As Cowboys fans, we should support Goodell wholeheartedly

cajuncocoa;4474931 said:
I'm sure this was posted here when this article came out near the end of February...it's interesting to revisit it now:

Troy Aikman Says NFL Will No Longer Be No. 1


The issues we've been discussing here lately were not mentioned (they hadn't happened yet!) but coupled with the issues Aikman talks about, he may just be right about this.

Maybe he was okay with not getting a Thursday night game. I wasn't and did something about it. To each their own i suppose but frankly they gross a little less twice as much as the next competitive league. They could drop a lot and still have a hefty lead.

i also don't buy his assertion that airing and getting good ratings in the current TV landscape will hurt them. Quite the contrary. Aikman needs to realize that MNF was an event because not everyone had cable and even those that did only had maybe 40 channels. I have 40 movie channels alone now.

just seems like fear of the unknown claptrap to me.
 
I can't get passed that boxing is somehow more classy than UFC. LOL. Boxing has had more thrown fights and has been rigged over money almost as much as Carny wrestling back in the day. UFC is making money because it's a bit more interesting to watch and FAR more diverse. Sorry, no intent on derailing this thread.
 
FuzzyLumpkins;4474800 said:
The NFL grosses $9 BILLION as opposed to much much less 30 years ago. A labor fiasco like baseball's 94 strike is what cripples a sport. The cap penalty helps the NFLPA down the road. Your post is based on nothing but supposition and the empirical data plays out the other way.

I don't think you could be more wrong and I was exactly in your corner about a year ago. I couldn't imagine anything threatening the game until I started paying attention to the whole concussion thing and now I have changed my mind.

I believe the OP is right in everything he says, I believe Aikman had a point about the popularity of football and I support Roger Goodell in his handling of the league right now and here's why.

According to just one article like this--

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports...ussion-risk-alarms-991054.html?printArticle=y

A high school player will experience 1800 hits to the head in one season of practice. In other similar articles you can read that Pee Wee players will take 400-600 hits to the head in a season. Incidents of concussions are up 40% in the last five years and it is scaring the hell out of parents. Kids now are more developed, they are in weight rooms in junior high school and even at 15 they are bigger, faster and stronger. I go into GNC and see high school kids buying a hundred dollars worth of supplements.

Combine that with the lawsuits from ex-players and the Bounty Gate scandal and I believe the league is very aware and very worried about the future of the game. I get it if some of you think this is overblown because I was you not that long ago -- but now I think this is a serious issue and it isn't going away.
 
erod;4474793 said:
The National Football League might be in trouble not too far down the road. That was the underlying message Roger Goodell sent out yesterday.

We've watched the NFL slowly deteriorate over the past 30 years into a league of showy, me-first, self promoters. We've watched as the inmates have taken over the assylum, as escalating salaries have undermined coaches' authority to run their teams. Basic human decency and expectations have been lowered to a standard not fit for general society. The police blotter is filled with NFL names on a regular basis, and the conduct on the field is disgusting at times.

The league has devolved into too many prima donnas, thugs, drugs, cheap shots, and general lawlessness. Too many players don't respect each other, their coaches, or the fans anymore, and most importantly, they don't respect the game itself.

And as we found out yesterday, neither do too many coaches and front offices in the league either. Blurried rules and complete disrespect of the opponent and the game of football ran rampant through Sean Payton and his staff. Ego gone wild. I fear that is far more common than we even know, as in, it's everywhere.

Holy moly, that was a beatdown that Roger Goodell gave the Saints. I knew it would be a heavy hammer, but that surpassed my wildest expectations. That was a loud message from Goodell to 32 coaches and GMs to "STOP IT! STOP IT RIGHT NOW OR YOU'RE NEXT, AND I'M NOT #$%^ING KIDDING!"

Good on Goodell, I say.

