Anything on Chuma Edoga?

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-If you listen to the dedicated Cowboys reporter for the Athletic, Jon Machota...no backups on o-line have looked good.

-If you listen to Jeff Cavanaugh OLine depth is easily worst part of this roster

-If you merely look at the experience (e.g. lack thereof) and poor pedigree of all OL backups...it's downright scary.
Yeah, kind of what I have got. No one is inspiring great confidence. Farniok just was put back to C exclusively. Have barely heard Waletzko's name. Edoga probably has been the best of the reserves. Bass has not made a splash and have only heard one or two good things about Richard's. We need Martin back and good health all year.
 

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Yeah, kind of what I have got. No one is inspiring great confidence. Farniok just was put back to C exclusively. Have barely heard Waletzko's name. Edoga probably has been the best of the reserves. Bass has not made a splash and have only heard one or two good things about Richard's. We need Martin back and good health all year.
Starting to realize why Philbin was fired.
 

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-If you listen to the dedicated Cowboys reporter for the Athletic, Jon Machota...no backups on o-line have looked good.

-If you listen to Jeff Cavanaugh OLine depth is easily worst part of this roster

-If you merely look at the experience (e.g. lack thereof) and poor pedigree of all OL backups...it's downright scary.
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-If you listen to the dedicated Cowboys reporter for the Athletic, Jon Machota...no backups on o-line have looked good.

-If you listen to Jeff Cavanaugh OLine depth is easily worst part of this roster

-If you merely look at the experience (e.g. lack thereof) and poor pedigree of all OL backups...it's downright scary.
I have no opinion on the first two because I don't know what they are saying but on the topic in general I totally agree. Every year this board and social media are full of comments assuming these young OL who have done nothing will step in and be quality NFL players. I'm not talking about picks like Tyler, I'm talking about UDFAs and late draft picks. The comments I read about Waletzko alone this offseason (just like Ball last year and 2 of the UDFA guys this year) were insane almost as if it's a sure thing he will be good. The guy played 1 offensive snap last year and was injured to boot. Now, I'm not saying they won't be good because they very well could be, but you can't assume it until you see it and you can't build a roster assuming they will be when you have our OL injury/hold out issues and may need 2 or 3 guys to step up.
 

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Yeah they’ve been sticking him at T a lot more than I thought since his only competent NFL film is as a LG and we don’t have clear depth there.

Seems strange to me but they generally have a good handle on the OL in the McCarthy era.
Maybe it's strange to you because they're not tipping their hand they're playing guys in flex positions all training camp and whenever the regular season starts it's gonna be a different lineup for the depth chart that's serious I don't know why people don't understand this they're literally purposely using guys all over the line out of spots they normally wouldn't play so they get a little bit of a feel for it I think Walletzgo is the most likely swing T IMO
 

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-If you listen to the dedicated Cowboys reporter for the Athletic, Jon Machota...no backups on o-line have looked good.

-If you listen to Jeff Cavanaugh OLine depth is easily worst part of this roster

-If you merely look at the experience (e.g. lack thereof) and poor pedigree of all OL backups...it's downright scary.
If you listen to anybody's opinion you might want to refer back to last offseason, when both this place, the social media, all the sports channels were saying that the Dallas Cowboys were not going to be a very good team for 22 because we had no depth and it was the worst offseason in the history of the Dallas Cowboys and somehow all that depth that they brought in actually worked out pretty damn well..

Do we need to do this every offseason make wild guesses and listen to every report coming out from everywhere when they're literally experimenting all across the line with players purposely playing out of position but whenever the actual season starts there's going to be a whole different lineup for the depth as far as each position goes..

just like people are talking about this guy right now chuma, he is not going to play much tackle, he'll play inside Wally is probably going to be the swing tackle.. They literally are purposely doing the flex thing with players all playing out of position just to get some experience there and this is what you get to see in practice because this is what they allow you to film and what they allow out but whenever they start closing practices to start putting in game plans, we will not see any of those because it will have real lineups and real strategies with guys you know practicing on how to pass guys off , blocking schemes, pulling...​
you're not going to see a lot of any of that what coming out of training camp. Wait till they get back to Dallas there's going to be less and less of these practice videos or reports coming out of anywhere because they're going to start getting ready for game one.​

