ARTICLE: Schrager Rates Quinn Lower Than Last Years QB's

[burmafrd]

Good effort Wrangler, but don't wear yourself out trying to tell the whole story. So many in this day and age are used to all trying to tell the story the way THEY want it to be; thus leaving out a lot of facts that do not fit their agenda. Its like the idea that BQ padded his stats against the service academies. Of course he padded his stats against lesser teams- JUST LIKE EVERY QB THAT HAS EVER PLAYED. Though you can as Boston College about Navy (BC was dead lucky to win their bowl game with the Middies). Ask Tennessee about Air Force (just barely escaped with a win). Look at the Big Ten teams that played BUffalo and Central Michigan and Akron, etc. ND has only played all 3 of the service academies in the same year 3 times in the last 30 years. Yet the haters claim they do it all the time; and conviently ignore the patsies their own teams play. One thing about the service academies- you will NEVER SEE THEM QUIT. Right to the last second and the last play they give 110%.

 

[jterrell]

http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/players/playerpage/419111


Funny how you left out Penn State, Georgia Tech, Purdue, UCLA, and Michigan State.


10/21vs UCLAW 20-1745276030411.320

09/30vs PurdueW 35-21382976.331610.920


09/23@ Michigan StateW 40-37362055.63191651

09/09vs Penn StateW 41-17362569.428711.530
09/02@ Georgia TechW 14-10382360.524610.70091.3








Georgia Tech, Penn State and UCLA were ranked in the top 25 when they played Notre Dame, and Michigan State was right on the edge when they played Notre Dame.

But the stats in those games don't support you agenda, so....

You also might be interested to know that two of his interceptions in the Michiagan game were passses that bounced off his TE and RB's hands into the air.

Add to that the fact that two dropped short slant passes that would have been TD's in both the LSU and USC games, and take into account the other 27 dropped passes he suffered from throughout the season. Point is, Brady Quinn cannot control the fact that he was a few teams that were superior to his in talent on both sides of the ball, and still managed a 10-3 record, losing only to teams ranked in the top five in the nation, two of which were ranked in the top three. Basically, Notre Dame lost to the three of the top four teams in the nation, and no one else.

You see, you can tell half the story all of the time, but in the end all you get is....half the story. But that's okay if half the story is all you want people to know.

He had a poor season in an underachieving year for the Domers. Don't think there is any real need to do funny math there.

He could ultimately end up great, heck Tom Brady was getting pine time so the 3rd bagger Henson could get on the field.......

I was glad we did not keep the draft selection but I suspect if he gets in a good system he can succeed at this level.

The NFL scouts supposedly questioned his upside. I hate upside arguments because they are all theoretical and at QB that means big nasty guesses.

 

[burmafrd]

jterrel, what in the world would you consider a poor season? BQ had 61.9% completion rate, 34 tds and only 7 ints. If that is your measure of a poor season then you know NOTHING about football. When you add a D that basically could stop NO ONE, and O line that made ours look like the Great Wall of China thrown into the mix(plus one WR - McKnight, who had an uncanny ability to know just when to drop the ball- then add the pressure that goes with being the QB of ND and scrutinized and put under a microscope all the time, I though BQ did about as good as anyone could possibly expect.

 

[jterrell]

jterrel, what in the world would you consider a poor season? BQ had 61.9% completion rate, 34 tds and only 7 ints. If that is your measure of a poor season then you know NOTHING about football. When you add a D that basically could stop NO ONE, and O line that made ours look like the Great Wall of China thrown into the mix(plus one WR - McKnight, who had an uncanny ability to know just when to drop the ball- then add the pressure that goes with being the QB of ND and scrutinized and put under a microscope all the time, I though BQ did about as good as anyone could possibly expect.

Quinn threw for 500 less yards than the previous season and his pass comp percentage dropped by 3. His Qb rating dropped by 8 points.

The College QBs generally have great numbers.

But he was certainly not as good as anticipated. I am not suggesting he sucked and didnt mean to stir up his fanboys. If pressure of being a ND QB is high exactly what level of pressure is it being the Cowboy QB?

I can't even tell you who QB'd ND before Quinn.....

