ARTICLE: Schaub is safer bet than top college prospects

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All you heard after this year's Rose Bowl was Vince Young this, Vince Young that. Jay Cutler was the talk of the Senior Bowl and the scouting combine. Now, nearly a week into free agency and six weeks before the draft, the hottest quarterback prospect isn't from college but rather is 24-year-old Atlanta backup Matt Schaub.

Word around the campfire is the Dolphins offered the Falcons a second-round pick and then some (pick or player) for Michael Vick's understudy before they swung a deal with the Vikings for Daunte Culpepper. The Falcons want Jets franchised defensive end John Abraham, but New York's desire for Schaub in exchange is holding up that deal. The Cowboys, Ravens, Titans and Vikings -- all in the market for a young quarterback -- have contacted the Falcons about Schaub and been rebuffed.

It's going to take a lot to pry Schaub -- a third-round pick out of Virginia in 2004 (the fifth quarterback selected) -- from the Falcons, and it's easy to understand why. With injuries and inept performances common, a quality backup quarterback is not a luxury but a necessity. The way Vick plays, he inevitably gets hurt. Schaub stepped in for Vick in Week 5 last year and made a nice résumé tape for himself, shredding the Patriots' defense for 298 yards and three touchdowns in a three-point loss -- this, one week after he impersonated Vick in the second half of a blowout win over the Vikings, running for 56 yards on four carries. Not coincidentally, new Jets coach Eric Mangini was New England's defensive coordinator last year and Vikings owner Zygi Wilf had a front-row (box) seat for Schaub's dynamic relief performance against his defense.

Remember: Three falls ago, Falcons owner Arthur Blank had to watch Doug Johnson quarterback his team when Vick missed most of the 2003 season with a broken leg. For the Falcons to make a deal involving Schaub -- and the impression I got Wednesday from speaking with one high-ranking team official was that he was not "untouchable" -- they have to be able to replace him with someone they feel they can win with when and if Vick goes down for a game or two.

Problem is, not many teams (how about Tennessee with Billy Volek?) can offer the combination of a starting-caliber backup and high pick(s) it takes to get Schaub. So then, it's up to the aforementioned QB-needy teams to make Atlanta a Godfather offer.

If I'm the Jets or Titans, I do darn near whatever it takes to get this kid. It says a lot, doesn't it, that both those clubs -- teams picking third (Titans) and fourth -- are exploring alternatives to drafting a quarterback early. As much as there is to like about Cutler, Young and Matt Leinart, there's no question each has holes in his game. Can Cutler correct the bad habits he developed playing with poor talent at Vanderbilt? (Oh, and FYI: From what I understand, Cutler didn't exactly blow the Jets away during his combine interview.) Can Young cut it as a passer at this level? And how's Leinart going to respond to a pass-rush?

We've seen what a crapshoot picking quarterbacks can be. Crap out early and it can cost you $20 million.

So if I'm going to role the dice, I do it on a guy who's cheap ($385,000 next year, the last of his contract, after which he becomes a restricted free agent) and whom I don't have to try to project as much. Even though Schaub has started only two games, he is 134 regular-season pass attempts more experienced than any of the top prospects.

The Jets took the unusual step of having players break down their college game film at the combine. They already have NFL film on Schaub. You know what he can do against a Bill Belichick scheme, a Ted Cottrell defense, pro competition. With the draft's big three, as Jim Mora's dad once said, you think you know, but you just don't know. I'm guessing the Jets and Titans have some doubts about the top guys and would prefer not to bet the house on an unknown.

Something else that makes Schaub attractive is that he has had great training. His position coach at Virginia was Bill Musgrave, his head coach Al Groh. In Atlanta, he has been tutored by Greg Knapp, who has worked with Pro Bowlers Steve Young, Jeff Garcia and Vick. When you watch Schaub, you see a big (6 foot 5, 237 pounds), poised and accurate passer. You see perhaps the next Mark Brunell or Marc Bulger or Matt Hasselbeck or Jake Delhomme -- all one-time understudies who have gone on to have success as starters. Schaub is bright and makes good decisions. Cutler, Leinart and Young will need time to adjust to the pro game. Schaub is ready to step in and lead right now. Atlanta took care of a lot of the grooming.

The Falcons would like to hold on to Schaub, and that's smart, but if the right offer comes along that could help them improve at several other positions, they'd be foolish not to consider it. Or maybe they just keep him this year, slap the high (first- and third-round pick compensation) restricted tender on him next year and make the rest of the league wait until he's an unrestricted free agent. But his trade value might never be higher than it is right now -- something for the Falcons to think about.

