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A quarterback in trouble

Dog fighting latest example of Vick's bad judgment

So now it's dog fighting. For at least the fourth time in a span of about five months, Michael Vick's name has once again surfaced in connection with a story that threatens to further tarnish his reputation, leading to a growing debate about the viability of his future as the face of the Atlanta Falcons franchise.

In recent days, SI.com talked to multiple sources who have known Vick well for years, and they say his troubling pattern of recent behavior reflects a penchant for questionable judgment, an unwillingness to distance himself from the wrong crowd, and a long-standing belief that the rules don't apply to him.

While the sources spoke on the condition that their names not be used due to their relationship with Vick, two of them said they were convinced the quarterback has been involved with the illegal dog-fighting ring that authorities believe they discovered last month while conducting a drug raid on a house Vick owns in Smithfield, Va. Authorities found nearly 70 dogs and various items associated with dog fighting. Vick has maintained that a cousin lives at the house and that he was unaware pit bulls were being kept on the premises.

"He knows what's going on in that house in Virginia,'' one source said. "There's not a doubt in my mind he's involved with it.'' The other source cited Vick's longtime "affinity'' for the dog-fighting subculture, and expressed certainty that Vick was aware of what was happening at the house.

If Vick is found to be complicit in a dog-fighting ring, he will face league penalties that could include a suspension. "It's a matter that will be reviewed under the personal conduct policy at the appropriate time,'' said Greg Aiello, the NFL's vice president of public relations, on Wednesday.

While at last month's NFL Draft in New York, Vick met with league commissioner Roger Goodell, who in essence communicated to him that he couldn't breed dogs for illegal purposes and go unpunished. Days later, in an interview with Boomer Esiason of New York's MSG television network, Goodell said, "I was very clear with Michael. In my mind, that is your responsibility. People living in your house and people on your property is your responsibility. That is not an excuse from my standpoint, and I made that clear to Michael Vick.''

Seven years into an NFL career known for its peaks and valleys, Vick's off-field behavior has become almost as newsworthy as his unique on-field talents. Many wonder if he will ever mature enough to embrace the responsibilities and expectations inherent in being a franchise quarterback in the NFL. More importantly, there are questions about whether his liabilities are approaching a tipping point in Atlanta, and if 2007 could be his make-or-break season with the Falcons.

The portrait of Vick that sources painted was of a "rock star'' athlete who believes the rules don't apply to him and who seems to have little awareness of how his actions and lack of judgment reflect so poorly on the franchise that has made him its public face and paid him millions of dollars in the process.

Vick is not a "bad guy,'' the sources say, but he refuses to take direction from anyone, often fails to recognize good advice when it's offered, and is unwilling to separate himself from bad influences, who are largely friends and members of his ever-present "posse.''

After interviewing those who have watched up close as Vick's saga has unfolded in Atlanta this decade, it's obvious the Falcons organization bears some responsibility for his troubling pattern of behavior. Team owner Arthur Blank has been too quick to either coddle Vick or excuse his actions, even after Vick creates headlines that embarrass the organization.

"Blank is in complete denial, in part because he spent $130 million on the guy,'' one source said. "Vick is his investment. When Vick does something wrong, he has Blank to run to. Blank and his wife, Stephanie, really coddle the guy. They baby him. I think they've enabled the situation to the highest degree. They've not held Vick accountable for his actions.''

Reached Wednesday in Cabo San Lucas, where he's on vacation, Blank refuted the notion that he or his wife have coddled Vick. In the same breath he acknowledged that his team's star quarterback has reached a "crossroads'' stage in his career.

"There's no coddling going on here,'' Blank said. "Whatever is 180 degrees from that, that's the reality. The [financial] investment we've made in him has nothing to do with the way we treat him. When Michael has done something wrong that has been documented, we've had very direct conversations with him. We don't have all the facts of the [dog fighting] investigation, but obviously the story's not developing well. Which is one of the reasons why I asked the commissioner to speak to Michael about the situation and to be as stern as he felt he needed to be.''