Again do I need to go pull up everyone here who said we had a historically bad offseason didn't have enough depth and somehow made it to the second round of the playoffs with a sad team apparently, we had one of the worst rosters in the history of football but won 12 games and made the 2nd round?? :facepalm:
 

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Maybe it's strange to you because they're not tipping their hand they're playing guys in flex positions all training camp and whenever the regular season starts it's gonna be a different lineup for the depth chart that's serious I don't know why people don't understand this they're literally purposely using guys all over the line out of spots they normally wouldn't play so they get a little bit of a feel for it I think Walletzgo is the most likely swing T IMO
It’s not hard to understand. Edoga had been a bad T his whole career. He literally only stuck around the league because he was moved to guard.

The dude is not a capable T no matter how much postion flex a team wants. His only good NFL tape is literally as a G. The fact that most of his work has been at T is strange no matter how you slice it.

Why not let him keep improving as a G, it’s not like we have loads of depth there.

They just announced that Farniok will work exclusively at C now and G was not suited for him. So I guess they’re getting to the point of camp where they’re done experimenting and willing to let guys stick where they actually are good.

We’ll see how Saturday goes
 

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If you listen to anybody's opinion you might want to refer back to last offseason, when both this place, the social media, all the sports channels were saying that the Dallas Cowboys were not going to be a very good team for 22 because we had no depth and it was the worst offseason in the history of the Dallas Cowboys and somehow all that depth that they brought in actually worked out pretty damn well..

Do we need to do this every offseason make wild guesses and listen to every report coming out from everywhere when they're literally experimenting all across the line with players purposely playing out of position but whenever the actual season starts there's going to be a whole different lineup for the depth as far as each position goes..

just like people are talking about this guy right now chuma, he is not going to play much tackle, he'll play inside Wally is probably going to be the swing tackle.. They literally are purposely doing the flex thing with players all playing out of position just to get some experience there and this is what you get to see in practice because this is what they allow you to film and what they allow out but whenever they start closing practices to start putting in game plans, we will not see any of those because it will have real lineups and real strategies with guys you know practicing on how to pass guys off , blocking schemes, pulling...​
you're not going to see a lot of any of that what coming out of training camp. Wait till they get back to Dallas there's going to be less and less of these practice videos or reports coming out of anywhere because they're going to start getting ready for game one.​

Again do I need to go pull up everyone here who said we had a historically bad offseason didn't have enough depth and somehow made it to the second round of the playoffs with a sad team apparently, we had one of the worst rosters in the history of football but won 12 games and made the 2nd round?? :facepalm:
Some of it was because it was a hot topic with the Cowboys focusing on offensive line in the draft, the same as they did defensive tackle this year.

Offensive line wasn’t horrible, but definitely lost some impact last year as guys went down. Defense on the other hand got better, and improved on some bad run stopping. Having to suddenly sign 40 year old Jason Peters says it all on the depth last year.

I think you have to give the team the benefit of the doubt because it’s been a while since we’ve had a screwed up line, but we also had three solid first round picks manning it for a decade. Easy to forget some of those on and off struggles in late 90’s to early 00’s.
 

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I think until someone else steps up (or is brought in) he is the first OL off the bench when Tyron or someone else goes down. We can hope all we want for these young guys to step up but right now it’s based on nothing but hope some positive words on Twitter. IMO this team needs to add an OL before week 1 or we will regret it at some point.
It seems many of us, including me, were wrong. Edoga seems to be working exclusively at Tackle, and is likely the Cowboys swing tackle in 2023.

Farniok seems to have flopped at Guard, and will be the backup center. It remains to be seen which player will win the backup guard position, but they sure are giving Ball every opportunity to win the position. It appears the Cowboys’ coaching staff is much higher on Ball than the fans.
 

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It seems many of us, including me, were wrong. Edoga seems to be working exclusively at Tackle, and is likely the Cowboys swing tackle in 2023.

