Are we better off now than with Bill?

[justbob]

Well said ----Let the cooking begin

 

[Cbz40]

A mixed bag.

I think Bill may have instilled a solid work ethic into the team... but his management style left something to be desired.

I believe there will be some positive "bounce-back" for the team in 2007... I think it will overachieve to some extent.

2008? I'm not sure. Phillips might be too easy going (sorta "Switzer-like") and we could end up with some issues heading into the 2008 season.

I agree......I hope he has a big stick in his locker and will not be shy about using it when needed..

 

[Kangaroo]

I can honestly say I do not know

I think the 1st 2 years Bill did a great job coaching this team getting the most out of them but the last 2 years he has looked different on the sideline (I think he was burned out if you know the truth)

Now the Wade hire baffles me somewhat he has been a mediocre headcoach in 2 previous spots (but he was a better pick than Norv) sorry but Norvel has been a complete and utter pathetic Head coach in 2 previous stops.

What I do not get about Wade was pulling Flutie for Rob Johnson right before the playoffs is was not like Flutie was playing badly. I still have no idea what the guy was thinking in Buffalo when he did that.

 

[WoodysGirl]

A mixed bag.

I think Bill may have instilled a solid work ethic into the team... but his management style left something to be desired.

I believe there will be some positive "bounce-back" for the team in 2007... I think it will overachieve to some extent.

2008? I'm not sure. Phillips might be too easy going (sorta "Switzer-like") and we could end up with some issues heading into the 2008 season.

2008 is what I'm concerned about, but only because of what happened in 2004.

I liked what Big Bill did for the organization. And those that say ANY coach could do what Bill did, I don't think they could've. I think a coach with Bill's personality had to come in and instill certain things into the organization...from Jerry on down. I think it was time for Big Bill to move on, but I liked him.

The question about whether Wade can take the team to the next level is a big "I don't know." And that will be in question after he makes his first boneheaded in-game decision and it will be in question after the team wins its first game, or completes its first season under his guidance.

 

[GlitzCowboy]

I feel like a big weight has been lifted off the shoulders of this team. It's fun once again. With Bill it was an institution that lacked emotion. And maybe that worked in the past, but I just don't feel like it does in today's NFL. Wade is a breath of long awaited fresh air imo.

In regards to Wade not being a "sexy" hire, I disagree. This team hasn't looked this "sexy" in years! Being "sexy" is a feeling one has when looking at one's self, and the entire time Bill was here all we did was look down on ourselves, there was not one thing sexy about this team in the least for those 4 years. We're a "family" team once again, the institutionalized dictatorship doors have been closed! Welcome, Wade! Welcome, new era of the Dallas Cowboys!

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Anyone who can say - definitively - yes, at this moment in time, just didn't like Bill in the first place, and would be happy if we had Rowdy coaching the team. That's not the brightest stance, but hey, at least it's a stance.

I don't agree with that, SP. For one, of course this isn't definitive -- it's a projection, an educated guess. What fun would it be if we waited three years to answer this question?

Lots of us were ecstatic when we hired Bill. I never thought Jerry could pull that off. But the team was stagnating, and I think this year would have been roughly a repeat of last year -- field a pretty good team that stalls and then founders.

For this upcoming year, I definitely think we'll be better off. As for years down the road, who knows -- maybe not. But Bill was about at the end of the line anyway, given his age and the length of his other coaching stops.

 

[superpunk]

I don't agree with that, SP. For one, of course this isn't definitive -- it's a projection, and educated guess. What fun would it be if we waited three years to answer this question?

Lots of us were ecstatic when we hired Bill. I never thought Jerry could pull that off. But the team was stagnating, and I think this year would have been roughly a repeat of last year -- field a pretty good team that stalls and then founders.

For this upcoming year, I definitely think we'll be better off. As for years down the road, who knows -- maybe not. But Bill was about at the end of the line anyway, given his age and the length of his other coaching stops.

The question is, are we better off now than with Bill?

What possible criteria could you use to quantify a position on either side? Because we won't have to hear about Bavaro anymore?

I assumed when the question is posed "are WE better off", we refers to the Cowboys, not fickle fans who are still pissed that the north won the war. There's no way to know whether "we" are better off at all. Because it can ALWAYS be worse. I don't think it will, I'm just saying.

 

[ZeroClub]

I'll have to let you know at a later date.

I like some of the groceries Parcells bought but at times I thought he needed a new chef as the most part the main course was a little to bland for my taste.

We'll see if The New Chef in town can add a little spice to the meat & potatoes..

Hungry for a change, huh?



