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When it all feels so wrong

By Ryan O'Halloran
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
January 3, 2007

Brandon Lloyd represents everything that is wrong with the Washington Commanders.

Yes, Lloyd wasn't the only problem in a 5-11 season that began with so much promise. Adam Archuleta will go down as one of the worst free agent signings in NFL history, Mark Brunell lost his job for the second time in three years and Clinton Portis' season ended after the ninth game because of hand and shoulder injuries.

But it is Lloyd -- a player whose attitude earned him two sit-down meetings with Joe Gibbs and who finished with no touchdowns -- who embodies the Commanders' troubled roster-building philosophy.

In surveying the wreckage of Gibbs' worst season as a coach, the Monday Morning Quarterback acknowledges the wretched defensive performance and the conservative game-day decision-making by Gibbs.

Things always come back to Lloyd, though. He cost two valuable draft picks, showing again the Commanders don't care about the draft. He was given a new contract even though he had a year remaining on his deal, showing again the Commanders don't care about players proving something before being paid. And he became a problem to deal with, showing again the Commanders don't always take into account character background issues.

But unlike a lot of Commanders, all indications are Lloyd will receive a second chance in 2007.

Question: Let me guess -- you and B-Lloyd didn't enjoy a cocktail to celebrate the New Year? Is he really that unlikeable?
Answer: Lloyd was probably convalescing at home with his bout of bronchitis that sidelined him for the Giants game. Upon leaving Commander Park on Sunday, Lloyd actually coughed and then shook his head when asked to talk.
But he can at least take credit for the quote of the year: "I have an attitude that's great for a winning team." How would he know? He has never been on a winning NFL team.
Although Gibbs said otherwise Monday, Lloyd has to go.

Q: But this team has bigger issues than Lloyd. What's at the top of the list?
A: Defense, defense, defense. The offense held its own over the final seven games of the season, showing signs of becoming a consistent strength. It's conceivable no major additions will be made on offense. This offseason should be about fixing a defense that fell from the top 10 to 31st in the NFL.

Q: This year's defensive play reminds me of the movie "Babel." A star-studded cast with high expectations, but a story/result that stinks. What are some of the more pathetic numbers?
A: The Commanders sacked the opposing quarterback 19 times, the fewest in team history. They forced 12 takeaways, the fewest in league history for a 16-game season. They ranked 27th against the run, allowed a league-high 30 touchdown passes, gave up 5,688 yards (second most in team history) and had no player with more than one interception. And they went out with a thud, allowing 579 yards to St. Louis and 355 to the Giants.

Q: Gregg Williams had a bad year, and his coaching stock has plummeted like Phil Mickelson's confidence. How would you judge Al Saunders' first go-around with the Commanders?
A: Saunders isn't blameless, but he wasn't the biggest problem with the offensive inconsistency. Any player who says the Commanders' offense didn't need revamping is equal parts out of touch with reality and, well, stupid. The Commanders did score a lot of points during their five-game run to the playoffs last season, but -- and here's the rub -- they came against lousy teams.
Saunders didn't get a full deck to play with. He lost Portis in the preseason. The line struggled early in the season (necessitating the use of Chris Cooley to block instead of catch), Lloyd was a zero and Brunell played his age.
A telling moment came in Week 1 against Minnesota. On a third-down play, Brunell gave up early and threw it away. A split second later, an ESPN camera showed Saunders shaking his head as if to say, "I have to call plays for him?"
It took nine games before Gibbs finally changed quarterbacks and Saunders could begin using most of his playbook.

Q: Saunders and Williams are expected to return. But should Gibbs? His press conferences have been painful to watch, and his in-game decisions (the few he makes) are puzzling. Does Coach Joe still have the goods?
A: The jury is definitely out on Gibbs Version 2.0. He's gone 6-10, 10-6 and 5-11 in three seasons. The interesting thing about Gibbs is how differently he approaches things on Sundays as opposed to the offseason.
On Sundays, Gibbs is Mr. Conservative. In three years, there has never been a fake punt or field goal or surprise on-side kickoff. And the number of times he declined to go for it on fourth-and-short is mind-boggling.
In the offseason, he takes The Danny's millions and overhauls the roster, even in spots that don't need fixing. When Gibbs needs to be conservative, he becomes too aggressive; when he needs to go for broke, he punts.

Q: So despite Gibbs' willingness to make changes on the roster, there won't be change in the front office?
A: Nope. It would make too much sense, and it would require The Danny to cut ties with buddy Vinny Cerrato, which means a "football boss" isn't coming to Ashburn. And until Gibbs realizes he should concentrate on coaching and spend money on a football guy instead of staying at the Ritz-Carlton in St. Louis, the Commanders will be running in wet concrete.

