Article: Wade Wilson was trying to treat impotence

[5Stars]

Wade Wilson is gone for 5 games and he lost 100 grand.

WP hired another coach that he's worked with to sit up in the booth to provide the set of needed eyes for the offense until Wilson comes back.

He got caught with illegal stuff. What his intentions were, only he really knows.

And, yes, somewhere (please don't ask me to find it because I probably can't...it was sometime during the discussion about NFL policy and player contracts), but I have read that coaches will be held to a higher standard for the mere fact that they are supposed to set the example for their players.

Regardless of what has happened, it's over...now everybody go outside and smoke em if you got em.

 

[peplaw06]

Had Wade distributed, he likely would have been suspended for far far longer. I said the rule was in place b/c of the potential to distribute -- I doubt anyone cares if a coach uses a substance for an issue unrelated to football. But having those substances potentially get into the hands of players is a real problem. The league can never definitively determine whether a coach distributed or not -- than can make a judgment as Goodell did.

I don't know how you can tell that he likely would have gotten more had he actually been distributing.... Did Goodell say something to that effect, or are you just defending him after the fact?

We didn't even know the circumstances surrounding his use before he was suspended. And I haven't seen a statement from Goodell since the suspension.

But as I posted earlier: The NFL's drug policy states that any league employee possessing or using performance enhancers is subject to discipline.

Even a lawyer could understand a clear statement like that.

Understand it?? no problem... but as far as looking at that statement and coming up with any prediction of what "discipline" to expect, or what the definition of a "performance enhancer" is, I got nothin.

That statement is far too vague IMO.

 

[sacase]

But didn't Wade think that he was getting them from a legitimate Dr?

I mean really, the man thought he went about things the right way and it turns out the guy was breaking the law. ok, so why should Wade be suspended and fined? 1/3 of his pay? come on that is overly excessive. the man was just trying to get wood, can't fault him for that.

 

[Hoov]

But didn't Wade think that he was getting them from a legitimate Dr?

I mean really, the man thought he went about things the right way and it turns out the guy was breaking the law. ok, so why should Wade be suspended and fined? 1/3 of his pay? come on that is overly excessive. the man was just trying to get wood, can't fault him for that.

LOL, trying to get wood. great phrase sacase.

While the suspension seems rediculous, i guess this is how the new commish is going to be. but where do they get the figures for the FINE, cmon, the guy is not a high paid athlete. i think the fine is absurd. in one way i can see the point of the suspension, OK Goodell has to set the tone and stick to his guns and follow through with policy, but i would think that there could be some leniency in determining the fine, there should be some flexibility there.

 

[AbeBeta]

I don't know how you can tell that he likely would have gotten more had he actually been distributing.... Did Goodell say something to that effect, or are you just defending him after the fact?

Huh? You don't think it is obvious that a coach who distributed drugs to a player wouldn't get a very long suspension?

Understand it?? no problem... but as far as looking at that statement and coming up with any prediction of what "discipline" to expect, or what the definition of a "performance enhancer" is, I got nothin.

That statement is far too vague IMO.

How is it vague -- HGH is on the banned list - he isn't allowed to possess or use it. Period.

 

[AbeBeta]

But didn't Wade think that he was getting them from a legitimate Dr?

I mean really, the man thought he went about things the right way and it turns out the guy was breaking the law. ok, so why should Wade be suspended and fined? 1/3 of his pay? come on that is overly excessive. the man was just trying to get wood, can't fault him for that.

This was part of an investigation of an Internet purchasing ring.

So I'd say no, he didn't get them the 'right way'

 

[aikemirv]

But as I posted earlier: The NFL's drug policy states that any league employee possessing or using performance enhancers is subject to discipline.

Even a lawyer could understand a clear statement like that.

And there lies the issue - is subject to discipline - does not say he has to be disciplined. I don't know of other things steroids could be used for medically, but if there are some other medical uses then if that is a viable or possible treatment for someone other than a player to use I have no problem with it at all when the substance is a legal substance in the US.

I bet he knew he was subject to it but figured once he explained it he would not get unfairly punished and "lumped in with the cheaters" as he said.

 

[Hoov]

Huh? You don't think it is obvious that a coach who distributed drugs to a player wouldn't get a very long suspension?



How is it vague -- HGH is on the banned list - he isn't allowed to possess or use it. Period.

peplaw is saying its vague in determining what degree of punishment is to be expected.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I agree with the five-game suspension.
To mess with a substance that would bounce his players from the league is idiotic, no matter what his intent was.
I do think the $100,000 is excessive for a guy who does not even make what a rookie commands.

 

[AbeBeta]

But as I posted earlier: The NFL's drug policy states that any league employee possessing or using performance enhancers is subject to discipline.

Even a lawyer could understand a clear statement like that.

And there lies the issue - is subject to discipline - does not say he has to be disciplined. I don't know of other things steroids could be used for medically, but if there are some other medical uses then if that is a viable or possible treatment for someone other than a player to use I have no problem with it at all when the substance is a legal substance in the US.

That's your argument? They didn't have to suspend him?

Why? Because he has an excuse for using it? HGH isn't a commonly prescribed medicine for his problem. I'm sure you know about cialis, viagra, et al.

The league is saying very clearly, don't touch this stuff. Period.

