from that era John Taylor beat him for a 30 yard td. Didn't Irvin catch 14 balls against SF in the playoff game we lost? Im beginning to think that Deion was a good cover corner but not as good as people make him out top be. Remember, when Deion played from the early to late 90's, media wasn't out for blood like they are now. I know he had his issues with Tim Mccarver but today there are some blood sucking reporters out there and every time he would give up a pass they would light him up for it today. I would compare the treatment Chad Johnson gets.

Anyways, no biases what do you think? If you go and watch some old games the NFLN shows he wasn't as dominate as they made him out to be. I know he had his moments but Im thinking he wasn't as good as he was made to be. Again,Imnot saying I don't think he was an outstanding player but I think he's just a bit overrated.
 

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Nope, he wasn't overrated but he was human and all humans make mistakes, give up catches, and even give up TD's.
 

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He was definitely as good as they make him out to be. You know how many corners could stop Irvin? Hint: hardly anyone. Deion was the one corner that could do that.

You realize we aired the hell out of the ball when Irvin went for those 14 catches right? Didn't really have a choice since we were down so early.

Make no mistake about it, no one in the game today compares to Deion. Deion used to shut down an entire side of the field, and then when the opposing QB would have to take a chance, #21 would jump in front of the receiver and he was gone. There was no catching him.

Maybe as time as gone on people forget he wasn't a great tackler, but how great do you need to be at tackling if the ball is never thrown your way?

I'd go back and get ahold of some game tapes and not base your opinion off of 2 games.
 

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Ohh, I agree with the INT factor and the abilty to take it to the house but Im just saying I think he might of gave up a bit more than we think.
 

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No. Absolutely not. He's rated as the best cover corner of all time, and that's exactly what he is. Reasonable people can certainly criticize the manner in which he sometimes conducted himself, but the talent is undeniable.
 

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playmakers;3319570 said:
I watch the replay of the 91 Falcon game and he's out there giving up catches. When NFLN replayed the Falcon-49er game from that era John Taylor beat him for a 30 yard td. Didn't Irvin catch 14 balls against SF in the playoff game we lost? Im beginning to think that Deion was a good cover corner but not as good as people make him out top be. Remember, when Deion played from the early to late 90's, media wasn't out for blood like they are now. I know he had his issues with Tim Mccarver but today there are some blood sucking reporters out there and every time he would give up a pass they would light him up for it today. I would compare the treatment Chad Johnson gets.

Anyways, no biases what do you think? If you go and watch some old games the NFLN shows he wasn't as dominate as they made him out to be. I know he had his moments but Im thinking he wasn't as good as he was made to be. Again,Imnot saying I don't think he was an outstanding player but I think he's just a bit overrated.


I think you expected him to be perfect and he wasn't. he went up against some top notch players as you indicated. he allowed lots of freedom with your defense since you could leave him out there, double the other side and rush with 8.
 

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playmakers;3319583 said:
Ohh, I agree with the INT factor and the abilty to take it to the house but Im just saying I think he might of gave up a bit more than we think.

He really didn't give up much at all. You're citing 2 games, one where he gave up a touchdown and another where he was facing a HOF wide receiver whose team was trailing by 21 and they were just airing it out like crazy?

Like I said, I'd try to get a hold of some older games. There was no one like Deion. He obviously wasn't perfect, but there was no one as good as him. He's as close to a "shut down corner" as there ever was, and probably ever will be. Revis, Asomugha, etc. in the game today don't compare to Deion, not even close.
 

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Sanders was an awsome player without a doubt. Definately not overrated. I just did not care for his "me first" attitude.
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Plenty of people do. Not many of them work in the NFL though. Every CB gets beat, has a bad game, and even fails. Deion could make you pay for testing him more than any other CB I have ever seen. Just all of the sudden he was going the other way with the ball. I've seen entire games where QBs would not throw to his side of the field. Handicapping an Offense like that is not being over rated.
 

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Hostile;3319594 said:
Plenty of people do. Not many of them work in the NFL though. Every CB gets beat, has a bad game, and even fails. Deion could make you pay for testing him more than any other CB I have ever seen. Just all of the sudden he was going the other way with the ball. I've seen entire games where QBs would not throw to his side of the field. Handicapping an Offense like that is not being over rated.

I remember many games where they'd have the stat for Deion and how many times he was "thrown at" and it'd be 3rd or 4th quarter and Madden/Summerall are commenting how there's been 2 balls thrown his way, one was batted down and the other picked off.