As for any teams thinking about taking a gamble on a quarterback, they might want to consider passing on investing a top-five pick and a large signing bonus in an unproven player. There are very few sure things when it comes to quarterbacks. Anyway, unless you're the Saints -- who pick second -- you don't know for sure whether you'll get the QB you want.
I still believe the top three guys will be good players, but Schaub just might be the best bet. He's certainly the safest.

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Isn't Schuab a free agent next year? Lets just wait until then and get him for free. Bledose will start next year anyway, so whats the rush?
 

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neosapien23 said:
Isn't Schuab a free agent next year? Lets just wait until then and get him for free. Bledose will start next year anyway, so whats the rush?

Schaub will be a RFA next yr...they could max tender him and still require somebody to give up a 1st and 3rd for him (which some team might be willing to do, especially if you draft out of the top-10 to 15 and want a QB)

thats probably what their stance is right now, they know they can keep him for another yr and next yr get at least that or close to it for him, so getting him now would cost something around there

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stilltheguru said:
i live in the A.


hes not that good at all

I live in A too...I dont think he is a 5 star prospect, but I do think he's the best QB on that team...the Falcons organization will never admit it because of their investment in primadona Vick, but Schaub is a better passer and reads defenses quicker...given reps and PT he will improve alot

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dbair1967 said:
I live in A too...I dont think he is a 5 star prospect, but I do think he's the best QB on that team...the Falcons organization will never admit it because of their investment in primadona Vick, but Schaub is a better passer and reads defenses quicker...given reps and PT he will improve alot

David

I read an insider report last year that said the coaching staff is much more comfortable with him at QB as opposed to Vick...
 

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You mean using the logic that a proven player is more sound an investment than a possible miss or bust in the draft is sound thinking? This can't be true because we mock the Skins every chance we get for being aggressive in free agency going after proven players such as Springs, Washington, Griffin and the crop this year and trading draft picks in every thread on this board....Can you feel the sarcasm? I really enjoyed your post and agree with you and also that it should not only be said for QBs in the top five picks of the draft but for players in general....ex Jacob Rogers, Dan Wilkinson, Rod Gardner, Michael Westbrook, Desmond Howard, Heath SHuler, Ryan Leaf....wow come to think of it there are several Commanders draft pickson that last...thus endorsing their Gibbs thought process (remember he and Beathard had no problem trading #1 picks or any for that matter back in the day) on going after proven talent they study and figure would fit exactly into their scheme over a college player who is overhyped or perhaps not from a pro system. Thanks for the realism and aiding in my epiphany. :)
 

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he had that good game against the pats.but every other time vick gets hurt and he comes in its ugly.


i cant remember the game this year..........oh yea seahawks game i believe.he came in and played HORRID.


he could be decent tho i guess.and be honest you would rather vick than shaub.
 

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trickblue said:
I read an insider report last year that said the coaching staff is much more comfortable with him at QB as opposed to Vick...

Vick= coach killer

no coach will ever truly be able to "coach" that team...Arthur Blank will never allow anyone to admit what a huge mistake he made by giving him that ridiculous contract and annointing him the Michael Jordan of the NFL

Mora wont be the HC of that team in 2007...just my opinion

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stilltheguru said:
.and be honest you would rather vick than shaub.

I was being honest...I wouldnt want anything to do with Vick

give me Schaub any day of the week...Vick will get his ESPN highlights with the run for his life plays, but Schaub will win me games with his passing ability and will take better care of the football

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dbair1967 said:
I was being honest...I wouldnt want anything to do with Vick

give me Schaub any day of the week...Vick will get his ESPN highlights with the run for his life plays, but Schaub will win me games with his passing ability and will take better care of the football

David

I don't fancy Vick at all and think he is way overrated. But having said that, whats winning games? How many games did Schaub win for them? From what I watched, and I watched more than a game that Schaub played, he is Ok, but bottom line, doesn't get you a win.

Like another posters pointed out, his Seattle game was just bad. I was one of the those guys who thought Schaub would do better than vick. But boy, as bad as Vick is, Schaub is still not the real deal. He might be, given time, but too many reports seem to rehash whats been reported without seeing him play. I think he is more like Billy Volek. Can throw for lot of yards, but bottom line, doesn't do much for winning the game.
 

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I don't fancy Vick at all and think he is way overrated. But having said that, whats winning games? How many games did Schaub win for them? From what I watched, and I watched more than a game that Schaub played, he is Ok, but bottom line, doesn't get you a win.