Q: Speaking of running space, only a partnership between Rosie O'Donnell and Donald Trump would be worse than the Sean Taylor-Archuleta marriage. What kind of player will mesh with Taylor?
A: That's a tough one. Taylor has been through Matt Bowen, Ryan Clark and now Archuleta. Troy Vincent is under contract for next year, but he couldn't stay healthy in the half season he was with the team.
Whoever plays safety alongside Taylor needs to be charge of organizing the secondary and be a vocal leader. Maybe that's Pierson Prioleau, who missed the year with a knee injury. It shouldn't be Shawn Springs, who should remain at cornerback.

Q: The offense has only one free agent starter, left guard Derrick Dockery. He will be back, right?
A: One reason they want Dockery to return is that he likely will be cheaper than an alternative in the free agent market. And though he still draws too many false start penalties for somebody who lines up right next to the football, he's a better option than drafting and starting a rookie.

Q: I know you had to cringe when Gibbs lauded Brunell during his wrapup press conference. Should we assume he will come back as Campbell's backup, and how much should No. 17 be looking over his shoulder?
A: Brunell likely will redo his contract and return to the Commanders. The team should release him and go with Todd Collins as the backup.
Campbell should be aware that Brunell is still in the locker room. But he shouldn't be as worried about Brunell's presence as Patrick Ramsey was in 2005 (and rightly so).

Q: The bottom line is this season was a joke. Is there any reason to hope things can turn around next year?
A: Things can get better because, first, things can't get much worse and, second, an offense called by Saunders and executed by Messrs. Campbell, Portis, Betts, Moss and Cooley can be dynamic. It all hinges on the defense.
Even if the Commanders turn it around, it may be only to 7-9 or 8-8, and that probably doesn't translate into a playoff appearance.
 

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It is strange how they even expected Lloyd to be anything there. He wasn't drafted high. He didn't play well in San Francisco...what did they thing? He was all of sudden going to sprout talent because he got a bigger contract?

I have to say the current Commanders management is about the worst in football.
 

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bbgun;1284724 said:
A: The Commanders sacked the opposing quarterback 19 times, the fewest in team history. They forced 12 takeaways, the fewest in league history for a 16-game season. They ranked 27th against the run, allowed a league-high 30 touchdown passes, gave up 5,688 yards (second most in team history) and had no player with more than one interception. And they went out with a thud, allowing 579 yards to St. Louis and 355 to the Giants.
Combine this stuff with a Draft that is virtually traded away except for a piece here and there and I get a warm, fuzzy feeling.

Here's to building a team the right way. :thumbup:
 

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Hostile;1284742 said:
Combine this stuff with a Draft that is virtually traded away except for a piece here and there and I get a warm, fuzzy feeling.

Here's to building a team the right way. :thumbup:
It is amazing how each year Snyder does some of the dumbest things in football and wonders why he isnt winning. He thinks if he hires an all-star cast thats all he needs to make a great movie. Sike! He should have kept Marty and let him build his team.

They are now in salary cap hell and no draft picks to build on. He needs to keep Troy Vincent...cut LLoyd...trade Portis for a high draft pick...and spend that big money on someone like Freeney! A proven player instead of a potential player. Their philosphy sucks on how to build a team.

To think he had Marvin Lewis has the coordinator who had a great defense but instead hired Steve Spurrier, another potential guy!
 

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Don't be shocked if they fix the defense and it plays lights out next year but the offense sputters and turns out to be the weakness.

I have never seen a team flip flop so much as the skins do.

It seems like they have a weakness on one side of the ball so they go out and get some FAs to fix it, but when they do the other side of the ball suffers.

So in order to fix the other side of the ball the next offseason they go out and get players to help only to see the original side start to suffer again.

It really is amazing.

I guess it is a lack of consistency in the coaching staff and the players that come and go on that team but it really is amazing when you think about it.

Example...

The year before the offense was struggling but the defense was really very good under williams. So they go out and get the WRs to help out moss. (of course they did get two big contract players on defense as well). But I think the main focus was on getting WRs to help run the offense.
They also decided while doing that to get a new OC and install a new Offense.

So what happens, the defense that was the strength of the team the year before, became the weakness. I mean they had a couple of decent players in Clark and a pretty good LB they let go...they could have those guys and not messed with the chemistry. Remember it was the defense that was the strength.

It has happened multiple times since danny has taken over.

If I remember they signed Deion and Bruce Smith...they did that because the year before the offense was good but the defense was bad...well that flip flopped as well.