I agree, though.

I'll miss Parcells because I really enjoyed his press conferences.

But I think the team will do better with fresher, perhaps more innovative, X's and O's.


I think Parcells achieved a lot as the Cowboys headcoach. He turned a franchise that was headed in the wrong direction, gave it a rudder, and set it on the right course. No small task. It is now his replacement's job to finish the job.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

A mixed bag.

I think Bill may have instilled a solid work ethic into the team... but his management style left something to be desired.

I believe there will be some positive "bounce-back" for the team in 2007... I think it will overachieve to some extent.

2008? I'm not sure. Phillips might be too easy going (sorta "Switzer-like") and we could end up with some issues heading into the 2008 season.

Agreed.

Just as with Bills first year here. We really overachieved a great deal and most of that was on him. It really was a great coaching job. We did not have as much talent but we had a change at VR and players were willing to buy into it and give it their all.

I can see that happening again with Wade. I can see the defense really being fired up with the idea of getting to the QB more.

Well what happens after that still remains to be seen.

We had a group that did not have as much talent and I think it was a given they were running all over Campo. At that time they needed discipline and someone to come in and kick them in the arse. Bill Provided that.

Somewhere along the way I think that tactic got old to many of the players. To the point where it was counter productive to some younger players who were afraid to just play all out in fear of making mistakes.

I remember Troy or one of the triplets talking one time how Jimmy Johnson would use all kind of bulletin board materials to show how other teams were disrespecting the boys in order to get the team fired up. Whoever it was said it worked for some time but after so long it did not have the same effect and Jimmy was coming up with anything to try and use the same tactic.

That is similar to what I seen with Bill. The stuff just got old and the players tired of it and wearing down afraid to make mistakes instead of playing all out.

Now with Wade I think the more relaxed atmosphere will help out and the idea of going after the QB more will be a huge boost to the defense and players. Time will tell if that relaxed state gets old or players start taking advantage of it.

However I think it could be said without a doubt that Wade has much better players already in place compared to what Bill had coming in.

 

[jazzcat22]

I think we are. Bill's stubborn ways were IMO holding this team back. The only thing that I will miss is his PC's. He really handed it to those r-tards.

Agree, he took this team as far as he could go. But left a very good talented team in place. They just need a different style, and got it.

 

[jazzcat22]

I think the 1st 2 years Bill did a great job coaching this team getting the most out of them but the last 2 years he has looked different on the sideline (I think he was burned out if you know the truth)

Ever since his brother passed away, he has not been the same.

 

[lspain1]

2008 is what I'm concerned about, but only because of what happened in 2004.

I liked what Big Bill did for the organization. And those that say ANY coach could do what Bill did, I don't think they could've. I think a coach with Bill's personality had to come in and instill certain things into the organization...from Jerry on down. I think it was time for Big Bill to move on, but I liked him.

The question about whether Wade can take the team to the next level is a big "I don't know." And that will be in question after he makes his first boneheaded in-game decision and it will be in question after the team wins its first game, or completes its first season under his guidance.

Well spoken WoodysGirl. My addition to your comments is that Bill never seemd to bring anything like a family atmosphere to the staff and I believe that added to the problems getting the most out of the players. I believe the "Texas roots" thing will add some enthusiasm that will translate into better play on the field. We'll see.

 

[Tricericon]

Wait a minute...the consensus of this thread is that HOFer Bill Parcells to Buffalo reject Wade Phillips is, at least short term, an upgrade?

What?

It's too easy to look and see only the silver lining with a team you love. I really hope you guys are right, but I just don't see it. I really don't.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

yes, case in point:

everyone rejoicing over the re-signing of Columbo, a Parcells' acquisition

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Wait a minute...the consensus of this thread is that HOFer Bill Parcells to Buffalo reject Wade Phillips is, at least short term, an upgrade?

What?

It's too easy to look and see only the silver lining with a team you love. I really hope you guys are right, but I just don't see it. I really don't.

I wonder if you thought a Niners and Lions reject offensive lineman couldn't possibly be an upgrade over a sure-fire HOFer, too?

 

[burmafrd]

BP no longer had the energy to coach as he once did, and was too set in his ways to change. But he rebuilt the team and the franchise and now we are much better then what we were. I was thinking that if he had had the energy that he had his first season last year, things would have been different. I happen to think 2003 was the finest coaching job he ever did. When you look at what he had at most of the skill positions, let alone on the lines, to get 10 wins and into the playoffs was an incredible feat.

 

[smarta5150]

I am in very high spirits the way we are now.

I appreciate some of the pieces BP got us too.