Attention all those that hate our draft!

[Doomsay]

I am not doubting that Walters Football is any less reliable than any other online mock draft. What I am saying is that it is beyond STUPID to use any online mock draft to determine if a player is a a "reach" or not, when they are only right half of the time at best..... With Walters this time, he was actually WRONG more often than he was right. And if you take out the first round (which anyone with half a brain can get 70+ percent of the picks right), these sites are LUCKY to get one out of every 3 picks right. Yet we use them determine if a guy was a "reach" or not....

In the real world, if you are only right 1/3 of the time, you are a laughing joke. Yet, alot of people use mock drafts which are only right 1/3 of the time as gospel truth.....

Yup, upon further review, I agree with you.

I thought that I was supporting someone that was getting pounded for using that on-line source. The walter site is useful in that it lists 12-15 players by position, so It probably made it easier to quote for the latter rounds. Looking at a complete draft, I'm sure nobody is very useful Walter Floyd, Harry or Rich.

It was an interesting evening looking at all of the free draft sites, everything kind of goes to crap after the first 2 rounds - like you suggest. We had 2 picks in the real top 100, so it's hard to even use those sites to shed light on the majority of our picks - top rated analysts tend to start contracting each other after the first two rounds.

There is obviously a real correlation between a player's actual draft round and his ultimate success in the NFL, especially at the upper levels. Beyond a player's college success and physical/mental composition, the teams are presumably bringing in athletes that will succeed within their systems. I'd imagine that last idiosyncratic element would be next to impossible for a non-scout to handicap. It would be interesting to see how accurate non-team sources do vs the teams in predicting 3-5-7 year success of their respective top 3-5 round picks.

 

[Bach]

I guess they wanted us to ignore the past 15 or so drafts, well excluding the Parcells years. But we're just mindless haters with no justification behind it. Some fans have a real short memory.

The fact we haven't won even one playoff game in the last 13 is apparently just due to some dumb luck and apparently has nothing to do with the man in charge and the decisions he's made. It's funny how they claim there is blind hate. Anyone with that track record would've been fired years ago if he weren't also the owner.

 

[SMCowboy]

Sooooo, where is all this "luck" when Jethro doesn't have a legit coach on hand to work the draft. Reading what you say sounds as if Jethro overcame Bill in these drafts. I guess you read all these "facts" from the Jethro PR spin manual. Bill's drafting and coaching is the only reason this team has even had a chance the last few years.

all the "luck" is:
Felix Jones
Mike Jenkins
Martellus Bennett
Tashard Choice
Orlando Scandrick

Which is MUCH better than any draft that we even had under Bill Parcells.

And despite what you say, Felix Jones was not a no brainer. There were alot of Cowboy fans that wanted to skin Jerry Jones alive for not only taking Felix Jones in the first round, but also pass on the "GREAT" Rashard Mendenhall to draft Felix Jones.

I am not saying that as a whole, this team is not MUCH better off because of Bill Parcells time in Dallas. But, to act like it is only Bill Parcells as the reason we have great drafts is stupid. And the part about who Bill Parcells wanted to draft comes from the Dallas media who loves nothing more than to bash Jerry Jones.

 

[SMCowboy]

The fact we haven't won even one playoff game in the last 13 is apparently just due to some dumb luck and apparently has nothing to do with the man in charge and the decisions he's made. It's funny how they claim there is blind hate. Anyone with that track record would've been fired years ago if he weren't also the owner.

I definately am NOT saying that Jerry Jones is not responsible for the long line of 5-11 seasons we had before Bill Parcells was hired. But, if you look at the drafts and even more recently the moves since Bill Parcells left, without a bias that everything that Jerry Jones does is wrong. You will see that Jerry Jones has definately changed. Is he perfect, no absolutely not. But lets not pretend that he isn't changing.....

