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Here's Nate Newton talking Cowboys with David Smoak about Ray Lewis and The Gag order out at Valley Ranch...

Big Nate talks with Smoaky

Nate makes an excellent point about Ray Lewis trying to come in here as a leader. These players haven't learned how to step up in big games for themselves, their head coach and their fans.

So why would we expect Ray to make a huge difference if he came to Dallas? I know Ray is a great leader, but this team and these players who have been flopping around for three years now have to learn how to win on their own.

And if they can't do so then maybe it's time to break down the roster and start over.

Nate also makes a very valid point about Wade being hushed up not really being that big of a deal in the big picture either because it's not like he was the voice of the team as it was.

Now I do hate the idea that the supposed head coach is muted publicly with a gag order because it just looks silly, but in the long run it probably won't mean much as far as the way the players look at Wade anyway. They know he's a dead man walking and they should know by now that there is no real head coach of this team.

As for Wade finally getting tough on these players and demanding great effort from them everyday in practice. I just don't see Wade Phillips not being Wade Phillips.

If he's going to do a 180 on these players then he's going to be looking at a whole lot of guys talking about him not being 'true to who he is really is' based on the philosophy he just instilled throughout this team over the last two seasons. And you can't blame them for thinking that way. You asked them to buy into it and when they did in wound up being a disaster in 2008.

Maybe in the end these players find a way to come together as a group and be their own 'head coach' in charge of leading this team to the next level when the 2009 seasons rolls around.
 

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dcfanatic;2651343 said:
Here's Nate Newton talking Cowboys with David Smoak about Ray Lewis and The Gag order out at Valley Ranch...

Big Nate talks with Smoaky

Nate makes an excellent point about Ray Lewis trying to come in here as a leader. These players haven't learned how to step up in big games for themselves, their head coach and their fans.

So why would we expect Ray to make a huge difference if he came to Dallas? I know Ray is a great leader, but this team and these players who have been flopping around for three years now have to learn how to win on their own.

And if they can't do so then maybe it's time to break down the roster and start over.

Nate also makes a very valid point about Wade being hushed up not really being that big of a deal in the big picture either because it's not like he was the voice of the team as it was.

Now I do hate the idea that the supposed head coach is muted publicly with a gag order because it just looks silly, but in the long run it probably won't mean much as far as the way the players look at Wade anyway. They know he's a dead man walking and they should know by now that there is no real head coach of this team.

As for Wade finally getting tough on these players and demanding great effort from them everyday in practice. I just don't see Wade Phillips not being Wade Phillips.

If he's going to do a 180 on these players then he's going to be looking at a whole lot of guys talking about him not being 'true to who he is really is' based on the philosophy he just instilled throughout this team over the last two seasons. And you can't blame them for thinking that way. You asked them to buy into it and when they did in wound up being a disaster in 2008.

Maybe in the end these players find a way to come together as a group and be their own 'head coach' in charge of leading this team to the next level when the 2009 seasons rolls around.
I agree with this.
 

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I can't say its silly but there is way too much emphasis on Wade leading the team with fire instead of water. Plenty of coaches aren't fiery leaders hurling down brimstone from on high.

I don't dismiss chemistry as its needed. But I'd love to see the team with Romo hopefully having learned a thing or two last year. And RWR on the team. All the RBs healthy. A healthy Witten. A big NT to help out when necessary. Yada.

Putting this all on Wade and lack of leadership from players is being simplistic.
 

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jobberone;2651997 said:
I can't say its silly but there is way too much emphasis on Wade leading the team with fire instead of water. Plenty of coaches aren't fiery leaders hurling down brimstone from on high.

I don't dismiss chemistry as its needed. But I'd love to see the team with Romo hopefully having learned a thing or two last year. And RWR on the team. All the RBs healthy. A healthy Witten. A big NT to help out when necessary. Yada.

Putting this all on Wade and lack of leadership from players is being simplistic.

I agree with you jobber. This team was thisclose to making the playoffs and being a double digit win team. Yes there are problems... but with a first place schedule, playing a murderers row of defenses down the stretch, basically without Felix and many other's, not to mention Romo missing games and being jacked up in several others, and more distractions than I've ever seen in my life... they still almost followed Wade to the playoffs.

He did lead them and he led a defense that was very close to becoming dominant. The players do listen to Phillips and they respond (for the most part) pretty well to him.

