AOL Blog: Jimmy Johnson's Draft Chart Is Obsolete

[zrinkill]

Most people are able to blame Jerry for the failures he has had as a GM and give him credit for the success he has had as a GM .....

Most people .......

Then there are those who say he is to blame for all the blunders ....... yet just "stayed out of the way" during the success .....



I have never seen anyone give Jerry all the credit for the 3 Superbowls on this board ..... at the most I have seen him get a 50/50 split with Jimmy.

Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones was the greatest partnership in NFL history in my very biased opinion ...... and both failed without the other.

Hopefully Jerry has found some new partners with Ireland,Wade,and Garrett that will be as successful.

:starspin

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Jimmy have it modified.....

 

[superpunk]

Chances are there is NO link and NOBODY who actually believes Jerry is a one man show.

People just have to go to such extremes at times to fit their argument that they believe or would try to lead us to believe some things.

Ya don't say?

On another note, I'm a HUGE fan of the "You know what guys, I don't care about this enough anymore to go through my posts and find these people who I am leading my holy war against. I'm having a tea party with them later...we'll take pictures and everything. Get off my back" defense.

 

[COWBOYSNUM1]

I took them out because I always take them out. Images, gifs, etc - if I quote a post, I remove anything that would cause excess strain on another members computer, connection, or the server. I get crazy, I guess.

No, it's not.

This doesn't qualify as an answer to the "Where are the legions of people who claim that Jerry is a one man show" question. FWIW.

But when you take out smilies, it can sometimes be like leaving out a word. It can change the whole meaning of the post. I just don't think that a smily face or 2 is going to cause that much strain on other members computers, connection, or the server. Just Saying.

 

[superpunk]

But when you take out smilies, it can sometimes be like leaving out a word. It can change the whole meaning of the post. I just don't think that a smily face or 2 is going to cause that much strain on other members computers, connection, or the server. Just Saying.

Then again, if you're reading down through a thread, it's pretty easy to follow the conversation, and realise what the OP's intent was. I see your point, though. I never do it to intentionally twist someone's words - I definitely didn't in this instance.

I generally only take the animated ones out.

 

[ZeroClub]

Posted Apr 19th 2007 7:59AM by Michael David Smith
Filed under: Cowboys, NFL Draft

By now most NFL fans know about the chart teams use to determine whether to trade draft picks. Jimmy Johnson and his staff came up with the chart when he was coach and general manager of the Cowboys, and it was ingenious: It allowed the Cowboys to quantify something that had previously been mostly guesswork.

But times have changed, the league now has a salary cap, and I think the chart is obsolete. That chart, for instance, says the first pick in the draft is worth three times as much as the 16th pick. That might be true if we don't take the salary cap into consideration, but when you remember how much of a drain on the salary cap the first pick is (Mario Williams signed a six-year, $54 million contract), the first pick isn't worth nearly that much.

There are lots of reports that teams near the top want to trade down (especially the Lions), but that those teams can't find trading partners. That's a sign that NFL teams are starting to realize that trading up isn't worth the cost.

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If the above is correct, some team or teams have already revised / adjusted their draft charts to account for the salary cap.

 

[AsthmaField]

Johnson made the Cowboys the best team in the league because he made smart decisions to draft Hall of Fame players like Troy Aikman and Emmitt Smith. Knowing which players will develop into superstars is the real secret to draft success, and that requires the kind of acumen for evaluating talent that no chart can provide.
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None of this to you WG, I know you didn't write it:

I've said this time and time again. When Jimmy took over the Cowboys, he already had the #1 overall pick in the draft which turned into Troy Aikman. Just about anyone would've made that pick. A few people might have taken Tony Mandarich to block for H. Walker... but I'd bet most would've gone with the franchise QB. Particularly when Dallas really had no one at QB.

So, that "great" decision was one that pretty much anyone would've made.

Then, with the Emmitt pick... well, lets just say Jimmy was lucky neither one of the trades he tried prior to the one that landed him Emmitt worked out. First he had tried to trade up and land James Francis, LB out of Baylor. He would've been a DE for Jimmy. Then, when that trade didn't work out a few picks later he tried to trade up for Ray Agnew, DT out of NC State, I think. That trade fell through as well. Then, as he sat at pick #21 he saw Emmitt was sliding down the draft board and only then did he decide to trade up with Pittsburgh at #17 for Emmitt. Atlanta and NYFG picked at 18 and 19 I think and both needed backs, so Jimmy knew he had to go up to 17 to get Emmitt.

Still, if he would've been able to swing either the trade for Francis or the trade for Agnew, Emmitt likely would've been an Atlanta Falcon. Jimmy needed defense and he knew it... plus he had traded for Terrence Flagler that offseason and thought he could be his back. Still, he did know value when he saw it and made the move for Emmitt.