 

[Doomsday101]

Some thing happened along the way to Quinn. After the 2005 season you could not find many people saying Quinn would not be the 1st player taken or at least the 1st QB taken after this past season his stock dropped and he no longer looked as much like a sure thing. I like the guy and enjoy watching ND football but I had more doubts about him after this past season than ever before. I wish him luck (except for this season) but would not be shocked if he fails.

 

[masomenos]

Quinn choked in the big games

Against Mich............24-48 50% 234 yards 3 tds and 3 ints

Against USC............22-45 48% 274 yards 3td and no ints

Against LSU............15-35 43% 148 yards 2tds and 2 ints

Almost 300 yards, 3 TDs and no INTs is choking? Like I said, look at the amount of pass attempts in those games, it's an average of around 43 attempts per game. It's an issue of offensive balance. Look at Peyton Mannings games from last season when he threw 40 or more passes.

21-45 61% 276yards 1td 1int
25-50 50% 313yards 0td 1int

One of those games was a 5 point win and the other was a loss. Teams just can't be expected to win consistently when they throw that much.

 

[masomenos]

Also, people rag on Vince Young, but he improved significantly as the year went on in terms of his completion percentage and his YPG. His TD-INT ratio also imrpoved. Even if you just look at it on a month to month basis Young was a markedly better QB at the end than his was at the beginning.

October:
44 of 90 for 48.9%
466 yards
3 TD 3INT
61.6 QB Rating

December:
70 of 125 for 56%
876 yards
4 TD 5INT
72.0 QB Rating

That's an improvement in completion percentage of 7% and an increase in QB rating of 10.5 points. Give Young time, he's still developing as a passer and has shown signs of improvement. Now the Titans didn't really help him by getting rid of the teams two best WRs but Chris Davis should be able to replace Bobby Wade. Young may not progress significantly next year because of the youth at WR but in 2 seasons he should be a QB who is consistently in the 80s in terms of QB rating.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I totally agree with the Fox writer. Quinn is a worse prospect than Russell, Young, Cutler, and even Leinart -- and I'm a big-time Leinart doubter.

 

[Vintage]

Also, people rag on Vince Young, but he improved significantly as the year went on in terms of his completion percentage and his YPG. His TD-INT ratio also imrpoved. Even if you just look at it on a month to month basis Young was a markedly better QB at the end than his was at the beginning.

October:
44 of 90 for 48.9%
466 yards
3 TD 3INT
61.6 QB RatingDecember:
70 of 125 for 56%
876 yards
4 TD 5INT
72.0 QB RatingThat's an improvement in completion percentage of 7% and an increase in QB rating of 10.5 points. Give Young time, he's still developing as a passer and has shown signs of improvement. Now the Titans didn't really help him by getting rid of the teams two best WRs but Chris Davis should be able to replace Bobby Wade. Young may not progress significantly next year because of the youth at WR but in 2 seasons he should be a QB who is consistently in the 80s in terms of QB rating.

4:5 is not an improvement over 3:3

 

[masomenos]

4:5 is not an improvement over 3:3

I didn't say that was an improvement. I said that as the year went on his TD-INT ratio was better, and it was. In that comparison I was just showing how much he improved as a passer from the first month to the last month, and the first month had one last game. Young's TD to INT ratio over the last half of the season was 7-6, the first half it was 5-7.

I said Youngs TD - INT ratio improved as the season went on and it did. I also said that if you only look at the first and last months then you can see a marked improvement and you can.

 

[burmafrd]

BQ had a worse O line in his senior year. He lost Stoval and Fasano; McKnight was not as good as Stoval and Carlson was not as good as Fasano- and he missed several games. The Defense was actually worse as well. AND the schedule was tougher. And you wonder why his numbers were not quite as good as the year before.

 

[jay cee]

I totally agree with the Fox writer. Quinn is a worse prospect than Russell, Young, Cutler, and even Leinart -- and I'm a big-time Leinart doubter.

You are?

I was more sure about Leinart being a success than with any qb in recent history. I ranked him up there with Peyton Manning as a prospect.

Now I don't watch as much college football as many of you guys, but what I saw from Leinart in college was most impressive to me.