Blank said he personally told Vick in recent days that his behavior must change, and not just his words -- or else.

"I would say Michael understands, and I told him he is in essence on a short leash,'' Blank said. "His behavior cannot go on this way. His actions need to be different; his decisions need to be different. He can't just talk about changing things, he has to change his life. He says he understands, and I'm hoping he's being truthful with us and wants to deal with it. I hope he has the personal strength. I think it's very appropriate to say he's at a crossroads.''

Increased accountability is something the Falcons have talked about in connection with Vick's off-field mis-steps in the past, but their non-actions have spoken loudest. Vick reached a point in his Falcons tenure a few years ago when, according to one source, he needed more "kicks in the butt than pats on the back.'' But despite that being obvious, the source said the Falcons continued to "protect Vick from his own mistakes and downplay their significance, rather than get him to recognize they're not acceptable.''

There appear to be at least two key developments that helped sow the seeds for Vick's recent spate of off-field incidents: One was when Vick's mother, Brenda Boddie, moved from his house in Atlanta back home to Virginia at the start of his third NFL season, in 2003. With her stabilizing presence gone, Vick's coterie of friends had more opportunity to occupy his time and agenda. The second, more dramatic change might have occurred when Vick signed his huge second contract, in December 2004. The 10-year extension was worth $130 million and included a $37 million signing bonus.

"Money is empowering to athletes, because you can always spend money to overcome some of the conduct that shouldn't be tolerated,'' one source said. "They [pro athletes] come to think that money can absolve them of almost anything.''

There was at least one common theme among everybody who talked about Vick's problems: Many of his issues come from whom he chooses to associate with, and be influenced by. Vick's entourage "has nothing to do but sit around his house,'' a source said. Vick's mother is said to have moved back to Virginia in part due to her distaste for her son's choice of friends.

Vick accedes to his friends' wishes far too often, eventually giving in to them if they continue to harass him about any particular topic or activity, a source said. "Mike's the classic case of the guy who listens to the last person who speaks to him, whether it's a 15-year-old or a 50-year-old. He doesn't have a barometer about whether it's a good thing or a bad thing. That's how something like the dog fighting can get started. That's where he's so easily influenced.''

Blank said he recently urged Vick to break ties with either friends or family members who have been shown to not have his best interests in mind.

"I hope he'll make some good choices and get on with his life,'' Blank said. "I told Michael, 'You've heard of the saying you are what you eat?' Well, you are who you spend time with as well. Who you hang out with, it's important. It's part of who you are known as, as a person and an NFL player.''

And while Vick contends he was unaware of what was going on with pit bulls at his Virginia premises, his interest in the breed is well known. One source recounted to SI.com how a year or so ago, Vick and a neighbor got into a disagreement about the safety of Vick keeping two pit bulls in an unfenced yard at his home in suburban Atlanta. The neighbor went to Vick's home and complained to him that there were children in the neighborhood and that the dogs were a potential safety issue.

Vick just "laughed in the guy's face and told him to get the hell out of there,'' the source said. "We just kind of knew he was involved with pits.''

That same source believes that Vick will likely end up beating any potential rap in connection with dog-fighting in Virginia. In this case, Vick's entourage could be a help, not a hindrance. According to the source, in other NFL situations like this, someone in the group often steps up and takes the blame. "Vick is the meal ticket," the source said. "If he takes the fall, all the money goes away. They're not going to let that happen.''

Vick's accountability issues appear to be nearing the stage of reaching critical mass in Atlanta, but how the rest of 2007 plays out could be critical to determining his future as a Falcon. Vick out-lasted both of his first two head coaches in Atlanta, Dan Reeves and Jim Mora, who both left town with winning career records.

