Article: Wade Wilson was trying to treat impotence

[SultanOfSix]

Goodell blew it on this one. Now people can argue inconsistency and that doesn't look good at all when you're trying to be objective and fair.

 

[AbeBeta]

What? You can't feign some sort of ignorance here. The two situations are comparable enough and the implications of each are sufficient to realize that a player taking HGH deserves a more serious punishment than a coach taking something for impotence.

Doesn't matter why they SAY they are taking them. Reason being we will never be 100% sure of WHY someone is taking the substance. I certainly don't think Wade is lying but you can be damn sure that if a coach were buying HGH and distributing it to players that he'd have a compelling lie ready to roll.

 

[Hostile]

His, or Rex Grossman's?


It had to be asked.

 

[theogt]

Doesn't matter why they SAY they are taking them. Reason being we will never be 100% sure of WHY someone is taking the substance. I certainly don't think Wade is lying but you can be damn sure that if a coach were buying HGH and distributing it to players that he'd have a compelling lie ready to roll.

You can't say what Goodell bases his decisions on because we don't know.

 

[AbeBeta]

Why are the substances banned? Because the league doesn't want players gaining a competitive advantage? What competitive advantage was Wade Wilson going to gain re: the NFL...?? (I know, if he was using it to treat impotence, then he was gaining an advantage in the bedroom ). But come on. When the rules are so strict that you can't take mitigating circumstances into account, then there's something wrong with the rules.

Again -- we don't know for sure WHY Wade had the substances.

There exists the possibility that a coach could acquire the substances for distribution to players. Players would keep tight lipped over this b/c since there is no reliable urine testing for HGH, the only way they would get caught is an admission (or by buying it themselves like Rodney Harrison). So the league had to be very strict on anyone who acquires it.

 

[peplaw06]

Doesn't matter why they SAY they are taking them. Reason being we will never be 100% sure of WHY someone is taking the substance. I certainly don't think Wade is lying but you can be damn sure that if a coach were buying HGH and distributing it to players that he'd have a compelling lie ready to roll.

Well I could see you having a point if Wade were getting enough HGH to be distributing it. This article says though that the amounts he was getting were amounts "consistent with personal use."

You have to look at all the facts. you can't just see HGH!!! and then just assume the worst, despite facts to the contrary.

 

[AbeBeta]

You can't say what Goodell bases his decisions on because we don't know.

No we don't.

But anyone who uses logic and reason can see pretty clearly that possible distribution to players is the real concern here.

 

[AbeBeta]

Well I could see you having a point if Wade were getting enough HGH to be distributing it. This article says though that the amounts he was getting were amounts "consistent with personal use."

You have to look at all the facts. you can't just see HGH!!! and then just assume the worst, despite facts to the contrary.

Personal use could be for himself. Or for one player.

 

[theogt]

No we don't.

But anyone who uses logic and reason can see pretty clearly that possible distribution to players is the real concern here.

So, possible distribution, though unlikely, merits a more severe punishment than actual use by a player?

Oh my.

By the way, Goodell said that he believed Wilson took them for his own personal use and did not have any intent to distribute to players.

 

[peplaw06]

Personal use could be for himself. Or for one player.

Yeah and to cover for that one player, who is no longer coached by Wade, he lies and says that he is treating his impotence. Srsly.

 

[iceberg]

He's not a player so you can't compare the length of the suspension.

He got suspended and the going rate is now set at 5 games, 100k. You can squak about fairness if another coach in the same situations gets a different suspension. Wade frankly, dodged a bullet here, I wouldn't have been surprised if he got an entire year off. These are banned substances -- someone who oversees NFL players had no business having them.

yo - aberanal...after reading this i feel bad for wilson. not as a coach, i still don't think he's a good one. but if all he's trying to do is live a "normal" life and he thinks he's going through proper channels, how can you punish him like someone who *knows* what they're doing is wrong?

i'm willing to bet a dozen twinkies you'd never want your own life judged as harshly as you're doing now. but i'll double that bet that you'll find some excuse to be just as anal as you're being now and it won't matter cause no one is after YOU.

i feel bad for wade for all this to be in the news for others to bounce his personal life around in a forum and be judge and jury.

get a life, ab.

 

[aikemirv]

It is a substance banned by the NFL -- case closed.