When that team is constantly giving up draft picks, changing out DCs, OCs or HCs, constantly bringing in high priced FAs and not resigning good guys they basically groomed...there is just no chance for the team to be consistent and grow.

I don't know why they can't figure that out, but I guess I should be glad they can not.
 

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sjordan6;1284886 said:
It is amazing how each year Snyder does some of the dumbest things in football and wonders why he isnt winning. He thinks if he hires an all-star cast thats all he needs to make a great movie. Sike! He should have kept Marty and let him build his team.

They are now in salary cap hell and no draft picks to build on. He needs to keep Troy Vincent...cut LLoyd...trade Portis for a high draft pick...and spend that big money on someone like Freeney! A proven player instead of a potential player. Their philosphy sucks on how to build a team.

To think he had Marvin Lewis has the coordinator who had a great defense but instead hired Steve Spurrier, another potential guy!

They are not in salary cap hell.

The closest they got to salary cap hell was this past year when people where sweating it out hoping the new salary cap deal would get done. And that was only a problem because in that scenario they could not use their method of pushing it off to the future.

So unless it comes time again to negotiate a new Salary Cap between the players/owners union they will not be in salary cap hell.

Surely most fans will realize that by now.

I have heard time and time again for the last 5-6 years how the skins were in salary cap hell but it has never caught up to them....and with the huge jumps in the cap that have been happening as of late it will not hurt them in the next few years either.

Cowboys fans need to get away from the old...they are in salary cap hell mentality and realize it is not going to hurt them unless the NFL can not come to terms when the new negotiations happens ever so many years.

However I agree 100% on your takes of the coaches.
They had marty and lewis there and let them go.
 

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They are not in salary cap hell.

The closest they got to salary cap hell was this past year when people where sweating it out hoping the new salary cap deal would get done. And that was only a problem because in that scenario they could not use their method of pushing it off to the future.

So unless it comes time again to negotiate a new Salary Cap between the players/owners union they will not be in salary cap hell.

Surely most fans will realize that by now.

I have heard time and time again for the last 5-6 years how the skins were in salary cap hell but it has never caught up to them....and with the huge jumps in the cap that have been happening as of late it will not hurt them in the next few years either.

Cowboys fans need to get away from the old...they are in salary cap hell mentality and realize it is not going to hurt them unless the NFL can not come to terms when the new negotiations happens ever so many years.

However I agree 100% on your takes of the coaches.
They had marty and lewis there and let them go.

Thanks you for finally letting the rest of the cowboys fanbase know that we are not, and will not be in salary cap hell for a very long time.

And yea getting a new OC messed up the chemistry the most. It is known though that it takes at least a year to learn the Al Saunders playbook and near the end of this season you could tell that the offense was kinda getting it down. Finished 13th or 14th in the league in total offense.

BTW, we still have our 1st round, 6 overall draft pick this year. It doesn't go to Denver for everyone who thought it did. I expect us to draft either Gaines Adams or Alan Branch to help out our d-line, and to get 1 big name FA, most likely Nate Clements (OVERRATED) b/c Danny is dumb, but I hope we get underrated CB Asante Samuel from NE. 10 ints (tied for most in NFL)and 24 pass deflections (led the NFL). He was a huge pro bowl snub and is a UFA this year, and I'm sure we could ship out the big bucks to get him.

Those and depth are all we really need. So I pray that the team FO recognizes this and doesn't go buck wild in free agency again.
 

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Ya know I like Asante Samuel too but doesnt he have a history of getting hurt every season? Whats it good for us if him and springs team up to be the best pair of CBs on the IR list? As far as Clements goes, well the whole league seems to think we will go after him, and probably pay a lot for his services too. It makes sense to go after him. Knows Williams' sytem, physical big corner, and doesnt have a history of getting injured a lot. Who knows what the heck we're gonna do. I mean over at ES there are even threads of us drafting Calvin Johnson for gods sake, which i wouldnt even be too opposed to if we werent 2nd to last in defense(i think).
 

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apickmans;1285309 said:
Ya know I like Asante Samuel too but doesnt he have a history of getting hurt every season? Whats it good for us if him and springs team up to be the best pair of CBs on the IR list? As far as Clements goes, well the whole league seems to think we will go after him, and probably pay a lot for his services too. It makes sense to go after him. Knows Williams' sytem, physical big corner, and doesnt have a history of getting injured a lot. Who knows what the heck we're gonna do. I mean over at ES there are even threads of us drafting Calvin Johnson for gods sake, which i wouldnt even be too opposed to if we werent 2nd to last in defense(i think).

