Astounding allegations: Bill Belichick did something friendly

djtavo

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Of course, this "something friendly" would also be unethical and possibly a gross violation of NFL rules, but that's not the astounding part. What's astounding is the notion that Bill Belichick would do anything out of friendship, or really, out of any motivation other than winning. I've always seen him as the type of guy who would insist on being the banker in Monopoly, so he could steal money fake money.

The action in question is the Patriots' trading of Matt Cassel to the Kansas City Chiefs for a second-round draft pick. Why is this the source of controversy? Because everyone assumed the Patriots could get a lot more for Cassel than a lonely second-rounder, and because the guy Belichick did trade Cassel to is Scott Pioli, his old pal who helped assemble the Patriots championship teams.

The thinking is that Belichick traded Cassel to the Chiefs at a discount as a favor to his old pal Pioli. At least three people have outright accused Belichick of it, or at least hinted at it: Jay Mariotti compares the trade to Spygate and thinks Roger Goodell needs to take action, Albert Breer talks about the head-scratching going on around the league, and Tim Graham calls the trade "inexplicable."

Graham also reports, via Chris Mortensen, that the Patriots could have gotten a first-round pick, the 12th overall, for Cassel in a three-way trade that would've also involved Jay Cutler, but we'll get to that a bit later. In the meantime, here's a nutshell version of the two different ways of seeing the Cassel-to-KC deal.


1) The "This was an honest trade" side. Bill Belichick would never do anything to hurt his own cause, Cassel still had a lot to prove as a quarterback and the Patriots desperately didn't want to be on the hook to Cassel for $14 million this season, especially if they believe Tom Brady will be healthy.
2) The "Oh, this trade is stinky" side. There's Belichick's reputation as a man who, shall we say, is willing to bend the occasional rule, The Belichick/Pioli relationship, the reports that the Bucs were willing to go as high as a first-and-a-third rounder and not only did Kansas City get Cassel cheap, but the Patriots threw in Mike Vrabel as well.
The stumbling block for me is trying to believe that Bill Belichick did something for the good of some other football team. He's going to give some other team a discount, because he wants to do someone a favor? I just don't see it.
This is Bill Belichick we're talking about here. He'd cheat in a game of Connect Four against a poor orphan child. He didn't become the coach he is by doing people "favors."






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Can't stand that Bellicheat.

Still, I wish he was our head coach and not the Clown Wade Phillips.
 

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I heard they didn't want another round 1 draft pick cause you gotta pay these guys so much before they even step on the field as a member of your team. plus I think they dumped Vrabel's salary. Bill Belicheat did this to help his team not another.
 

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Rampage;2663559 said:
I heard they didn't want another round 1 draft pick cause you gotta pay these guys so much before they even step on the field as a member of your team. plus I think they dumped Vrabel's salary. Bill Belicheat did this to help his team not another.

I think that's the more likely scenario - much like an NBA type trade in that manner.
 

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Rampage;2663559 said:
I heard they didn't want another round 1 draft pick cause you gotta pay these guys so much before they even step on the field as a member of your team. plus I think they dumped Vrabel's salary. Bill Belicheat did this to help his team not another.

Right on the money. They weren't interested in 2 first round picks that they've have to pay a lot of money to. That isn't New Englands style. They do a great job of finding cheaper, sometimes older, players to fit what they need and they keep on trucking.
 

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Rampage;2663559 said:
I heard they didn't want another round 1 draft pick cause you gotta pay these guys so much before they even step on the field as a member of your team. plus I think they dumped Vrabel's salary. Bill Belicheat did this to help his team not another.

Yeah, taking much less than market value is sure maximizing that benefit. Take a look at the contract values of picks after the top 10 and you will quickly realize that is crap.
 

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So what? A team doesn't have to take the "best" offer that they receive, just like a free agent can give take less money to play with a certain team.
 

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GimmeTheBall!;2663557 said:
Can't stand that Bellicheat.

Still, I wish he was our head coach and not the Clown Wade Phillips.


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Yep, why would Bill want another #1 when finds talent in alot of other rounds.
 