He was unreal.
 

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playmakers;3319570 said:
I watch the replay of the 91 Falcon game and he's out there giving up catches. When NFLN replayed the Falcon-49er game from that era John Taylor beat him for a 30 yard td. Didn't Irvin catch 14 balls against SF in the playoff game we lost? Im beginning to think that Deion was a good cover corner but not as good as people make him out top be. Remember, when Deion played from the early to late 90's, media wasn't out for blood like they are now. I know he had his issues with Tim Mccarver but today there are some blood sucking reporters out there and every time he would give up a pass they would light him up for it today. I would compare the treatment Chad Johnson gets.

Anyways, no biases what do you think? If you go and watch some old games the NFLN shows he wasn't as dominate as they made him out to be. I know he had his moments but Im thinking he wasn't as good as he was made to be. Again,Imnot saying I don't think he was an outstanding player but I think he's just a bit overrated.

I think Deion Sanders is the best cover corner I have ever seen. Has he been beat on a play? of course he has but not often
 

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He was the best cover corner I have ever see play in the last 30+ years.

You can get tired of his act....his loud mouth....but when it was game time....QB's were scared to throw it his way.

That type of talent only comes by once in awhile.......Prime time was a special player
 

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Jay;3319597 said:
I remember many games where they'd have the stat for Deion and how many times he was "thrown at" and it'd be 3rd or 4th quarter and Madden/Summerall are commenting how there's been 2 balls thrown his way, one was batted down and the other picked off.

He was unreal.
He was a freak.
 

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If all you have is old NFL network games then you have a very poor sample size. I'm guessing your too young to remember his career. During his "prime" you really could not throw to his side of the field. His recovery speed was unreal. He played in an era in which the WR's were still allowed to be physical and ...cough...push off. And he still shut them down.
 

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Two things:

1. He regularly shut down HALF of the field.
2. When opposing QB's opened that side of the field there was ALWAYS a good chance that Deion was taking it to the house.


Deion - Best corner of all time.
Champ and Revis are right there.
 

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good cover corner but a sissy (did not take on blockers and avoided tackles)-- I say he's overrated
 

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Little blub on Deion I got a kick out of:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=pearlman/080919&sportCat=nfl

"Neon Deion" helped, and hindered, the 'Boys
By Jeff Pearlman

Updated: September 19, 2008, 12:14 PM ET

Editor's note: The following is an excerpt from Jeff Pearlman's new book "Boys Will Be Boys: The Glory Days and Party Nights of the Dallas Cowboys Dynasty," copyright 2008 by Jeff Pearlman. Reprinted with permission of HarperCollins.



He officially arrived on Sept. 28, 1995, a hobbled man with a healthy contract and the hope of a city resting upon his shoulders. Deion Sanders was not merely the football phenom who would save the Cowboys' porous pass defense (and, as he demanded, play a little receiver, too). No, he was the football phenom who would save the Cowboys.

Need to shut down Jerry Rice one on one? Deion Sanders.

Need a punt or kickoff returned for a touchdown? Deion Sanders.

Need an offensive threat to draw attention from Michael Irvin? Deion Sanders.

Though Sanders moved to Texas in late September, going so far as to purchase a $2.95 million home in the suburb of Plano, he came holding a black cane, his left ankle cocooned in a soft cast. In the month before his scheduled Oct. 29 debut against the Atlanta Falcons, Sanders planned on adjusting his family to a new location, rehabbing his injury and -- most important -- getting to know his teammates.

Were there any apprehension from the newest superstar on that first day, it evaporated quickly. As Sanders entered the team's locker room, offensive lineman Nate Newton, the Cowboys' resident jokester, pressed PLAY on the CD player and blasted the volume. A catchy beat filled the air. Players started dancing. And pointing. And laughing. It was a rap tune. Not just any rap tune.

Now playing: "Must be the Money"
Album: Prime Time
Year of Release: 1994
Label: Bust-It Records
Artist: Deion Sanders
Genre: Ear Melting

From a pair of 100-watt speakers on a table in the center of the room, Sanders began to sing/speak/croak:


Well all right
Yeah
You know ever since I turned pro in 1989
When I signed the dotted line
It was strange!
'Cause things change
For the better and for the worse
So I called my momma and she said "Baby,"
Must be the money …

Sanders could not stop chuckling. The Cowboy locker room felt like home.