If he simply tightens up a little, increases fines and takes people out of the lineup when they deserve to be yanked (see: Proctor, Cory and Adams, Flozell) then I can see it making a difference.

No, Phillips won't ever be a strict disciplinarian... but we had that in Parcells and we still got worse results than when we did the last two years. Heck, I'm not so sure this team would respond any better to a heavy hand.

If Wade can come across like, "Well guys, we are going to drastically increase fines for small discretions and although I'd rather not... I'll take all your money if you can't show up on time... and if you're not getting the job done in practice or on the field, I'm not going to be nearly as tolerant this year. You guys should know how to practice by now." That's not being an in-your-face screamer... that is simply saying there are going to be consequences for mistakes and those screw-ups aren't going to be accepted anymore.

I can't see Phillips as a screamer/thrower type coach... but I can certainly see him pulling someone out and saying it isn't working. I can see him handing out fines left and right, and sitting someone for being late.

Will he? I don't know... but he (and Jerry) want it to be that way and really, I don't see anything stopping it from happening. I don't see the players thinking he isn't true to himself, either. Just because he's not letting them get away with as much as he did last year, doesn't mean that he's not being himself.

Do I wish he was more of a disciplinarian? Yes I do... but the fans have gone WAY overboard in how he is being viewed. He's one of the best defensive coordinators in the NFL; he didn't get that way by letting the players walk all over him.

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AsthmaField;2652417 said:
I agree with you jobber. This team was thisclose to making the playoffs and being a double digit win team. Yes there are problems... but with a first place schedule, playing a murderers row of defenses down the stretch, basically without Felix and many other's, not to mention Romo missing games and being jacked up in several others, and more distractions than I've ever seen in my life... they still almost followed Wade to the playoffs.

He did lead them and he led a defense that was very close to becoming dominant. The players do listen to Phillips and they respond (for the most part) pretty well to him.

If he simply tightens up a little, increases fines and takes people out of the lineup when they deserve to be yanked (see: Proctor, Cory and Adams, Flozell) then I can see it making a difference.

No, Phillips won't ever be a strict disciplinarian... but we had that in Parcells and we still got worse results than when we did the last two years. Heck, I'm not so sure this team would respond any better to a heavy hand.

If Wade can come across like, "Well guys, we are going to drastically increase fines for small discretions and although I'd rather not... I'll take all your money if you can't show up on time... and if you're not getting the job done in practice or on the field, I'm not going to be nearly as tolerant this year. You guys should know how to practice by now." That's not being an in-your-face screamer... that is simply saying there are going to be consequences for mistakes and those screw-ups aren't going to be accepted anymore.

I can't see Phillips as a screamer/thrower type coach... but I can certainly see him pulling someone out and saying it isn't working. I can see him handing out fines left and right, and sitting someone for being late.

Will he? I don't know... but he (and Jerry) want it to be that way and really, I don't see anything stopping it from happening. I don't see the players thinking he isn't true to himself, either. Just because he's not letting them get away with as much as he did last year, doesn't mean that he's not being himself.

Do I wish he was more of a disciplinarian? Yes I do... but the fans have gone WAY overboard in how he is being viewed. He's one of the best defensive coordinators in the NFL; he didn't get that way by letting the players walk all over him.

JM $0.02



:bow: :bow: I like this post. Well said **.
 

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I agree with Nate about the last 3 years with this team not stepping up when the pressure is on and when they have a chance to show what they're made of.
 

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DC, what really impressed me besides the stuff you talked about is this;

Remember when nate said, till the players actually hit in training camp, and he asked smoaky, when was the last time smoaky saw a real good hitting in training camp. Smoaky said, last one he saw in the mornings practices was last year with bill parcells as head coach, and that one was a goal line drill and the players really lit it up.

Right there, to me it says, these players havent hit hard in practice and have no ideal of how to set tempo for games. Remember what the cardinals and rams players said. They said, we could look at the cowboys body language and tell if we could get on top of you, you would lay down etc, just like what happened in the last game of the season in phily.

When it comes crunch time, this team has no ideal of how to set tempos.

That to me says it right there, and you sure cant run a training camp with no hitting the first 25 days of training camp like last year.
 

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Dallas;2652425 said:
:bow: :bow: I like this post. Well said **.

Same here. You nailed it, **.