 

[peplaw06]

Huh? You don't think it is obvious that a coach who distributed drugs to a player wouldn't get a very long suspension?

Wilson's suspension was already longer than the standard player suspension for use, so what makes you think it would be higher if he were distributing? I think it's that you assume that it would just because Wade wasn't. But Goodell hasn't said that's the case. You are bending over backwards to come up with some excuses for the guy. Do you really think a distributing coach should be punished by a year suspension for a first time offense?

And if that were the result of a coach distributing, the NFL would be saying that the player who actually takes the drug is less culpable than a coach who supplies it to him. Makes sense.

I can't even fathom a coach would be stupid enough to actually do that anyways.

How is it vague -- HGH is on the banned list - he isn't allowed to possess or use it. Period.

You don't think the words "subject to discipline" are vague??

 

[AbeBeta]

peplaw is saying its vague in determining what degree of punishment is to be expected.

There is no CBA item governing coach suspensions - that's entirely up to Goodell. But as I've noted it is clear to me that a coach who distributed HGH isn't going to be working in the league anymore.

 

[AbeBeta]

Wilson's suspension was already longer than the standard player suspension for use, so what makes you think it would be higher if he were distributing? I think it's that you assume that it would just because Wade wasn't. But Goodell hasn't said that's the case. You are bending over backwards to come up with some excuses for the guy. Do you really think a distributing coach should be punished by a year suspension for a first time offense?

And if that were the result of a coach distributing, the NFL would be saying that the player who actually takes the drug is less culpable than a coach who supplies it to him? Makes sense.

I can't even fathom a coach would be stupid enough to actually do that anyways.

Again. If you step back and actually think for a second, it should be obvious to you. Distribution of a banned substance. Do you really think a 5 game suspension is what we are talking about there? A coach caught passing out HGH is not going to be working in the league any more.

 

[aikemirv]

That's your argument? They didn't have to suspend him?

Why? Because he has an excuse for using it? HGH isn't a commonly prescribed medicine for his problem. I'm sure you know about cialis, viagra, et al.

The league is saying very clearly, don't touch this stuff. Period.

Yep, thats my argument. They did not have to suspend him and fine him $100k. They did not have to bring public embarrassment to the guy. It was not necessary at all. I don't think it is the intention of the rule, do you?

The intention of the rule is to keep performance enhancing drugs out of the hands of the players.

I think it was stated that Viagara and Cialis don't work for some, was it not?

If a player had an excuse it would not be the same because along with that problem he may be trying to remedy, he is creating an unfair advantage in another way. Not the case for Wilson at all!

 

[AbeBeta]

Yep, thats my argument. They did not have to suspend him and fine him $100k. They did not have to bring public embarrassment to the guy. It was not necessary at all. I don't think it is the intention of the rule, do you?

The intention of the rule is to keep performance enhancing drugs out of the hands of the players.

I think it was stated that Viagara and Cialis don't work for some, was it not?

If a player had an excuse it would not be the same because along with that problem he may be trying to remedy, he is creating an unfair advantage in another way. Not the case for Wilson at all!

I see, so the fact is that he obtained HGH illegally and that is OK.

If those drugs didn't work for him, why wouldn't he ask his DOCTOR to give him something else rather than illegally obtaining HGH?

 

[burmafrd]

Dropping the hammer harder on coaches then players is reasonable. Coaches can do a whole lot of damage. They have a lot more influence then one single player does. Coaches SHOULD be held to higher standards.

 

[sacase]

If Wilson had obtained a properly prescribed medication for a legitimate medical reason, he would not have run afoul of NFL rules, league spokesman Greg Aiello said. Wilson will continue to be paid while suspended. Wilson said he earns a little over $300,000 a year from the Cowboys.

Wilson said he got the idea to try the alternative treatment after seeing a 60 Minutes segment last year about an anti-aging clinic. He took a physical exam, including blood work, last fall in Chicago, then talked to a Florida doctor on the phone.

"I thought he was a legitimate doctor," Wilson said. "He made a recommendation."

Wilson said he worked through the Palm Beach Rejuvenation Center and Signature Pharmacy in Orlando, two targets of the Albany DA's probe. He said he didn't remember the name of the doctor.

"There was a lot of naiveté on my part," he said.

Don't you think this is a mitigating factor?

 

[dillinger319]

Viva Viagra!

Ok maybe its just my twisted mind but you saying "viva viagra" along with you sig pic of Ware on top of Mcnabb in that position might not be a good statement...Some of us might get the wrong idea... lol...

 

[AbeBeta]

Don't you think this is a mitigating factor?

I don't.

Don't you really think he should know something is fishy when a doctor is prescribing without actually seeing the patient?

He's in Chicago - as I understand it, Chicago is one of the largest cities in the U.S. I expect one or two doctors work there that he could have seen personally.

 

[Hoov]

I don't.

Don't you really think he should know something is fishy when a doctor is prescribing without actually seeing the patient?

He's in Chicago - as I understand it, Chicago is one of the largest cities in the U.S. I expect one or two doctors work there that he could have seen personally.

i agree. he's playing a little more innocent and naive than he is. it was totally shady, the route he used to get the cocktail. If its me, as im purchasing the product ive already formulated the "i thought he was a legitamate doctor" defense.