I think the smartest decision would be to go after Roderick Hood of the Eagles, he's solid, and won't cost too much
 

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Articles like that make me feel great about the Cowboys.
 

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SkinsFan07;1285200 said:
...Those and depth are all we really need......

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

This stuff just never stops being funny.
 

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summerisfunner;1285380 said:
I think the smartest decision would be to go after Roderick Hood of the Eagles, he's solid, and won't cost too much

Summer, I suggested we get Hood to some of my friends but ive been watching him play a lot lately and I dont know if he worth #1 CB money that we will probably be paying him. He has given up the big play last couple of times that ive seen him play and thats def. not something we need here. Althought Hood is probably 10X better than Wright or Jimoh.
 

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BAZ;1285471 said:
Articles like that make me feel great about the Cowboys.

I'm pretty sure I can find some articles about the cowboys that you wouldnt like reading yourself.
 

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apickmans;1285547 said:
I'm pretty sure I can find some articles about the cowboys that you wouldnt like reading yourself.

As bad as that? Doubt it, but whatever helps you sleep at night.
 

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When it all feels so wrong

By Ryan O'Halloran
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
January 3, 2007

Brandon Lloyd represents everything that is wrong with the Washington Commanders.

Yes, Lloyd wasn't the only problem in a 5-11 season that began with so much promise. Adam Archuleta will go down as one of the worst free agent signings in NFL history, Mark Brunell lost his job for the second time in three years and Clinton Portis' season ended after the ninth game because of hand and shoulder injuries.

But it is Lloyd -- a player whose attitude earned him two sit-down meetings with Joe Gibbs and who finished with no touchdowns -- who embodies the Commanders' troubled roster-building philosophy.

In surveying the wreckage of Gibbs' worst season as a coach, the Monday Morning Quarterback acknowledges the wretched defensive performance and the conservative game-day decision-making by Gibbs.

Things always come back to Lloyd, though. He cost two valuable draft picks, showing again the Commanders don't care about the draft. He was given a new contract even though he had a year remaining on his deal, showing again the Commanders don't care about players proving something before being paid. And he became a problem to deal with, showing again the Commanders don't always take into account character background issues.

But unlike a lot of Commanders, all indications are Lloyd will receive a second chance in 2007.

Question: Let me guess -- you and B-Lloyd didn't enjoy a cocktail to celebrate the New Year? Is he really that unlikeable?
Answer: Lloyd was probably convalescing at home with his bout of bronchitis that sidelined him for the Giants game. Upon leaving Commander Park on Sunday, Lloyd actually coughed and then shook his head when asked to talk.
But he can at least take credit for the quote of the year: "I have an attitude that's great for a winning team." How would he know? He has never been on a winning NFL team.
Although Gibbs said otherwise Monday, Lloyd has to go.

Q: But this team has bigger issues than Lloyd. What's at the top of the list?
A: Defense, defense, defense. The offense held its own over the final seven games of the season, showing signs of becoming a consistent strength. It's conceivable no major additions will be made on offense. This offseason should be about fixing a defense that fell from the top 10 to 31st in the NFL.

Q: This year's defensive play reminds me of the movie "Babel." A star-studded cast with high expectations, but a story/result that stinks. What are some of the more pathetic numbers?
A: The Commanders sacked the opposing quarterback 19 times, the fewest in team history. They forced 12 takeaways, the fewest in league history for a 16-game season. They ranked 27th against the run, allowed a league-high 30 touchdown passes, gave up 5,688 yards (second most in team history) and had no player with more than one interception. And they went out with a thud, allowing 579 yards to St. Louis and 355 to the Giants.

Q: Gregg Williams had a bad year, and his coaching stock has plummeted like Phil Mickelson's confidence. How would you judge Al Saunders' first go-around with the Commanders?
A: Saunders isn't blameless, but he wasn't the biggest problem with the offensive inconsistency. Any player who says the Commanders' offense didn't need revamping is equal parts out of touch with reality and, well, stupid. The Commanders did score a lot of points during their five-game run to the playoffs last season, but -- and here's the rub -- they came against lousy teams.
Saunders didn't get a full deck to play with. He lost Portis in the preseason. The line struggled early in the season (necessitating the use of Chris Cooley to block instead of catch), Lloyd was a zero and Brunell played his age.
A telling moment came in Week 1 against Minnesota. On a third-down play, Brunell gave up early and threw it away. A split second later, an ESPN camera showed Saunders shaking his head as if to say, "I have to call plays for him?"
It took nine games before Gibbs finally changed quarterbacks and Saunders could begin using most of his playbook.