Farniok seems to have flopped at Guard, and will be the backup center. It remains to be seen which player will win the backup guard position, but they sure are giving Ball every opportunity to win the position. It appears the Cowboys’ coaching staff is much higher on Ball than the fans.
When I hear Brock Hoffman is getting first team reps at Guard it makes me more than a little nervous
 

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If you listen to anybody's opinion you might want to refer back to last offseason, when both this place, the social media, all the sports channels were saying that the Dallas Cowboys were not going to be a very good team for 22 because we had no depth and it was the worst offseason in the history of the Dallas Cowboys and somehow all that depth that they brought in actually worked out pretty damn well..
Last season we had McGovern and later added Peters. Maybe we still do something to address our depth, but haven't yet.

Last year after Steele went down...the Cowboys offense wasn't playoff caliber.
 

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It’s not hard to understand. Edoga had been a bad T his whole career. He literally only stuck around the league because he was moved to guard.

The dude is not a capable T no matter how much postion flex a team wants. His only good NFL tape is literally as a G. The fact that most of his work has been at T is strange no matter how you slice it.

Why not let him keep improving as a G, it’s not like we have loads of depth there.

They just announced that Farniok will work exclusively at C now and G was not suited for him. So I guess they’re getting to the point of camp where they’re done experimenting and willing to let guys stick where they actually are good.

We’ll see how Saturday goes
dont believe it, Farniok is the swing g/c ..ive seen him play, Mcgovern and he are about the same IMO. its ok though believe camp reports and all these negative reports.. Again, same as last year historically bad offseason look out, we're gonna have a bad year, yup those were camp reports last year..... :facepalm: :lmao: Newsflash they were WRONG
 

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Some of it was because it was a hot topic with the Cowboys focusing on offensive line in the draft, the same as they did defensive tackle this year.

Offensive line wasn’t horrible, but definitely lost some impact last year as guys went down. Defense on the other hand got better, and improved on some bad run stopping. Having to suddenly sign 40 year old Jason Peters says it all on the depth last year.

I think you have to give the team the benefit of the doubt because it’s been a while since we’ve had a screwed up line, but we also had three solid first round picks manning it for a decade. Easy to forget some of those on and off struggles in late 90’s to early 00’s.
It's a year to year league talking about the past and what it might be in the future is ridiculous let's line it up we've got a really good starting 5 if things start to have to be shuffled we'll find out but I find in real games lined up with real players you know having all the starters next to each other and losing one and plugging in just one backup usually you don't lose much as what you're seeing in training camp is a bunch of backups lined up next to each other playing as a group and it looks a lot worse..
 

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Last season we had McGovern and later added Peters. Maybe we still do something to address our depth, but haven't yet.

Last year after Steele went down...the Cowboys offense wasn't playoff caliber.
You know that's where fans need to just stop take a step back it literally was not just losing Terrence Steele. we also had issues along the line with left guard being unhealthy and they started rotating left guard, we didn't even have tyron Smith for the first 10 games literally this year I believe our offense is starting out way ahead of where it was last year. as well, we had TylerB go down he had Ding later in the year that seemed to affect him.

so we had a lot of moving pieces of course it's going to look worse when you have to make that many moves.. But let's do this let's leave last year in the rearview mirror and let's worry about how our backups look once we have to see them play.....​
it's ridiculous to say you think we don't have quality backups before you see them play in a real game lined up next to starters and not as a group of backups playing and training camp next to each other...​
You know it's also ridiculous you thinking that teams have two to three deep at every position and there's no drop off from #1 to #2...​
I mean how naive are some of the fanbase? Anytime you have your top players go down and you bring in a backup there's going to be a drop off, how big a drop off we don't know but when you have to start moving more than one piece then you have even bigger drop off, it gets diluted.​
I don't care how good a plan you have if you end up having multiple injuries along the same group as we did at cornerback last year, along the offensive line at times, we both lost zeke and Pollard in afew games, so that run game didn't look very good..it happens. I think we've done a a lot better job in the Mike McCarthy era of position flex and using backups to cover up problems than we did in the past in the past you don't make it to the second round with Jason Garrett having to cover up those type of injuries and using backups a lot last year and the year before. I'll trust they have a plan going into the season that looks far different from what fans are picturing.​

I prefer to be the one that allows the season to start, let them play, if a backup has to come in then we get to judge him next to other starters and I believe me it could be a lot different than what you're picturing.
 

