Are Some Positions Not Worthy Of a First Round Pick?

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Besides Kickers of course.. Is it wise for a organization to spend a first on a RB, OG or Tight ends? Is it better to feel these needs rounds 3-7...
 
It really depends on how talented the player is. If the player is special and a can't miss prospect at one of the every down positions I'm taking him first round regardless of position.
 
Vinnie2u;5008767 said:
Besides Kickers of course.. Is it wise for a organization to spend a first on a RB, OG or Tight ends? Is it better to feel these needs rounds 3-7...

Guards are very rarely drafted high, but usually you don't get players that are as skilled as Warmack & Cooper, so if we can get our hands on one of those 2 then you have to make the pick, but I don't think either will fall to us.. In this day and age, you will find quality RB's later in the draft that can get the job done as long as they have a line in front of them.
 
Call me crazy but (unless a guy is a phenomenal talent) I wouldn't draft RB, WR, TE, OG, OC, S, CB, NT in the first round. Late first round is different. But an early or mid first rounder, I would only draft QB, LT, pass rushing DL or LB, or a play making LB in the 1st. Interior OL, skill position offensive players, secondary, and gap filling NTs can be had in later rounds.
 
JoeyBoy718;5009234 said:
Call me crazy but (unless a guy is a phenomenal talent) I wouldn't draft RB, WR, TE, OG, OC, S, CB, NT in the first round. Late first round is different. But an early or mid first rounder, I would only draft QB, LT, pass rushing DL or LB, or a play making LB in the 1st. Interior OL, skill position offensive players, secondary, and gap filling NTs can be had in later rounds.

You are crazy with regard to CBs. That is a premium position that can make or break a team.
 
TheRomoSexual;5009241 said:
You are crazy with regard to CBs. That is a premium position that can make or break a team.

I'd argue that the 49ers and Ravens didn't have an elite CB.
 
TheRomoSexual;5009241 said:
You are crazy with regard to CBs. That is a premium position that can make or break a team.

I just find it kinda overrated. I mean CB is important, but you rarely see a CB make an entire team dominant. Look what someone like JJ Watt or Von Miller can do for an entire defense. I don't think the CB position should be that coveted. There aren't even many elite CBs in the league.
 
Funny thing in hindsight if you look at the 2000 draft where kicker Sebastian Janikowski was a first rounder it wasn't that bad a pick... A lot of complete misses that year...
 
You can draft any position in this year draft in the first round except for kicker. It all depends where you are at in the first round. Kansas might night spend their first round pick on a qb but that doesn't mean they would not try to jump back into the first round to draft a qb in the late 20's.
 
"most any offensive lineman as I just don't see the need to spend big money on the big uglies, despite having played the position myself in College"


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IMO, no player is beyond picking in the first round. If your roster is basically stacked, or you only have a couple positions to fill, and where ever you're drafting, those areas of need, no one is really there in that spot, draft the best player and stock your roster with talented people.
 
I think you can draft any position high. It just depends on the player. One person was arguing that you shouldn't draft a WR in the first round. I'd counter with Calvin Johnson, AJ Green, Dez, Julio Jones, Fitgerald and I'm sure I'm missing more that are good. Its about the player and their talent/drive not the position of the player, with the exception of kicker. I'd probably lean toward saying that TE probably shouldn't be a 1st round pick, the guys picked in round 1 seem to fail more then a lot of the other 1st rounders.
 
JoeyBoy718;5009234 said:
Call me crazy but (unless a guy is a phenomenal talent) I wouldn't draft RB, WR, TE, OG, OC, S, CB, NT in the first round. Late first round is different. But an early or mid first rounder, I would only draft QB, LT, pass rushing DL or LB, or a play making LB in the 1st. Interior OL, skill position offensive players, secondary, and gap filling NTs can be had in later rounds.

The problem is everyone else in the league wants to do exactly the same thing because those are the premium positions. There are only a handful of guys that come out each year at the those positions that are worthy of a 1st round pick, and they all go quite high.

Obviously things change from year to year depending on the overall talent pool in the draft, but once you get out of the top 12-15 picks or so, IMO, the only goal should be to draft a player that's starter quality, regardless of position.

Anything beyond that is gravy.
 
Draft rounds really speak about compensation. When fans speak about wasting a first round pick, these are some of the same fans that are ready to trade out of the first round for extra picks because an extra second and fourth is twice as good as a first.

But in truth two lesser players do not always, or even mostly equate to one great player, as long as your team is taking a great player.

Montana was a third round pick. But if you put Montana on the Raider's team and expected him to win four championships with their go deep mentality, you'd find he was not all that. Smart player that was fairly accurate. But not the type of player that would challenge a team deep consistently.

So the notion of draft slotting is more about what the team gives up in compensation. And to a degree that also has to do with the position they play.

Position of need is a code word for some. But teams do draft for need in the realm of targeting players. For instance they may need a guard, tackle, safety or defensive lineman. They may draft in those areas, which is drafting for need, but they also triage those needs and will draft out of their primary need to get a better player than what is available at their primary need.

My personal belief is trading down does not always mean making the right decision. it depends on who is doing the picking.

One might suggest if it is Bill Belichek, then trading down is a pretty solid deal.

There are other GMs that trading down is just getting an extra helping of turd.
 

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