Players can no longer complain about Goodell's heavy handedness toward them. He just pounded coaches and GMs with suspensions at an unprecedented level, on top of hitting the Commanders with a $36 million salary cap charge along with the Cowboys' $10 million. Yes, Belichick got off light, but that clearly won't be happening anymore.

Truth be told, I think Goodell and the league are worried about the future of the NFL. With so much attention on concussions and safety, and now with paid thuggery in the light, how many parents will begin to hold their kids out of football? Why not play other "more respectable" sports? Goodell wants to nip that in the bud, so the talent pool a decade from now is still there.

Yesterday made me re-think the $10 million salary cap hit Goodell gave the Cowboys last week. I think Jerry should now just accept it and move on. What Goodell is doing will ultimately benefit the Jones family down the road, too.

Goodell is clearly trying to re-position the league for the future, so that the path is changed and the greatness of the league can be upheld. He doesn't want to see the competitive balance go the way of Major League Baseball, nor does he want to see football go the route of boxing, which is being overtaken by the neanderthal sport of UFC.

Integrity of the game must be upheld on all fronts.

My hope is that the league can keep its affairs in order, so that rules committees can continue to tweak the game itself. It's too offensive oriented, most of us agree, but once the rules are fine-tuned for illegal hits, perhaps they can be give back some of the advantage to the defense again. Very difficult process if you put yourself in Goodell's position.

People, including me, get agitated with Goodell and his god-like actions at times. But perhaps we're not seeing the big picture through his eyes. He's not just a figurehead commissioner like so many, and you have to respect him for that.

The league could be facing multiple lawsuits over concussions if steps aren't taken. Same for colleges and high schools, and if one or two cases win at the high school level, school districts will start shutting down football altogether. No way will academicians and city councils risk entire school budgets over a silly sport. So imagine the NFL without a talent feed from the high schools.

Likewise, the competitive balance of the league is what makes the NFL so great, and that must be protected. Green Bay and Seattle have the same opportunity to compete as New York and Dallas. Goodell knows that is a big reason the NFL is so much more popular than baseball or basketball, and he wants to stearnly uphold that, too. Thus, the punishment doled out to Dallas and Washington.

In this overly litigious world we live in, where everyone has their hand out at every turn, the NFL and its billions of dollars are a prime target, especially when everyone has an agent/attorney to take pot shots at that pile of money.

And so, I believe we should strongly support and celebrate Goodell's efforts, and yes, accept our measly salary cap fine and move on.

I want to be watching football in 15 years. Do you?

Yes, I want to be watching football in 15 years, but to me Goodall is more of a Napoleon than a savior.
 
Rockytop6;4475225 said:
Yes, I want to be watching football in 15 years, but to me Goodall is more of a Napoleon than a savior.

I understand your point of view on him but I also think that ANYBODY who has to be the one to change the culture in a decades long belief system in a testosterone driven sport was going to be the bad guy.

You can't tip toe your way through change in the NFL.
 
If Goodell wants to protect the sport of football, then he needs to put football back on the field.

Enough of all these rules taking away from the game because enough has been taken away already.

I am afraid this sport is becoming too wussy
 
IMO, The Cowboys will not challenge the cap issue because Jerry wants a chance to host another Super Bowl, simple as that.
 
I support Mr. Goodell's decision 100% I'm glad the hammer fell on the Saints and every suspension and firing is warranted. They need to go after the players regardless where they are at (NFLPA) or on what team. Keep going NFL best example you can make right now and make a hard statement "NO TOLERANCE"
 
Lodeus;4474884 said:
He needs to make sure 5 players don't throw for 5000 yards again. Its ridiculous, not every fan wants to see that kind of football and that is why I dislike what he is doing. I like seeing good defense and a actual running game.

Agree completely!!
 
The game itself now looks like watching a CFL game, except with 4 downs. Knowing Goodell, he'll probably propose 5 downs in the future and then claim 'it's what the fans want.'

