At a glance Rob Ryan defenses vs Rod Marinelli defenses

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robjay04 said:
So neither are very good...

To be fair—-Ryan had a lot more to work with. An established defensive line and Jerry signed the top corner and drafted the top corner for him right away.
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That doomed Rob. He got his corners. They didn't matter. He was immediately fired.

Then everybody celebrated the scheme switch and the arrival of Marinelli.

Do at least some of you ever feel silly when you look back on stuff like this?
 
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Risen Star said:
That doomed Rob. He got his corners. They didn't matter. He was immediately fired.

Then everybody celebrated the scheme switch and the arrival of Marinelli.

Do at least some of you ever feel silly when you look back on stuff like this?
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So your saying the fat lady has sung. Maybe your lost at the opera.
 
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alarming stat because this is reason Romo Teams didn't get to Super Bowl and will be reason Dak wont. I think it time we (me included) take Marinelli off pedestal because he has better running game to keep his defense off field and still his numbers are almost identical to Ryans. Remember we thought Ryan was terrible but these stats point out how we are willing to accept certain people longer based on reputation.
 
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DakPresgoat said:
Yes and that was thanks to Mike Zimmer. Who is one heck of a football coach.
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Look at Zimmer's defense in 2004 - 2006. It wasn't good. '04 was one of the worst defensive teams in Cowboys history. '06 we couldn't figure out how to stop a fullback from catching passes wide open out of the backfield. The same when he went to Atlanta in '07...lousy defense.

It wasn't until Zimmer started working for Marvin Lewis, one of the best D-Coordinators in the league in the past 30 years that Zimmer's defenses took off. When Zimmer was with Atlanta for that 1 season he did an interview and was a big proponent of stopping the run and thought stopping the pass was just an ancillary thing to worry about. The same when he was with Dallas.

I think he clearly learned a lot from Lewis (who has the 2nd best defense in the league right now) and changed his defensive philosophy for the better. Good for him, but he wasn't nearly this good of a defensive coach when he was with us and he needed to go because he was never going to develop into the coach he is now.





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Aven8 said:
Very similar stats......however Ryan had way more toys to play with as well.
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Most of them were injured though. When we got Brandon Carr, we had to play him at safety which he hadn't played since high school because we had so many injuries. We were bringing guys out of retirement and trying to get whomever we could just to fill a roster.

I am more indifferent about Rob. He had some brilliant schematics, but he also had the tendency to put the cart before the horse in some of his coverages for his blitzes. I had more of an issue with him struggling to get the right people on the field which would cause 12-men on the field penalties and even worse, blown assignments.

But it wasn't like he had no competency as a D-Coordinator.

I was for the switch because offenses were changing and I felt (and still feel) that the 4-3 is likely the better way to defend the shotgun 00, 10, and 11 personnel with quick passes as well as defending RPO's/read option looks. I'd basically rather have my best 4 pass rushers going after the QB almost every snap than have 1 of my 2 best pass rushers in coverage 30-40% of the time. I also feel that the college game is more geared towards producing 4-3 talent

As far as Marinelli goes...he and Kiffin were brought in because Garrett wanted a simple scheme. He stated that with the new practice rules from the CBA that they believed there would be more injuries and players wouldn't be able to catch on to complex schemes as quickly and thus a simple scheme would be best to remedy that problem.

Well, the league hasn't seen more injuries and so much of the rest of the league has been able to use modern schemes and have better defenses than what Marinelli has fielded.

To me, this defense will never get better until we get a better D-Coordinator, a better combination of a MIKE-SS-FS and we get a better strength and conditioning coach and program to cut down on the countless hamstring and lower back injuries. Until then...we're just spinning our wheels.





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How does anyone look at this and not see that it must be the players? We don't draft effectively for the defense. It's not anymore complicated than that.
 
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I don't want to hear anything about the "toys" Marinelli doesn't have, he's been here 4 years no more excuses for him or this organization. They've continued to pass on more talented defensive players in favor of "scheme fits", and they've been afraid of spending on defense ever since getting taken to the cleaners by Brandon Carr. Not sure why he or Claiborne are being cited as some great luxury that Rob Ryan was exclusively afforded as if both of those busts weren't here for Marinelli's regime too.
 

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Alexander said:
I don't think he cares about that side of the football, honestly.
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which is of course part of the problem since it seems Jerry does not really care that much either.

Marinnelli just is not a great DC. Without HOF or Pro Bowl players he cannot get it done. Now there are great DC's out there that ramp up really good defenses with moderate talent but they are few and far between. THAT is what wer would need to be better with what we have now
 
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