Like another posters pointed out, his Seattle game was just bad. I was one of the those guys who thought Schaub would do better than vick. But boy, as bad as Vick is, Schaub is still not the real deal. He might be, given time, but too many reports seem to rehash whats been reported without seeing him play. I think he is more like Billy Volek. Can throw for lot of yards, but bottom line, doesn't do much for winning the game.


i know a few falcon fans who wanted him gone after that game.lol

the last pass he threw on 4th down was.............:eek:
 

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I don't fancy Vick at all and think he is way overrated. But having said that, whats winning games? How many games did Schaub win for them? From what I watched, and I watched more than a game that Schaub played, he is Ok, but bottom line, doesn't get you a win.

Like another posters pointed out, his Seattle game was just bad. I was one of the those guys who thought Schaub would do better than vick. But boy, as bad as Vick is, Schaub is still not the real deal. He might be, given time, but too many reports seem to rehash whats been reported without seeing him play. I think he is more like Billy Volek. Can throw for lot of yards, but bottom line, doesn't do much for winning the game.

bottom line is its one game...he hasnt got enough practice or PT yet

I can pick out one game here and there for anyone and come the conclusion (usually wrong) about them...my opinion of Schaub is because of what I saw him do in a fairly complex offense at UVA and in preseason games with Atlanta, as well as what he did vs New England this yr...

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dbair1967 said:
bottom line is its one game...he hasnt got enough practice or PT yet

I can pick out one game here and there for anyone and come the conclusion (usually wrong) about them...my opinion of Schaub is because of what I saw him do in a fairly complex offense at UVA and in preseason games with Atlanta, as well as what he did vs New England this yr...

David

ANd I have seen them as well, not the game against NE, but I am aware what he did and was impressed with that. But really, NE wasn't playing NE defense if I remember right at that time. Too many players injured, but I could wrong on that timing.

Either way, yeah, I have been impressed in the times I saw, his first season specifically. But on closer inspection, regular season, he didn't impress me as much, i.e. in way that I Would think he would be Franchise type player or really good QB like a Hassleback etc. like I thought he might be. I could be wrong on that eventually, but I am not impressed with him anymore. I was one of those saying he could be next Tom Brady too originally.
 

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Like I've said since the first time I read Schaub mentioned on any board in relation to us, he just doesn't fit.

Schaub has ran the WCO since he finally became a 'name' player in the ACC during his Junior year. Bill Musgrave was his OC at the time, and Schaub became one of the best collegiate QB's in that offense. Now in Atlanta, he is still running the WCO which leads many people to believe he is a good young QB. The thing is, alot of QB's who suddenly pop-up running that offense are thanks to being a product of the system.

To say Schaub is a safe bet is a stretch, he's more of a risk than anything, unless of course you are giving up a late round pick, which the Falcons would never go for.
 

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dbair1967 said:
bottom line is its one game...he hasnt got enough practice or PT yet

I can pick out one game here and there for anyone and come the conclusion (usually wrong) about them...my opinion of Schaub is because of what I saw him do in a fairly complex offense at UVA and in preseason games with Atlanta, as well as what he did vs New England this yr...

David

I agree, I could pick out many of Vicks games such as both games aginst Carolina, Chicago that he looked very poor. As for Matt Schaub he has 2 career starts and the seattle game some are talking about he threw 1 pass in the game that he did not start to begin with. He had 1 start this past season aginst NE going 18 of 34 for 298 and 3 TD passes on the day
 

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Doomsday101 said:
I agree, I could pick out many of Vicks games such as both games aginst Carolina, Chicago that he looked very poor. As for Matt Schaub he has 2 career starts and the seattle game some are talking about he threw 1 pass in the game that he did not start to begin with. He had 1 start this past season aginst NE going 18 of 34 for 298 and 3 TD passes on the day

They must be thinking of the Seattle game from his rookie season and even that wasn't too bad.
 

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They must be thinking of the Seattle game from his rookie season and even that wasn't too bad.

That is what I find funny is that the guy has 2 career starts but he is no good? I think when he becomes a FA I don't think he will have a hard time finding a team who wants him and I think he will prove a lot of people wrong including Alt.
 

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ridiculous...Schaub is a loser....just look at ATlanta's record when he plays for Vick....he's not even in the class of the top 3 QB's in the draft. I'd be thrilled with drafting Charlie Whitehurst before trading for Schaub.
 
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