Work stoppages kill the sport and the NFL doesn't have to worry about that. However, I think they are making the same mistake MLB made in thinking offense = more fans. It didn't in MLB and it doesn't in the NFL.

The problem with the current style and rules is that passing records get destroyed by multiple people every year. Thus, the game becomes very one dimensional which is boring after a while. And there's a lack of display of real skill because records are broken more to the rules and the system than due to actual talent.

You take those things with the league looking to get a London Super Bowl, which is a slap in the face of NFL fans who simply can't afford to make the trip and then possible talk of a London franchise, good grief.

Oh yeah, we also have the additions of much more NFL games on Thursday and now Saturdays. I think Goodell underestimates how NFL fans like the NFL because it gave them something to do on a Sunday. I think he'll wind up mistaking what college is doing, mainly because the teams that play on Thursdays and Fridays are usually smaller fanbase teams in games that are not that important. Plus, college is a different beast altogether.

I think he'll wind up thinking that the games popularity is so strong that they can just pimp it out at will. I think in the future he will wind up diluting the product and with such a different product it will be something that fans didn't really grow up on and many will quit.










YR
 
Can't stand Goodell as commish, but I do think he got this right. Kudos to him for it.
 
I just don't get how an NFL player can sue the league for concussions. This is a contact sport, right, or at least it used to be. I support the decision vs the Saints because bounties are a way to try to hurt the opponent with intent. These rules to protect receivers and qbs are a joke, they are called some times and not others. Seems always against us and never against our opponents.
The NFL needs to go to court and defend itself against these concussion cases. No one is forceing these guys to play. Boxing, NASCAR, USCF, Football these sports are dangerous, you know that when you sign up. Bring back the league that Roezel left you!
 
Yakuza Rich;4475619 said:
The game itself now looks like watching a CFL game, except with 4 downs. Knowing Goodell, he'll probably propose 5 downs in the future and then claim 'it's what the fans want.'

Work stoppages kill the sport and the NFL doesn't have to worry about that. However, I think they are making the same mistake MLB made in thinking offense = more fans. It didn't in MLB and it doesn't in the NFL.

The problem with the current style and rules is that passing records get destroyed by multiple people every year. Thus, the game becomes very one dimensional which is boring after a while. And there's a lack of display of real skill because records are broken more to the rules and the system than due to actual talent.

You take those things with the league looking to get a London Super Bowl, which is a slap in the face of NFL fans who simply can't afford to make the trip and then possible talk of a London franchise, good grief.

Oh yeah, we also have the additions of much more NFL games on Thursday and now Saturdays. I think Goodell underestimates how NFL fans like the NFL because it gave them something to do on a Sunday. I think he'll wind up mistaking what college is doing, mainly because the teams that play on Thursdays and Fridays are usually smaller fanbase teams in games that are not that important. Plus, college is a different beast altogether.

I think he'll wind up thinking that the games popularity is so strong that they can just pimp it out at will. I think in the future he will wind up diluting the product and with such a different product it will be something that fans didn't really grow up on and many will quit.










YR

Have to be honest Rich, I find myself growing away from NFL Football more each year. I love to go out and watch PoP Warner or YAFL, even High School football more. I even like College Ball more it seems. I think you are correct in your assumptions. The League is slowly killing it's fan base.
 
Skinsradiosucks;4475206 said:
I can't get passed that boxing is somehow more classy than UFC. LOL. Boxing has had more thrown fights and has been rigged over money almost as much as Carny wrestling back in the day. UFC is making money because it's a bit more interesting to watch and FAR more diverse. Sorry, no intent on derailing this thread.

UFC is human dog fighting. Nothing more.
 
erod;4474793 said:
The National Football League might be in trouble not too far down the road. That was the underlying message Roger Goodell sent out yesterday.

We've watched the NFL slowly deteriorate over the past 30 years into a league of showy, me-first, self promoters. We've watched as the inmates have taken over the assylum, as escalating salaries have undermined coaches' authority to run their teams. Basic human decency and expectations have been lowered to a standard not fit for general society. The police blotter is filled with NFL names on a regular basis, and the conduct on the field is disgusting at times.