Seemed like Deion Sanders was always showboating, didn't it?
"That was so funny," says Cory Fleming, the Cowboy wide receiver. "It was important Deion could laugh at himself, because Nate played that song every friggin' day for a month." Plastered throughout Sanders' new locker were 40 color Xerox copies of him interfering with Irvin in the '94 NFC Championship Game -- the play that, had a flag been thrown, could have changed the outcome. "In big red letters Mike wrote INTERFERENCE on each one," says Jim Schwantz, a linebacker. "Just hilarious."
On one of his earlier days with the team, Sanders ran into Alundis Brice, who just so happened to wear uniform No. 21, Sanders' digits of choice, at a Dallas-based BMW dealer. The rookie defensive back had long wanted to own a BMW 325i, and he was here to make it a reality. "Brice, what are you doing?" asked Sanders.

"I'm gonna buy this car tomorrow," he said. "But I first have to call my agent and set it up."

"It's your first sports car?" asked Sanders.

"Yup."

"Are you gonna pay cash for it?" Sanders asked.

"Yup."

Sanders nodded and drove off.

The next morning, Brice reported to Valley Ranch and was dismayed to spot his dream car -- a brand new metallic blue 325i with all the trimmings -- parked in the players' lot. "I can't believe this," he thought. "Somebody bought my car."

When he approached his locker, Brice noticed the keys on his stool alongside a note from Sanders. It read: NOW GIVE ME MY DAMN JERSEY!

"I wore numbers 22 and 38 in college (at the University of Mississippi), but they gave me 21 with the Cowboys," Brice says. "I had no emotional attachment to it. So when I read that note, I took my jersey down, hung it in his locker and got a new number. I'll never forget him doing that."

With such acts of grace and kindness, it took Sanders little time to develop a following in the Cowboys clubhouse. Like any American office space, Dallas had its cliques, usually divided along lines of race and age. White veterans like Aikman, Daryl Johnston and Jay Novacek could be found in one pocket. The black defensive linemen, headed by Haley, were in another. Now, Sanders was fronting a new group -- the younger defensive players who envied both his game and his lifestyle.

This is where the problems began.

For all his Jim Thorpe-esque skills, Sanders was sleeping-dog lazy. In practices, he went all-out every third or fourth play and refused to wear shoulder pads because, he would say, "I'm not gonna tackle anyone anyway." In meeting rooms, he was known to doodle and doze off. Told early on that Cowboys who refused to participate in the team's weight training regimen would be fined, Sanders dramatically whipped out his checkbook and jotted down a five-digit figure.

When Mike Woicik, the team's gruff strength and conditioning coach, complained about Sanders' indifference, Switzer sided with his new star. "We're talking about Deion Sanders here," Switzer told Woicik. "If he doesn't want to do something, he doesn't have to."

Woicik was speechless. Credited by many players as a key to the back-to-back Super Bowls, Woicik was a no-nonsense taskmaster who demanded maximum effort. "For Mike, anything short of a funeral was an unacceptable excuse to miss a session," says Kevin Smith. "Mike had the personality of a lamp, but if you had to bench press he knew exactly how many you were supposed to do. When you came in and you didn't do it, he'd say, 'You were out f-----' around last night. You must've been drinking last night. You must have been drinking two nights ago.' He'd be pissed. He wouldn't speak to you for a week. If you tested on the bench and you didn't make it, he wouldn't say a word to you for a whole week until you came in and did it. That's how he was. Your goals were his goals."

Throughout the locker room, Woicik was as respected as any Cowboy coach or official. And Deion Sanders had the nerve to treat him … like this?

Who were the Dallas Cowboys becoming?

"I still remember Deion's first team meeting," says Clayton Holmes, the veteran cornerback. "We were so fundamental about film. The way we studied it was critical. Well, Deion comes in, puts his feet up on a table and doesn't even watch." When Dave Campo, the Cowboys new defensive coordinator, asked the $35 million man to break down a play, Sanders let out a sly laugh. "Hey, Coach," he said, pointing toward the screen, "I got that dude right there. Wherever he goes I go. All that Cover Two stuff you're talking about -- y'all work that out."


Deion Sanders and Michael Irvin -- quite a pair.
Seeing that the Cowboys' defensive back meetings lasted significantly longer than they had in Atlanta or San Francisco, Sanders took a page out of the Barry Bonds Playbook by investing in a black leather executive's chair and rolling it into the conference room. As his peers sat in standard metal folding chairs, Sanders lounged in comfort. "Guys thought that was kind of funny," says Schwantz. "Maybe not right -- but funny."