Why people think Wade can't tighten things up just like you said is beyond me. No, he won't turn into a ranting maniac, but he doesn't have to.
 

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Chocolate Lab;2652768 said:
Same here. You nailed it, **.

Why people think Wade can't tighten things up just like you said is beyond me. No, he won't turn into a ranting maniac, but he doesn't have to.

CL. It's not that he can't tighten things up. It's more about the idea that he didn't do it until it was too late last season.

Why didn't this team come down the stretch with a tightened up attitude and win those last two games?

Because they weren't taught to tighten up and get their mind right at any time before so they didn't know how to do so.

Maybe Wade doesn't either.

I mean what does tightening things up really mean? Practicing harder? Being more of a disciplinarian? Running a stricter environment during the week? Fining players more money for being late to meetings/rehab sessions? Benching guys if they are sloppy and underachieving? Opening up some jobs for competition?

If it's one or all of those things then Wade is telling his team that he doesn't trust them anymore like he once did. He always says he likes to allow these 'men' to be accountable for themselves and sort of police themselves.

So what are some of these players going to think of Wade now when it seems he is now 'blaming' them for not living up to their end of the agreement he had with them for the last two years?

Will some of them just look at him as if he's not taking on the blame for the team falling short in 2008? Do they feel like they did what they were supposed to do last season, but that the problem was the coaching? If so, then maybe they think the coaching staff should change the way they do things, not the players changing the way they do things.

The point is that Wade is who he is. IMO, he's going to alienate the guys who were doing things the right way because now he is changing the way he does things instead of making the guys who were doing things the wrong way change their ways. Now because Wade was so loose on the bonehead players everyone has to suffer the consequences.

Example.

It's not like every player was late to meetings. So now if the fines go berserko the guys who didn't get one fine last season and now do so this season are going to be out big money because Wade allowed the BS to go on over the last two seasons.

If I am that player I am annoyed that I am now being punished because Wade wasn't doing things the 'right way' from the very beginning.

Why does this coaching staff have to adjust the way they do things because some players didn't respect Wade enough in the first place to do the right things and act accordingly? That's the question.

And now the guys who didn't respect Wade enough last season are now supposed to give him that respect in 2009 after he didn't even take the time to address them after the Phillly game, after seeing Wade's last presser in which he admits he gave these guys too much wiggle room, after seeing him fire his D Cor and have it seen as more of a 'scapegoat' move than anything else, after seeing him hushed up publicly by Jerry Jones, after seeing him try to bring in Dan Reeves because he needed help and after hearing Jerry say publicly that he's the only one who knows 100% about what the real deal is at Valley Ranch these days?

Trust me, I really wish I had some hope it was going to work.

But I am 36 years old and I have seen bosses come and go and many methods used by people in charge using different methods of trying to run things. I have yet to see a person go from being a 'nice guy' to a 'not so nice guy' and it working out well.

Maybe if there was a big change in makeup of the 'employees/players' it could be a somewhat smooth transition after a few bumps in the road are taken care of. Sort of like a manager still being a manager for the same company, but working in a new location with different employees.

This 2009 team is still going to have same players from the 2008 team.
 

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AsthmaField;2652417 said:
I agree with you jobber. This team was thisclose to making the playoffs and being a double digit win team. Yes there are problems... but with a first place schedule, playing a murderers row of defenses down the stretch, basically without Felix and many other's, not to mention Romo missing games and being jacked up in several others, and more distractions than I've ever seen in my life... they still almost followed Wade to the playoffs.

He did lead them and he led a defense that was very close to becoming dominant. The players do listen to Phillips and they respond (for the most part) pretty well to him.

If he simply tightens up a little, increases fines and takes people out of the lineup when they deserve to be yanked (see: Proctor, Cory and Adams, Flozell) then I can see it making a difference.

No, Phillips won't ever be a strict disciplinarian... but we had that in Parcells and we still got worse results than when we did the last two years. Heck, I'm not so sure this team would respond any better to a heavy hand.

If Wade can come across like, "Well guys, we are going to drastically increase fines for small discretions and although I'd rather not... I'll take all your money if you can't show up on time... and if you're not getting the job done in practice or on the field, I'm not going to be nearly as tolerant this year. You guys should know how to practice by now." That's not being an in-your-face screamer... that is simply saying there are going to be consequences for mistakes and those screw-ups aren't going to be accepted anymore.