How new head coach Bobby Petrino deals with Vick's situation will be closely watched. Increased on-field success would likely take some of the focus off the questions about Vick's personal conduct. But even with more touchdowns and victories in Atlanta this season, the spotlight is on Vick like never before.​
 

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Par for the course with this guy. I can't believe they traded away Schaub and are willing to trust this guy to fly straight... Because he won't.

But the real question is, when Vick gets benched or suspended this year, will it be Zimmer's fault? :D
 

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Commissioner Goodell said:
"I was very clear with Michael. In my mind, that is your responsibility. People living in your house and people on your property is your responsibility. That is not an excuse from my standpoint, and I made that clear to Michael Vick.

I agree and disagree.

At the end of the day, one's name is on the property, so one will have to take full responsiblity if illegal activity is taking place on the premises.

On the other hand, the guy is a celebrity and professional athlete, whom I am sure has a very demanding schedule and I could see how he may not know what is going on at a property he owns 24-7.

If he is complicit in this, football should be taken away from him for a while, I think then he may be able to appreciate it more.

- Mike G.
 

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A quarterback in trouble

Dog fighting latest example of Vick's bad judgment

So now it's dog fighting. For at least the fourth time in a span of about five months, Michael Vick's name has once again surfaced in connection with a story that threatens to further tarnish his reputation, leading to a growing debate about the viability of his future as the face of the Atlanta Falcons franchise.

In recent days, SI.com talked to multiple sources who have known Vick well for years, and they say his troubling pattern of recent behavior reflects a penchant for questionable judgment, an unwillingness to distance himself from the wrong crowd, and a long-standing belief that the rules don't apply to him.

While the sources spoke on the condition that their names not be used due to their relationship with Vick, two of them said they were convinced the quarterback has been involved with the illegal dog-fighting ring that authorities believe they discovered last month while conducting a drug raid on a house Vick owns in Smithfield, Va. Authorities found nearly 70 dogs and various items associated with dog fighting. Vick has maintained that a cousin lives at the house and that he was unaware pit bulls were being kept on the premises.

"He knows what's going on in that house in Virginia,'' one source said. "There's not a doubt in my mind he's involved with it.'' The other source cited Vick's longtime "affinity'' for the dog-fighting subculture, and expressed certainty that Vick was aware of what was happening at the house.

If Vick is found to be complicit in a dog-fighting ring, he will face league penalties that could include a suspension. "It's a matter that will be reviewed under the personal conduct policy at the appropriate time,'' said Greg Aiello, the NFL's vice president of public relations, on Wednesday.

While at last month's NFL Draft in New York, Vick met with league commissioner Roger Goodell, who in essence communicated to him that he couldn't breed dogs for illegal purposes and go unpunished. Days later, in an interview with Boomer Esiason of New York's MSG television network, Goodell said, "I was very clear with Michael. In my mind, that is your responsibility. People living in your house and people on your property is your responsibility. That is not an excuse from my standpoint, and I made that clear to Michael Vick.''

Seven years into an NFL career known for its peaks and valleys, Vick's off-field behavior has become almost as newsworthy as his unique on-field talents. Many wonder if he will ever mature enough to embrace the responsibilities and expectations inherent in being a franchise quarterback in the NFL. More importantly, there are questions about whether his liabilities are approaching a tipping point in Atlanta, and if 2007 could be his make-or-break season with the Falcons.

The portrait of Vick that sources painted was of a "rock star'' athlete who believes the rules don't apply to him and who seems to have little awareness of how his actions and lack of judgment reflect so poorly on the franchise that has made him its public face and paid him millions of dollars in the process.

Vick is not a "bad guy,'' the sources say, but he refuses to take direction from anyone, often fails to recognize good advice when it's offered, and is unwilling to separate himself from bad influences, who are largely friends and members of his ever-present "posse.''