We don't ask players why they were using banned substances nor does the league have any tolerance for guys who accidentally take the wrong stuff. Banned is banned. Why he took the substance is irrelevant. You start accepting excuses and the next thing you know, you are arguing that Shawn Merriman shouldn't get suspended b/c he claims he didn't knowingly take banned substances.

Treating people FAIRLY means that the punishment is consistent and not affected by excuses. Wade made a mistake and it cost him.

He is not a player - it cant be compared to Merriman - period.

 

[AbeBeta]

So, possible distribution, though unlikely, merits a more severe punishment than actual use by a player?

Oh my.

By the way, Goodell said that he believed Wilson took them for his own personal use and did not have any intent to distribute to players.

Again, that doesn't matter. He can't have the substance.

And it does stand to reason that coaches are held to higher standards than players.

 

[AbeBeta]

Yeah and to cover for that one player, who is no longer coached by Wade, he lies and says that he is treating his impotence. Srsly.

Again, did I say I don't believe Wade? No.

But the fact is that coaches can obtain these substances, the league doesn't have a good test for them, and the league has to do everything it can to keep these away from its personnel.

 

[AbeBeta]

yo - aberanal...after reading this i feel bad for wilson. not as a coach, i still don't think he's a good one. but if all he's trying to do is live a "normal" life and he thinks he's going through proper channels, how can you punish him like someone who *knows* what they're doing is wrong?

i'm willing to bet a dozen twinkies you'd never want your own life judged as harshly as you're doing now. but i'll double that bet that you'll find some excuse to be just as anal as you're being now and it won't matter cause no one is after YOU.

i feel bad for wade for all this to be in the news for others to bounce his personal life around in a forum and be judge and jury.

get a life, ab.

Again, the issue is the substance is something that the NFL needs to keep away from its personnel -- primarily b/c they can't test for it.

Wade's situation is unfortunate but he's got to keep away from these substances. The NFL's drug policy states that any league employee possessing or using performance enhancers is subject to discipline.

That isn't so hard to understand. Now is it?

 

[theogt]

Again, that doesn't matter. He can't have the substance.

And it does stand to reason that coaches are held to higher standards than players.

No it doesnt. And dont give me any mess about distribution because it was determined that there was no intent to distribute.

 

[AbeBeta]

No it doesnt. And dont give me any mess about distribution because it was determined that there was no intent to distribute.

I didn't say he intended to distribute -- I said one of the reasons why coaches are subject to discipline is the potential to distribute.

If you don't believe the coaches are held to higher standard than players, then you can go and form your own team with Rae Carruth as your WR coach.

 

[peplaw06]

I didn't say he intended to distribute -- I said one of the reasons why coaches are subject to discipline is the potential to distribute.

If you don't believe the coaches are held to higher standard than players, then you can go and form your own team with Rae Carruth as your WR coach.

Look, the potential to distribute is obviously a concern. But if you look at the facts and determine that there was no intent to do so, then that is a mitigating circumstance and it should have lessened the punishment.

You can't stick your head in the sand and say you're concerned about distribution when you've already determined that there was no concern.
It doesn't make sense.

1) We're concerned about the potential for distribution.
2) We don't believe Wade intended to distribute.
3) We will punish him anyways, because he had the potential to do so.

I have the potential to go murder someone. I don't have the intent to do it. You shouldn't punish me for it because I have the potential. It's bassackwards.

 

[AbeBeta]

Look, the potential to distribute is obviously a concern. But if you look at the facts and determine that there was no intent to do so, then that is a mitigating circumstance and it should have lessened the punishment.

You can't stick your head in the sand and say you're concerned about distribution when you've already determined that there was no concern.
It doesn't make sense.

1) We're concerned about the potential for distribution.
2) We don't believe Wade intended to distribute.
3) We will punish him anyways, because he had the potential to do so.

I have the potential to go murder someone. I don't have the intent to do it. You shouldn't punish me for it because I have the potential. It's bassackwards.

Had Wade distributed, he likely would have been suspended for far far longer. I said the rule was in place b/c of the potential to distribute -- I doubt anyone cares if a coach uses a substance for an issue unrelated to football. But having those substances potentially get into the hands of players is a real problem. The league can never definitively determine whether a coach distributed or not -- than can make a judgment as Goodell did.

But as I posted earlier: The NFL's drug policy states that any league employee possessing or using performance enhancers is subject to discipline.

Even a lawyer could understand a clear statement like that.

 

[tunahelper]

Wouldn't a blond with large lungs be the answer?