 

[Doomsay]

I definately am NOT saying that Jerry Jones is not responsible for the long line of 5-11 seasons we had before Bill Parcells was hired. But, if you look at the drafts and even more recently the moves since Bill Parcells left, without a bias that everything that Jerry Jones does is wrong. You will see that Jerry Jones has definately changed. Is he perfect, no absolutely not. But lets not pretend that he isn't changing.....

Jerry seems to have changed his drafting strategy a lot from the 5-11 days, or more likely has listened and deferred to more qualified people. I'm not sure that his approach to running the team beyond the draft has changed all that much though, he has gone back to the figurehead coach mode which is most troubling aspect of the post Bill era IMO.

 

[Bach]

I definately am NOT saying that Jerry Jones is not responsible for the long line of 5-11 seasons we had before Bill Parcells was hired. But, if you look at the drafts and even more recently the moves since Bill Parcells left, without a bias that everything that Jerry Jones does is wrong. You will see that Jerry Jones has definately changed. Is he perfect, no absolutely not. But lets not pretend that he isn't changing.....

If I looked at everything he did as wrong, then I wouldn't have consistently stated I liked last years draft. Nor would I have stated I like certain moves like signing Olshansky and releasing TO. So I don't get the premise that I look at everything Jerry does with a bias. I think I look at things objectively.
And if you objectively look at this years draft you'd see it is below average. And if you objectively look at the majority of the last 15, minus the BP years, most of JJ's moves in regards to hires and personnel were below average to out right atrocious

The problem isn't so much that I look at things with a negative bias, but that too many fans look at things with a pro-Cowboys bias and they can't see objectively with their silver and blue glasses on.

 

[SMCowboy]

If I looked at everything he did as wrong, then I wouldn't have consistently stated I liked last years draft. Nor would I have stated I like certain moves like signing Olshansky and releasing TO. So I don't get the premise that I look at everything Jerry does with a bias. I think I look at things objectively.
And if you objectively look at this years draft you'd see it is below average. And if you objectively look at the majority of the last 15, minus the BP years, most of JJ's moves in regards to hires and personnel were below average to out right atrocious

The problem isn't so much that I look at things with a negative bias, but that too many fans look at things with a pro-Cowboys bias and they can't see objectively with their silver and blue glasses on.

I feel that I am looking at this years draft objectively. The top two (that I know) draft lists out are Rick Gosselin's Top 100 board, as well as Gil Brandt's Top 100 board. If you look at the two boards, the only two players that we drafted that were not on one of the two TOP 100 boards are: Victor Butler, Manuel Johnson, Stephen Hodge and David Buehler. That is pretty solid considering that we only had two picks in the TOP 100.

I also have no problem not drafting Duke Robinson, Michael Johnson or Jarron Gilbert (even though Gilbert was not available when we picked at 69.) Because I personally believe in production over physical talent. And I definately do not like players that coaches question their desire to play. It was drafting the look like Tarzan play like Jane players that caused alot of our bad drafts 5 to 10 years ago.

And I do not believe that we are drafting for backups. But, look at our starting 22 players on offense and defense and tell me who we could have picked at #51 or #69 that we fully expect to beat out any of our current starters. I do not believe that this teams problem is the talent of the starters, I believe that our problem is that our depth behind the starters is terrible.

I also do not buy the super need for a Safety, I personally feel MUCH better with either Patrick Watkins or Courtney Brown as our starting safety if someone gets hurt, than I do with either Bobby Carpenter or Cory Proctor/Doug Free starting if we have an injury to either a LB or OL. And I definately do NOT feel comfortable with the thought of either Brooking or Carpenter being our starting LB in the nickle defense.

 

[BLEU3ASY]

The haters usually don't know why they hate ... they just do.

Preach on!!!!!

 

[DFWJC]

If you look at the two boards, the only two players that we drafted that were not on one of the two TOP 100 boards are: Victor Butler, Manuel Johnson, Stephen Hodge and David Buehler. .

:doh:
I get your point....