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When I hear Brock Hoffman is getting first team reps at Guard it makes me more than a little nervous
why is that surprising that they're actually using their full complement of players that they brought into camp you know like 90 to give them reps and get them some practice I mean isn't that what training camp is doesn't Brock Hoffman deserve some training I mean it's called training do you not know what training means that means a lot of the dudes who don't need a lot of camp are not getting as many reps and the young kids and the first time on this team type players need the reps they're getting the reps. I mean if not for training camp and preseason how would these players ever get on the field? You guys are making a mountain out of a molehill with all this stuff yes it's training camp they're using multiple players in positions they're probably not going to see in the regular season they're trying them out everywhere..
 

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Last season we had McGovern and later added Peters. Maybe we still do something to address our depth, but haven't yet.
Last year after Steele went down...the Cowboys offense wasn't playoff caliber.
I guess I view Edoga sort of like Ty Nsekehe two years ago. I seem to remember him having significant game time a few outings and doing solid, but not asked to do more.

But I was hoping Edoga was the Jason Peters answer this year, a veteran who can go the distance if needed, either replacing Tyron or replacing Tyler when he replaces Tyron, but basically ready to go from day one.

To blueblood's point, I remember when Steele played his rookie season and he was no better than Ball, Farniok, and these other guys in camp thsi year, but he quickly rebounded and now looks to be long-term.

I hope some of these young guys on the team's second and third strings will do the same. Not looking for stop gaps, looking for legitimate talent to threaten starter jobs. They won't find many defenses in the NFL that give them better practice, that's for sure.
 

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You know that's where fans need to just stop take a step back it literally was not just losing Terrence Steele. we also had issues along the line with left guard being unhealthy and they started rotating left guard, we didn't even have tyron Smith for the first 10 games literally this year I believe our offense is starting out way ahead of where it was last year. as well, we had TylerB go down he had Ding later in the year that seemed to affect him.

so we had a lot of moving pieces of course it's going to look worse when you have to make that many moves.. But let's do this let's leave last year in the rearview mirror and let's worry about how our backups look once we have to see them play.....​
it's ridiculous to say you think we don't have quality backups before you see them play in a real game lined up next to starters and not as a group of backups playing and training camp next to each other...​
You know it's also ridiculous you thinking that teams have two to three deep at every position and there's no drop off from #1 to #2...​
I mean how naive are some of the fanbase? Anytime you have your top players go down and you bring in a backup there's going to be a drop off, how big a drop off we don't know but when you have to start moving more than one piece then you have even bigger drop off, it gets diluted.​
I don't care how good a plan you have if you end up having multiple injuries along the same group as we did at cornerback last year, along the offensive line at times, we both lost zeke and Pollard in afew games, so that run game didn't look very good..it happens. I think we've done a a lot better job in the Mike McCarthy era of position flex and using backups to cover up problems than we did in the past in the past you don't make it to the second round with Jason Garrett having to cover up those type of injuries and using backups a lot last year and the year before. I'll trust they have a plan going into the season that looks far different from what fans are picturing.​

I prefer to be the one that allows the season to start, let them play, if a backup has to come in then we get to judge him next to other starters and I believe me it could be a lot different than what you're picturing.
Here . . . Here . . . I concur
 

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Everyone is reporting that there is "nothing good" to report about anyone on the offensive line. I don't see how anyone can be excited about the offense. How are they going to run and pass in real games?
 

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dont believe it, Farniok is the swing g/c ..ive seen him play, Mcgovern and he are about the same IMO. its ok though believe camp reports and all these negative reports.. Again, same as last year historically bad offseason look out, we're gonna have a bad year, yup those were camp reports last year..... :facepalm: :lmao: Newsflash they were WRONG
It’s not camp fodder man it’s an actual announcement:
 
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