However, had Green Bay lost the last game of the year to Dallas in 1988, Jimmy Johnson would've had the second overall pick and Green Bay would've taken Aikman. Then, Jimmy likely would've done the same thing GB did and drafted Tony Mandarich.

Then, if one of his trades he tried in 1990 would've gone through, Dallas would've had Ray Agnew instead of Emmitt Smith.

For that matter, if Tom Landry and Tex Schram hadn't taken Irvin in that last draft of their's in 1988 we wouldn't have had Irvin either.

So, that easily Jimmy Johnson could've not had Aikman, Irvin and Smith. Little things mean a lot when you look back like that.

Johnson got very lucky that Dallas did lose to GB in the last game of 1988 giving him the #1 overall... and he got very lucky that he couldn't trade for Agnew or Frances and had to settle for Emmitt Smith... and he got lucky that he walked into a team that already had Irvin there.

Yeah... some smart decisions to draft hall of fame players.

 

[jackrussell]

 

[THUMPER]

First thing I noticed.

Why can't these guy get their facts right?

It's really not that hard.

It is if you don't know anything and don't do any research. Just write what you think or what you think you heard and it'll be OK. This is what passes for journalism today. :bang2:

 

[THUMPER]

None of this to you WG, I know you didn't write it:

I've said this time and time again. When Jimmy took over the Cowboys, he already had the #1 overall pick in the draft which turned into Troy Aikman. Just about anyone would've made that pick. A few people might have taken Tony Mandarich to block for H. Walker... but I'd bet most would've gone with the franchise QB. Particularly when Dallas really had no one at QB.

So, that "great" decision was one that pretty much anyone would've made.

Then, with the Emmitt pick... well, lets just say Jimmy was lucky neither one of the trades he tried prior to the one that landed him Emmitt worked out. First he had tried to trade up and land James Francis, LB out of Baylor. He would've been a DE for Jimmy. Then, when that trade didn't work out a few picks later he tried to trade up for Ray Agnew, DT out of NC State, I think. That trade fell through as well. Then, as he sat at pick #21 he saw Emmitt was sliding down the draft board and only then did he decide to trade up with Pittsburgh at #17 for Emmitt. Atlanta and NYFG picked at 18 and 19 I think and both needed backs, so Jimmy knew he had to go up to 17 to get Emmitt.

Still, if he would've been able to swing either the trade for Francis or the trade for Agnew, Emmitt likely would've been an Atlanta Falcon. Jimmy needed defense and he knew it... plus he had traded for Terrence Flagler that offseason and thought he could be his back. Still, he did know value when he saw it and made the move for Emmitt.

However, had Green Bay lost the last game of the year to Dallas in 1988, Jimmy Johnson would've had the second overall pick and Green Bay would've taken Aikman. Then, Jimmy likely would've done the same thing GB did and drafted Tony Mandarich.

Then, if one of his trades he tried in 1990 would've gone through, Dallas would've had Ray Agnew instead of Emmitt Smith.

For that matter, if Tom Landry and Tex Schram hadn't taken Irvin in that last draft of their's in 1988 we wouldn't have had Irvin either.

So, that easily Jimmy Johnson could've not had Aikman, Irvin and Smith. Little things mean a lot when you look back like that.

Johnson got very lucky that Dallas did lose to GB in the last game of 1988 giving him the #1 overall... and he got very lucky that he couldn't trade for Agnew or Frances and had to settle for Emmitt Smith... and he got lucky that he walked into a team that already had Irvin there.

Yeah... some smart decisions to draft hall of fame players.

Nice post **...

The Cowboys also already had Herschel Walker when Jimmy arrived which netted him a ton of picks as well.

Not to mention we had: Kevin Gogan, Mark Tuinei, Nate Newton, Jim Jeffcoat, Ken Norton, Bill Bates, and Mike Saxon. All guys who played for a number of years under Johnson.

 

[big dog cowboy]

It is if you don't know anything and don't do any research. Just write what you think or what you think you heard and it'll be OK. This is what passes for journalism today. :bang2:

The bar seems to have lowered over the years.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

Ya don't say?

On another note, I'm a HUGE fan of the "You know what guys, I don't care about this enough anymore to go through my posts and find these people who I am leading my holy war against. I'm having a tea party with them later...we'll take pictures and everything. Get off my back" defense.

Hey, hey, missed ya at the party.

 

[Royal Laegotti]

But when you take out smilies, it can sometimes be like leaving out a word. It can change the whole meaning of the post. I just don't think that a smily face or 2 is going to cause that much strain on other members computers, connection, or the server. Just Saying.

Yeah it totally crashed my whole system having those smilies on there. It was a pretty lame excuse.