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Rampage;2663559 said:
I heard they didn't want another round 1 draft pick cause you gotta pay these guys so much before they even step on the field as a member of your team. plus I think they dumped Vrabel's salary. Bill Belicheat did this to help his team not another.

im not buying that , if they didnt want 1st rounders to sign then they should have at least gotten a 2nd and a 3rd...or take the 1st and trade it for 2 2nds .....something like that...on draft day an extra 1st carries alot of power even if you dont draft with it
 

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dadymat;2663641 said:
im not buying that , if they didnt want 1st rounders to sign then they should have at least gotten a 2nd and a 3rd...or take the 1st and trade it for 2 2nds .....something like that...on draft day an extra 1st carries alot of power even if you dont draft with it

That's just what I was thinking.

They could have gotten more lower-end draft picks.

Or they could have traded for that #1 pick and then traded that for lower picks - even if the draft chart would have considered it a 'loss'.
 

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GimmeTheBall!;2663557 said:
Can't stand that Bellicheat.

Still, I wish he was our head coach and not the Clown Wade Phillips.

He's never coming here, he has a gig lined up at KC. ;)
 

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masomenos85;2663631 said:
So what? A team doesn't have to take the "best" offer that they receive, just like a free agent can give take less money to play with a certain team.
The free agent isn't going to be accused of collusion. It'll either be looked at as wanting to win a title, or giving a hometown discount.

Those lines of thinking don't apply here. It reeks of collusion.
 

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Now I understand why Dallas got a 4th for Ayodele and Fasano...
 

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GimmeTheBall!;2663557 said:
Can't stand that Bellicheat.

Still, I wish he was our head coach and not the Clown Wade Phillips.

Sorry but i can't sign that. Some may have their problems with our HC.

But having a cheater being the HC of our proud franchise i say NO! Even if he brings me 2 Superbowls every year.
 

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peplaw06;2663664 said:
The free agent isn't going to be accused of collusion. It'll either be looked at as wanting to win a title, or giving a hometown discount.

Those lines of thinking don't apply here. It reeks of collusion.

It's not collusion because no law or rule was broken and there was no violation of other teams rights. An NFL team is free to deal with whomever they choose. All the Pats have say is, "We felt the Chiefs gave us the best deal that fit inline with our team goals."
 

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masomenos85;2663631 said:
So what? A team doesn't have to take the "best" offer that they receive, just like a free agent can give take less money to play with a certain team.



No kidding.

The Patriots are under no obligation to make the best deal. Hell, they aren't even under an obligation to make A deal.

People just want to wail on the Patriots because they are the Patriots.


EVEN if Bellicek gave the Chiefs a discount, its not cheating. Its just a case of crybabies wanting to cry over something...
 

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peplaw06;2663664 said:
The free agent isn't going to be accused of collusion. It'll either be looked at as wanting to win a title, or giving a hometown discount.

Those lines of thinking don't apply here. It reeks of collusion.

It could very well be collusion to give the Chiefs a discount.

No one knows.

But its not cheating to take a lesser deal. It may be stupid. It may come back to bite the Patriots in the ***. But its not cheating.
 

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masomenos85;2663727 said:
It's not collusion because no law or rule was broken and there was no violation of other teams rights. An NFL team is free to deal with whomever they choose. All the Pats have say is, "We felt the Chiefs gave us the best deal that fit inline with our team goals."
I didn't say it was actually collusion, but it's at the very least suspicious.

I mean, come on... you mean to tell me that if a better deal was on the table for either more or better picks, and they took this one with lower and/or fewer picks, that it doesn't make you suspect something? I suppose it's just a coincidence that Pioli and McDaniels are in KC...
 

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peplaw06;2663735 said:
I didn't say it was actually collusion, but it's at the very least suspicious.

I mean, come on... you mean to tell me that if a better deal was on the table for either more or better picks, and they took this one with lower and/or fewer picks, that it doesn't make you suspect something? I suppose it's just a coincidence that Pioli and McDaniels are in KC...

McDaniels is in Denver.
 

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Yah, ok!!! That teams defense is prehistoric and they wouldn't want another 1st to rebuild it? The 12th overall pick is just out of the top 10 and trumps that ridiculous signing bonus theory. Lets see here: Bowe, Gonzalez and Larry Johnson. A solid QB with a good o-line can reak havoc with that talent. KC gets their o-line going and that's a very good offense and they have a solid backup QB as long as Thigpen stays aboard. They still have that 1st round pick to get them another impact player on either side of the ball too. A solid LT like Oher is precited to be around at that pick. Even 1 of the other dynamic WR's after Crabtree ie, Maclin. Orakpo on defense is another consideration. Pick 12 is 1 of th better picks to have for the money since the level of talent from 5-12 is not extremely different.
 
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