The league has devolved into too many prima donnas, thugs, drugs, cheap shots, and general lawlessness. Too many players don't respect each other, their coaches, or the fans anymore, and most importantly, they don't respect the game itself.

And as we found out yesterday, neither do too many coaches and front offices in the league either. Blurried rules and complete disrespect of the opponent and the game of football ran rampant through Sean Payton and his staff. Ego gone wild. I fear that is far more common than we even know, as in, it's everywhere.

Holy moly, that was a beatdown that Roger Goodell gave the Saints. I knew it would be a heavy hammer, but that surpassed my wildest expectations. That was a loud message from Goodell to 32 coaches and GMs to "STOP IT! STOP IT RIGHT NOW OR YOU'RE NEXT, AND I'M NOT #$%^ING KIDDING!"

Good on Goodell, I say.

Players can no longer complain about Goodell's heavy handedness toward them. He just pounded coaches and GMs with suspensions at an unprecedented level, on top of hitting the Commanders with a $36 million salary cap charge along with the Cowboys' $10 million. Yes, Belichick got off light, but that clearly won't be happening anymore.

Truth be told, I think Goodell and the league are worried about the future of the NFL. With so much attention on concussions and safety, and now with paid thuggery in the light, how many parents will begin to hold their kids out of football? Why not play other "more respectable" sports? Goodell wants to nip that in the bud, so the talent pool a decade from now is still there.

Yesterday made me re-think the $10 million salary cap hit Goodell gave the Cowboys last week. I think Jerry should now just accept it and move on. What Goodell is doing will ultimately benefit the Jones family down the road, too.

Goodell is clearly trying to re-position the league for the future, so that the path is changed and the greatness of the league can be upheld. He doesn't want to see the competitive balance go the way of Major League Baseball, nor does he want to see football go the route of boxing, which is being overtaken by the neanderthal sport of UFC.

Integrity of the game must be upheld on all fronts.

My hope is that the league can keep its affairs in order, so that rules committees can continue to tweak the game itself. It's too offensive oriented, most of us agree, but once the rules are fine-tuned for illegal hits, perhaps they can be give back some of the advantage to the defense again. Very difficult process if you put yourself in Goodell's position.

People, including me, get agitated with Goodell and his god-like actions at times. But perhaps we're not seeing the big picture through his eyes. He's not just a figurehead commissioner like so many, and you have to respect him for that.

The league could be facing multiple lawsuits over concussions if steps aren't taken. Same for colleges and high schools, and if one or two cases win at the high school level, school districts will start shutting down football altogether. No way will academicians and city councils risk entire school budgets over a silly sport. So imagine the NFL without a talent feed from the high schools.

Likewise, the competitive balance of the league is what makes the NFL so great, and that must be protected. Green Bay and Seattle have the same opportunity to compete as New York and Dallas. Goodell knows that is a big reason the NFL is so much more popular than baseball or basketball, and he wants to stearnly uphold that, too. Thus, the punishment doled out to Dallas and Washington.

In this overly litigious world we live in, where everyone has their hand out at every turn, the NFL and its billions of dollars are a prime target, especially when everyone has an agent/attorney to take pot shots at that pile of money.

And so, I believe we should strongly support and celebrate Goodell's efforts, and yes, accept our measly salary cap fine and move on.

I want to be watching football in 15 years. Do you?
You will never stop kids from wanting to play a violent sport. It's what attracted it to me, and it's what has attracted millions to that sport over the years.

As for your thuggery comment, I guess you forgot, or didn't bother to watch games from the 30's on up through the 60's and 70's, 80's. Talk about thuggery, people cow-roping folks and body slamming them is as thuggery as it gets. And I'm pretty certain that money was passed under the table then.

Note to you; 2010's football is as wimpy as football has ever been. The only way to scare fans away is making it flag-football.
 
