Article: Wade Wilson was trying to treat impotence

[AbeBeta]

In my opinion the use of the illegal drug is more serious than the distribution of the illegal drug when you're dealing with adults.

Funny. That's not what the law would say.

 

[peplaw06]

Funny. That's not what the law would say.

Apparently that's not what Goodell would say either. Doesn't mean he's right.

 

[5Stars]

You're not killing them... assuming they are adults, they are killing themselves. Personal responsibility rules the day.

The gun salesman analogy still fits.

Now... bear in mind that the laws don't necessarily bring about this result. The government, in their "war on drugs," is trying to stop the rampant drug use by cutting off the distributors. Do I think that's right? It's debatable. The reason I don't have a huge problem with this, is because typically the people distributing are also users.

But as far as whether I think the distributor who doesn't use is more culpable than the user? No. I'm big on personal responsibility.

Not really because guns are legal...and drugs are not. :laugh2:


The point being that if you sell drugs you are perpetuating the problem. If guns are sold legally, at least they can trace it to someone. Of all the illegal drugs that are sold, I bet there is not a serial number on any of them!

 

[AbeBeta]

Apparently that's not what Goodell would say either. Doesn't mean he's right.

I really remain shocked that you think personal use is a bigger offense than distribution.

Can you seriously say that if it came out that Wilson was buying HGH for all the Bears' QBs that his penalty shouldn't be greater?

 

[peplaw06]

Not really because guns are legal...and drugs are not.

Some guns are legal, some are illegal.

Let's say the pharmacist also sells weed, and someone abuses the prescription drugs he prescribes. IMO in both instances the abuser is more culpable. The pharmacist is more culpable if he's selling illegal drugs, but I still think personal responsibility dictates that the abusers are more culpable in both instances.

I think America is a sad society in terms of maintaining a sense of personal responsibility.

The point being that if you sell drugs you are perpetuating the problem.

No argument there. I still don't think you're more culpable than the person who has the problem.

 

[peplaw06]

I really remain shocked that you think personal use is a bigger offense than distribution.

Can you seriously say that if it came out that Wilson was buying HGH for all the Bears' QBs that his penalty shouldn't be greater?

Greater than what? Greater than the Bears' QBs penalty if Wilson's not using? Absolutely not.

If he's distributing AND using, then up the penalty.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

with a reason like that, it must be true

I mean, who in their right mind would claim impotence and be lying?

 

[5Stars]

Some guns are legal, some are illegal.

Let's say the pharmacist also sells weed, and someone abuses the prescription drugs he prescribes. IMO in both instances the abuser is more culpable. The pharmacist is more culpable if he's selling illegal drugs, but I still think personal responsibility dictates that the abusers are more culpable in both instances.

I think America is a sad society in terms of maintaining a sense of personal responsibility.


No argument there. I still don't think you're more culpable than the person who has the problem.

I cannot disagree with that...and here is why.

Everybody is a product of all decisions they have made in their life...

That's how it works, that is who you are...

 

[AbeBeta]

Greater than what? Greater than the Bears' QBs penalty if Wilson's not using? Absolutely not.

If he's distributing AND using, then up the penalty.

So a drug dealer gets the same penalty as a user unless he's doing both?

That's stupid.

 

[5Stars]

So a drug dealer gets the same penalty as a user unless he's doing both?

That's stupid.

All drug users should be be happy...

So should everyone else!! Sunday night....

 

[peplaw06]

So a drug dealer gets the same penalty as a user unless he's doing both?

That's stupid.

What's stupid is you in essence giving a pass to the guy who is actually using the stuff. Shift the blame to the guy who gave me the stuff. He's the one responsible for my problem. Take it easy on the abuser, because he's a weak minded individual.

Oh and another thing about the drug analogy. The abuser is typically the one seeking out the dealer. But he's less culpable according to you, because he can't help himself.

It's like the tobacco lawsuits... or the I'm gonna sue McDonald's because I'm fat, and they sold me the food. "I'm" never to blame in America. We love blame shifting.

 

[AbeBeta]

What's stupid is you in essence giving a pass to the guy who is actually using the stuff. Shift the blame to the guy who gave me the stuff. He's the one responsible for my problem. Take it easy on the abuser, because he's a weak minded individual.

Oh and another thing about the drug analogy. The abuser is typically the one seeking out the dealer. But he's less culpable according to you, because he can't help himself.

It's like the tobacco lawsuits... or the I'm gonna sue McDonald's because I'm fat, and they sold me the food. "I'm" never to blame in America. We love blame shifting.

It isn't giving a pass -- it is addressing the person who is getting the stuff to multiple people vs. the guy whose contact with the drug stops at himself.

 

[peplaw06]

It isn't giving a pass -- it is addressing the person who is getting the stuff to multiple people vs. the guy whose contact with the drug stops at himself.

I have no problem "addressing" that person. but to pretend that he's more culpable than the people using is misguided IMO.

 

[Bleu Star]

I will just say this. Goodell should be ashamed of himself if that is all Wilson bought. I mean if there were some kind of evidence that he was distributing it , it would be different but I have heard nothing about that.

$100,000 fine on this guy and bringing this all out in the open is ridiculous.

Exactly. I still laugh at the people that originally wanted to lynch Wade. (there were few thankfully) Do you still want to lynch the guy now? Or did one of those stones actually pierce the walls of your glass houses?

 

[StanleySpadowski]

I'd tell you I have your back in this argument Pep but it doesn't look like you'll ever need it.

They never made a dent into prostitution until they went after the Johns instead of the ******.

 

[peplaw06]

I'd tell you I have your back in this argument Pep but it doesn't look like you'll ever need it.

They never made a dent into prostitution until they went after the Johns instead of the ******.

Good call. That one slipped my mind.

 

[DallasInDC]

Why are the substances banned? Because the league doesn't want players gaining a competitive advantage? What competitive advantage was Wade Wilson going to gain re: the NFL...?? (I know, if he was using it to treat impotence, then he was gaining an advantage in the bedroom ). But come on. When the rules are so strict that you can't take mitigating circumstances into account, then there's something wrong with the rules.

Uhhh...maybe he was competing with the players for some of the same women?? This may have given him a competitive advantage...:


warning if you have an erection lasting more than 4 hours please consult your physician.

 

[Bleu Star]

warning if you have an erection lasting more than 4 hours please consult your physician.

Or get down on your knees and thank the good lord above.