Although most veterans accepted Sanders' ego and indifference in exchange for the promise of otherworldly play, Aikman -- who had offered to defer part of his salary to help Dallas afford the defensive back -- was disgusted. It was bad enough Switzer approached discipline as if he were the proprietor of the Moonlite Bunny Ranch. Now here was "Neon Deion," teaching via example that image is everything and practice is overrated. From across the locker room, the quarterback would watch Sanders' postgame dressing ritual and cringe. As Jeff Rude of the Dallas Morning News described it: "Most people slip on a shirt when they get dressed. Deion puts on a jewelry store."

Around his neck, Sanders placed two thick gold chains with dangling diamond-studded 21s. He wore a diamond-studded Rolex watch, two gold diamond bracelets and matching diamond horseshoe earrings.

"There was a division between Deion and Troy that began to bubble over," says Kevin Smith. "We called it 'Double Doors' at Valley Ranch. Once we walked through those double doors it was football. We could laugh and joke, but it was all about football. To Aikman, that was sacred.

"When Deion came in, something changed for the worse. Guys who should have been studying football on a Wednesday at 12 o'clock were focused on other things. Deion was such a freaky athlete that he could shake one leg and be ready to cover anyone. But the guys following his lead weren't nearly as talented. You know what they say about dogs that chase cars -- they don't live long."

One of Sanders' most devoted disciples was Sherman Williams, the rookie running back with much talent but zero work ethic. "Deion had Sherman's ear 100 percent," says Kevin Smith. "He was a rookie who'd show up around 10 o'clock, 11 o'clock in the morning, smelling like weed and rolling with a posse. Guys like Sherman needed to be reminded of the importance of hard work. That did not come from Deion."

"You led by example," adds Dale Hellestrae, the offensive lineman. "And his example wasn't very good."

Sanders made his debut on Oct. 29, when the Cowboys thumped the Falcons, 2813, in Atlanta. The stars of the game were (ho-hum) Emmitt Smith (26 carries, 167 yards), Irvin (10 receptions, 135 yards) and Aikman (19 of 25, 198 yards, two touchdowns), yet the spotlight belonged to Prime Time. It was his moment in the sun. His day. In 44 defensive sets, Falcons quarterback Jeff George threw his way twice. The first time, receiver Bert Emanuel beat Sanders for an 11-yard gain. The second, Sanders batted down the ball.

Though he talked as if he were the Muhammad Ali of the gridiron, Sanders' play in 1995 was merely OK. In nine games as a defensive back, Sanders intercepted two passes and contributed a paltry 22 tackles (that's a robust $318,182 per tackle).

"Personally," says one Cowboy, "I thought Kevin Smith was a better player." Whereas the other primary cornerbacks -- Smith, Larry Brown and Clayton Holmes -- embraced contact, Sanders was a feather duster. When he tackled, it was with the gusto of a 90-year-old woman.

"One time a running back ran a sweep toward him, and Deion dove half-hearted into the turf," says Case. "We're watching film the next day, razzing him pretty good. As serious as could be, he said, 'I saw that dude coming and I had to make a business decision.'"



Jeff Pearlman is a former Sports Illustrated senior writer, and a regular contributor to Page 2. His previous book was "Love Me, Hate Me: Barry Bonds and the Making of an Antihero.". You can reach him at anngold22@gmail.com.
 

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I'm not too young to remember him. He was one of my fav Cowboys when we got him in 95. I too thought that he was "Mr. shutdown," but after seeing some old games on NFLN I seen him get beat a few times. That's what made me ask this question. Im not saying Im right but thats why I think we have these forums for things like this.
 

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He was great, but you're right about one thing: People remember that he never gave up a catch ever, and that isn't reality.

It's kind of like how when this team wins by 10 and people act like it was a disaster, comparing it to those great 90s teams. People remember those teams blowing out every team by 30 and never sweating a thing, but that's not the way it really was.
 

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I didnt care for a lot of his persona, but i definitely wouldnt say overated. As someone mentioned his recovery speed was unreal.

I still remember a play where Rice beat him deep down the middle and had a few steps on him, Deion looked back and saw the ball being thrown, he ended up catching him and broke up the play. This was Jerry Rice on the 49ers still in his prime.
 
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