After interviewing those who have watched up close as Vick's saga has unfolded in Atlanta this decade, it's obvious the Falcons organization bears some responsibility for his troubling pattern of behavior. Team owner Arthur Blank has been too quick to either coddle Vick or excuse his actions, even after Vick creates headlines that embarrass the organization.

"Blank is in complete denial, in part because he spent $130 million on the guy,'' one source said. "Vick is his investment. When Vick does something wrong, he has Blank to run to. Blank and his wife, Stephanie, really coddle the guy. They baby him. I think they've enabled the situation to the highest degree. They've not held Vick accountable for his actions.''

Reached Wednesday in Cabo San Lucas, where he's on vacation, Blank refuted the notion that he or his wife have coddled Vick. In the same breath he acknowledged that his team's star quarterback has reached a "crossroads'' stage in his career.

"There's no coddling going on here,'' Blank said. "Whatever is 180 degrees from that, that's the reality. The [financial] investment we've made in him has nothing to do with the way we treat him. When Michael has done something wrong that has been documented, we've had very direct conversations with him. We don't have all the facts of the [dog fighting] investigation, but obviously the story's not developing well. Which is one of the reasons why I asked the commissioner to speak to Michael about the situation and to be as stern as he felt he needed to be.''

Blank said he personally told Vick in recent days that his behavior must change, and not just his words -- or else.

"I would say Michael understands, and I told him he is in essence on a short leash,'' Blank said. "His behavior cannot go on this way. His actions need to be different; his decisions need to be different. He can't just talk about changing things, he has to change his life. He says he understands, and I'm hoping he's being truthful with us and wants to deal with it. I hope he has the personal strength. I think it's very appropriate to say he's at a crossroads.''

Increased accountability is something the Falcons have talked about in connection with Vick's off-field mis-steps in the past, but their non-actions have spoken loudest. Vick reached a point in his Falcons tenure a few years ago when, according to one source, he needed more "kicks in the butt than pats on the back.'' But despite that being obvious, the source said the Falcons continued to "protect Vick from his own mistakes and downplay their significance, rather than get him to recognize they're not acceptable.''

There appear to be at least two key developments that helped sow the seeds for Vick's recent spate of off-field incidents: One was when Vick's mother, Brenda Boddie, moved from his house in Atlanta back home to Virginia at the start of his third NFL season, in 2003. With her stabilizing presence gone, Vick's coterie of friends had more opportunity to occupy his time and agenda. The second, more dramatic change might have occurred when Vick signed his huge second contract, in December 2004. The 10-year extension was worth $130 million and included a $37 million signing bonus.

"Money is empowering to athletes, because you can always spend money to overcome some of the conduct that shouldn't be tolerated,'' one source said. "They [pro athletes] come to think that money can absolve them of almost anything.''

There was at least one common theme among everybody who talked about Vick's problems: Many of his issues come from whom he chooses to associate with, and be influenced by. Vick's entourage "has nothing to do but sit around his house,'' a source said. Vick's mother is said to have moved back to Virginia in part due to her distaste for her son's choice of friends.

Vick accedes to his friends' wishes far too often, eventually giving in to them if they continue to harass him about any particular topic or activity, a source said. "Mike's the classic case of the guy who listens to the last person who speaks to him, whether it's a 15-year-old or a 50-year-old. He doesn't have a barometer about whether it's a good thing or a bad thing. That's how something like the dog fighting can get started. That's where he's so easily influenced.''

Blank said he recently urged Vick to break ties with either friends or family members who have been shown to not have his best interests in mind.

"I hope he'll make some good choices and get on with his life,'' Blank said. "I told Michael, 'You've heard of the saying you are what you eat?' Well, you are who you spend time with as well. Who you hang out with, it's important. It's part of who you are known as, as a person and an NFL player.''

And while Vick contends he was unaware of what was going on with pit bulls at his Virginia premises, his interest in the breed is well known. One source recounted to SI.com how a year or so ago, Vick and a neighbor got into a disagreement about the safety of Vick keeping two pit bulls in an unfenced yard at his home in suburban Atlanta. The neighbor went to Vick's home and complained to him that there were children in the neighborhood and that the dogs were a potential safety issue.