Q: Saunders and Williams are expected to return. But should Gibbs? His press conferences have been painful to watch, and his in-game decisions (the few he makes) are puzzling. Does Coach Joe still have the goods?
A: The jury is definitely out on Gibbs Version 2.0. He's gone 6-10, 10-6 and 5-11 in three seasons. The interesting thing about Gibbs is how differently he approaches things on Sundays as opposed to the offseason.
On Sundays, Gibbs is Mr. Conservative. In three years, there has never been a fake punt or field goal or surprise on-side kickoff. And the number of times he declined to go for it on fourth-and-short is mind-boggling.
In the offseason, he takes The Danny's millions and overhauls the roster, even in spots that don't need fixing. When Gibbs needs to be conservative, he becomes too aggressive; when he needs to go for broke, he punts.

Q: So despite Gibbs' willingness to make changes on the roster, there won't be change in the front office?
A: Nope. It would make too much sense, and it would require The Danny to cut ties with buddy Vinny Cerrato, which means a "football boss" isn't coming to Ashburn. And until Gibbs realizes he should concentrate on coaching and spend money on a football guy instead of staying at the Ritz-Carlton in St. Louis, the Commanders will be running in wet concrete.

Q: Speaking of running space, only a partnership between Rosie O'Donnell and Donald Trump would be worse than the Sean Taylor-Archuleta marriage. What kind of player will mesh with Taylor?
A: That's a tough one. Taylor has been through Matt Bowen, Ryan Clark and now Archuleta. Troy Vincent is under contract for next year, but he couldn't stay healthy in the half season he was with the team.
Whoever plays safety alongside Taylor needs to be charge of organizing the secondary and be a vocal leader. Maybe that's Pierson Prioleau, who missed the year with a knee injury. It shouldn't be Shawn Springs, who should remain at cornerback.

Q: The offense has only one free agent starter, left guard Derrick Dockery. He will be back, right?
A: One reason they want Dockery to return is that he likely will be cheaper than an alternative in the free agent market. And though he still draws too many false start penalties for somebody who lines up right next to the football, he's a better option than drafting and starting a rookie.

Q: I know you had to cringe when Gibbs lauded Brunell during his wrapup press conference. Should we assume he will come back as Campbell's backup, and how much should No. 17 be looking over his shoulder?
A: Brunell likely will redo his contract and return to the Commanders. The team should release him and go with Todd Collins as the backup.
Campbell should be aware that Brunell is still in the locker room. But he shouldn't be as worried about Brunell's presence as Patrick Ramsey was in 2005 (and rightly so).

Q: The bottom line is this season was a joke. Is there any reason to hope things can turn around next year?
A: Things can get better because, first, things can't get much worse and, second, an offense called by Saunders and executed by Messrs. Campbell, Portis, Betts, Moss and Cooley can be dynamic. It all hinges on the defense.
Even if the Commanders turn it around, it may be only to 7-9 or 8-8, and that probably doesn't translate into a playoff appearance.

Don't be surprised if the Skins win the division next year given the up and down nature of the NFC East.

Campbell is the real deal and they do have talent on both sides of the football....Gibbs is the problem and needs go. He's washed up like Parcells. :cool:
 

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As bad as that? Doubt it, but whatever helps you sleep at night.

Haha whatever helps me sleep at night. Good one. No not as bad at this one, but if you guys had lost one more game and missed the playoffs then yes I can pretty much gurantee that you would of seen articles as bad, if not worse that this one.
 

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apickmans;1285543 said:
Summer, I suggested we get Hood to some of my friends but ive been watching him play a lot lately and I dont know if he worth #1 CB money that we will probably be paying him. He has given up the big play last couple of times that ive seen him play and thats def. not something we need here. Althought Hood is probably 10X better than Wright or Jimoh.

that's the thing, you don't pay him #1 CB money, just get a solid corner in there that won't strap your cash, and won't hinder your ability to spend money on depth
 

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apickmans;1285592 said:
Haha whatever helps me sleep at night. Good one. No not as bad at this one, but if you guys had lost one more game and missed the playoffs then yes I can pretty much gurantee that you would of seen articles as bad, if not worse that this one.

Worse? The Cowboys didn't trade draft picks for players that didn't perform or have a bad statistical year. You did read this part right?


The Commanders sacked the opposing quarterback 19 times, the fewest in team history. They forced 12 takeaways, the fewest in league history for a 16-game season. They ranked 27th against the run, allowed a league-high 30 touchdown passes, gave up 5,688 yards (second most in team history) and had no player with more than one interception. And they went out with a thud, allowing 579 yards to St. Louis and 355 to the Giants.

C'mon, apart from the "set your watch by it December collapse" the Cowboys are a far bit away from these things being said about them.
 
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