The NFL can't be ran this way ......its just not going to work by investigating one team and heading out punishment to only one team when they all lie and do the same....that's a farce and an underminding of the games integrity in and of its self........liberals like goodell has worked for years to create this monster through revenue share free agency salary cap and so on.......and now its becoming impossible to control .....good luck to them but every empire must fall through its own corruption.......they frivolously ignored a long time ago that this game is about the fans and from what I can tell alot of stomachs of fans are starting to turn......
 
Clove;4475956 said:
You will never stop kids from wanting to play a violent sport. It's what attracted it to me, and it's what has attracted millions to that sport over the years.

As for your thuggery comment, I guess you forgot, or didn't bother to watch games from the 30's on up through the 60's and 70's, 80's. Talk about thuggery, people cow-roping folks and body slamming them is as thuggery as it gets. And I'm pretty certain that money was passed under the table then.

Note to you; 2010's football is as wimpy as football has ever been. The only way to scare fans away is making it flag-football.

Your last comment is a common theme today, but I assure you that the hits today are far more violent than they were in 1975. I've been watching the game a long time.

Players and equipment are vastly superior to players then. Roger Staubach had 250-pound offensive lineman in those days. That's a fullback now.
 
Yakuza Rich;4475619 said:
The game itself now looks like watching a CFL game, except with 4 downs. Knowing Goodell, he'll probably propose 5 downs in the future and then claim 'it's what the fans want.'

Work stoppages kill the sport and the NFL doesn't have to worry about that. However, I think they are making the same mistake MLB made in thinking offense = more fans. It didn't in MLB and it doesn't in the NFL.

The problem with the current style and rules is that passing records get destroyed by multiple people every year. Thus, the game becomes very one dimensional which is boring after a while. And there's a lack of display of real skill because records are broken more to the rules and the system than due to actual talent.

You take those things with the league looking to get a London Super Bowl, which is a slap in the face of NFL fans who simply can't afford to make the trip and then possible talk of a London franchise, good grief.

Oh yeah, we also have the additions of much more NFL games on Thursday and now Saturdays. I think Goodell underestimates how NFL fans like the NFL because it gave them something to do on a Sunday. I think he'll wind up mistaking what college is doing, mainly because the teams that play on Thursdays and Fridays are usually smaller fanbase teams in games that are not that important. Plus, college is a different beast altogether.

I think he'll wind up thinking that the games popularity is so strong that they can just pimp it out at will. I think in the future he will wind up diluting the product and with such a different product it will be something that fans didn't really grow up on and many will quit.










YR
I agree.

Also, the game is not as good a measure of excellence as it used to be.

If you think of the NFL game as a test of which team is better, the current game is less reliable in differentiating better teams from worse teams. Games are now more likely to be decided on low probability plays and/or which team happens to have the ball with time left on the clock.
 
ZeroClub;4476037 said:
I agree.

Also, the game is not as good a measure of excellence as it used to be.

If you think of the NFL game as a test of which team is better, the current game is less reliable in differentiating better teams from worse teams. Games are now more likely to be decided on low probability plays and/or which team happens to have the ball with time left on the clock.

Good point and very true.
 
I'm not sure what Goodell could do about the style of play in the game. A little bit of it is the inherent "trickle up" aspect of spread offense rampantly used in college and high school. Coaches and organizations naturally want to adapt what their players are good at/familiar with, and when all your young playing and coaching talent is being culled from colleges running spread offenses it's going to start trickling in. I don't think it's a coincidence that the NFL of the 70's and early 80's moved to a power run game when all the colleges were running wishbones, single wings and I formations. Your freak of nature Herchel Walkers, Bo Jacksons and Marcus Duprees that were feature backs are now being moved to outside edge rushers and hybrid TEs.

Although I certainly agree the rule changes on defensive backs and the tick tack illegal contact penalties only exacerbate it.
 

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