Vick just "laughed in the guy's face and told him to get the hell out of there,'' the source said. "We just kind of knew he was involved with pits.''

That same source believes that Vick will likely end up beating any potential rap in connection with dog-fighting in Virginia. In this case, Vick's entourage could be a help, not a hindrance. According to the source, in other NFL situations like this, someone in the group often steps up and takes the blame. "Vick is the meal ticket," the source said. "If he takes the fall, all the money goes away. They're not going to let that happen.''

Vick's accountability issues appear to be nearing the stage of reaching critical mass in Atlanta, but how the rest of 2007 plays out could be critical to determining his future as a Falcon. Vick out-lasted both of his first two head coaches in Atlanta, Dan Reeves and Jim Mora, who both left town with winning career records.

How new head coach Bobby Petrino deals with Vick's situation will be closely watched. Increased on-field success would likely take some of the focus off the questions about Vick's personal conduct. But even with more touchdowns and victories in Atlanta this season, the spotlight is on Vick like never before.​

Stories like this make you appreciate the Troy Aikman's of the NFL who didn't bring baggage with them to the NFL. I suspect that the bad things Vick does are a little bit like "cockroaches" for every one you see there are dozens that you can't see.
 

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This guy is a ******. No, never mind, that gives people who are actually mentally handicapped a bad name. If the new commish has any balls whatsoever, Vick should be getting suspended.
 

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While at last month's NFL Draft in New York, Vick met with league commissioner Roger Goodell, who in essence communicated to him that he couldn't breed dogs for illegal purposes and go unpunished. Days later, in an interview with Boomer Esiason of New York's MSG television network, Goodell said, "I was very clear with Michael. In my mind, that is your responsibility. People living in your house and people on your property is your responsibility. That is not an excuse from my standpoint, and I made that clear to Michael Vick.''
This sounds like Goodell is going to suspend Vick. Is Goodell just waiting to see what charges are made first so that he knows how severe he should punish him? Atlanta may be regretting trading Schaub away.
 

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trickblue;1493431 said:
The other source cited Vick's longtime "affinity'' for the dog-fighting subculture

trickblue;1493431 said:
Vick is not a "bad guy,'' the sources say
Sounds like an oxymoron to me...

Anyone that knowningly endangers or purposely brings harm to any living creature other than himself for "entertainment purposes" wouldn't be classified as "not a bad guy" in my book.
 

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nyc;1493518 said:
Sounds like an oxymoron to me...

Anyone that knowningly endangers or purposely brings harm to any living creature other than himself for "entertainment purposes" wouldn't be classified as "not a bad guy" in my book.
I know what your saying, but I hope you have an exception for fishermen and maybe hunters.:D
 

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speedkilz88;1493522 said:
I know what your saying, but I hope you have an exception for fishermen and maybe hunters.:D

Catch and release is fine. (I enjoy fishing) There is no excuse for hunting unless it's for survival or to curb over population.

NYC is getting to many people. (over eight million+) We may need to curb it's population a bit! :laugh2:
 

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nyc;1493518 said:
Sounds like an oxymoron to me...

Anyone that knowningly endangers or purposely brings harm to any living creature other than himself for "entertainment purposes" wouldn't be classified as "not a bad guy" in my book.


I totally hear ya. I think doing that to animals is beyond cruel.


It is kind of funny though that you say that and have the "kill bunny" code in your sig line......
 

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mickgreen58;1493471 said:
I agree and disagree.

At the end of the day, one's name is on the property, so one will have to take full responsiblity if illegal activity is taking place on the premises.

On the other hand, the guy is a celebrity and professional athlete, whom I am sure has a very demanding schedule and I could see how he may not know what is going on at a property he owns 24-7.

If he is complicit in this, football should be taken away from him for a while, I think then he may be able to appreciate it more.

- Mike G.


I agree with you but I also think that if he is letting people stay under his name and he isn't quite sure what is happening then he is setting himself up for trouble.

Either way, I think he should hold some responsibility because it was his house. Ignorance isn't an excuse. He has to take some blame because he facilitated the whole thing, even if it was unknowingly.
 

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Thehoofbite;1493529 said:
I totally hear ya. I think doing that to animals is beyond cruel.


It is kind of funny though that you say that and have the "kill bunny" code in your sig line......

Actually, that has everything to do with someone elses sig that had a bunny in it. It has nothing to do with a real bunny. :)
 

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If this guy doesn't have a great year this season (read: learn how to pass!) Petrino is going to want this guy out of here. I know the falcons are much like the Eagles because the both have explosive and entertaining athletes at quarterback and their teams are frankly BORING to watch without them, but the teams may be starting to realize they are actually doing better/could to better with a west-coast qb like Brady. I wonder if the Falcons' owner would ever allow Vick to be traded or leave.
 

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I don't know if his contract would allow it. When you invest that kind of money your basically married for the duration.
 

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nyc;1493527 said:
Catch and release is fine. (I enjoy fishing) There is no excuse for hunting unless it's for survival or to curb over population. NYC is getting to many people. (over eight million+) We may need to curb it's population a bit! :laugh2:


I will have to disagree with you on your anti-hunting stance. Come to think of it, being a lawyer, I am against the curtailment of any "right" being taken away.

You have no idea how badly I deplore smoking. I mean I cannot express into words how much it gets on my nerves. As much as I would love to see it banned all together, in any form, I am against banning it, because banning it opens the door to banning other things. It is a slippery slope that there is no returning from.
 

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He is a coach killer ala Pappa Mora

He cant QB a team consistently

He should salvage his career and change position

He isnt much smarter than PacMan Jones
 

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Verdict;1493582 said:
I will have to disagree with you on your anti-hunting stance. Come to think of it, being a lawyer, I am against the curtailment of any "right" being taken away.

You have no idea how badly I deplore smoking. I mean I cannot express into words how much it gets on my nerves. As much as I would love to see it banned all together, in any form, I am against banning it, because banning it opens the door to banning other things. It is a slippery slope that there is no returning from.

I'm an ex-smoker. I smoked for many years. I stopped smoking in 2001. I absolutely hate smoking. I don't want to ban it either, I just don't want people to smoke in my presents. You want to smoke, smoke. Just don't smoke around me as I choose not to smoke and you shouldn't have the choice of forcing me to live with your smoke.
 

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nyc;1493593 said:
I'm an ex-smoker. I smoked for many years. I stopped smoking in 2001. I absolutely hate smoking. I don't want to ban it either, I just don't want people to smoke in my presents. You want to smoke, smoke. Just don't smoke around me as I choose not to smoke and you shouldn't have the choice of forcing me to live with your smoke.

If it wasnt about the bottom line... smoking would have been banned a long time ago. Its dirty, its pollution... its a killer
 

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YoMick;1493603 said:
If it wasnt about the bottom line... smoking would have been banned a long time ago. Its dirty, its pollution... its a killer

As they say. Smoking cures cancer...
 

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mickgreen58;1493471 said:
I agree and disagree.

At the end of the day, one's name is on the property, so one will have to take full responsiblity if illegal activity is taking place on the premises.

On the other hand, the guy is a celebrity and professional athlete, whom I am sure has a very demanding schedule and I could see how he may not know what is going on at a property he owns 24-7.

If he is complicit in this, football should be taken away from him for a while, I think then he may be able to appreciate it more.

- Mike G.

The idea that he did not know that there were 70 pitbulls at his home in Virginia is quite laughable.

I see no way in the world that he would not be aware of that.
 
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