I can't see Phillips as a screamer/thrower type coach... but I can certainly see him pulling someone out and saying it isn't working. I can see him handing out fines left and right, and sitting someone for being late.

Will he? I don't know... but he (and Jerry) want it to be that way and really, I don't see anything stopping it from happening. I don't see the players thinking he isn't true to himself, either. Just because he's not letting them get away with as much as he did last year, doesn't mean that he's not being himself.

Do I wish he was more of a disciplinarian? Yes I do... but the fans have gone WAY overboard in how he is being viewed. He's one of the best defensive coordinators in the NFL; he didn't get that way by letting the players walk all over him.

JM $0.02



You nailed it. Great post.
 

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AsthmaField;2652417 said:

Do I wish he was more of a disciplinarian? Yes I do... but the fans have gone WAY overboard in how he is being viewed. He's one of the best defensive coordinators in the NFL; he didn't get that way by letting the players walk all over him.


But isn't this the problem?

He is a great defensive coordinator.

But what is he as a head coach? The Head Coach is the guy who is supposed to be the last man in charge and with Jerry around Wade can't even be that guy because he's so laid back.

Wade may have been the right guy for the job two years ago, but IMO right now he is the worst guy for the job that lies ahead.

When Wade was making his name as D Cor he always had a man above him who was the final say and who was supposed to install the discipline aspects of the team.

You are not giving us any valid points to the argument that he can all of a sudden become this 'stern, no nonsense' head coach by telling us he was a good Defensive Coordinator for the last 30 years.

The two jobs are different animals.

And now Wade has both of them.
 

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yeah but DC your missing the big point;

what did jerry jones say? i am the only one that gets it and sees the big picture, and i call the shots;

ok then coach jerry jones, your offense stunk last year, you didnt fine the players over $100 dollars for being late to meetings and missing treatements etc.

You and you alone coach jerry jones! So, now instead of just words coach jerry jones, do something about it. You, the players, the coaches and all the fans know now that you didnt allow hitting the first 25 days in training camp to show the players how to set tempo in games. To be ready to hit. You and you alone Coach Jerry Jones. You said you would after the ram game find out what players werent playing their all, practicing hard, etc, so now, coach jerry jones. Was that all hot air?

Do something about it, if you want to play the head coach thing, then do it, make the players accountable like you are making the coaches accountable. And quit this darn larry lacewell thing. You as a owner should have learned your lesson when you followed his advice in drafting in the early 2000 seasons before bill parcells got here. Parcells got a good scout in jeff ireland, now you have one in ciwoski, follow his advice, not larry lacewell;s.

ITS UP TO YOU NOW COACH JERRY JONES, NO ONE BUT YOU, EITHER DO IT, OR ALL YOU HAVE SAID LAST YEAR AND THIS YEAR WAS HOT AIR, ITS TIME TO PUT UP OR SHUT UP COACH JERRY JONES.
 

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AsthmaField;2652417 said:
I agree with you jobber. This team was thisclose to making the playoffs and being a double digit win team. Yes there are problems... but with a first place schedule, playing a murderers row of defenses down the stretch, basically without Felix and many other's, not to mention Romo missing games and being jacked up in several others, and more distractions than I've ever seen in my life... they still almost followed Wade to the playoffs.

He did lead them and he led a defense that was very close to becoming dominant. The players do listen to Phillips and they respond (for the most part) pretty well to him.

If he simply tightens up a little, increases fines and takes people out of the lineup when they deserve to be yanked (see: Proctor, Cory and Adams, Flozell) then I can see it making a difference.

No, Phillips won't ever be a strict disciplinarian... but we had that in Parcells and we still got worse results than when we did the last two years. Heck, I'm not so sure this team would respond any better to a heavy hand.

If Wade can come across like, "Well guys, we are going to drastically increase fines for small discretions and although I'd rather not... I'll take all your money if you can't show up on time... and if you're not getting the job done in practice or on the field, I'm not going to be nearly as tolerant this year. You guys should know how to practice by now." That's not being an in-your-face screamer... that is simply saying there are going to be consequences for mistakes and those screw-ups aren't going to be accepted anymore.

I can't see Phillips as a screamer/thrower type coach... but I can certainly see him pulling someone out and saying it isn't working. I can see him handing out fines left and right, and sitting someone for being late.

Will he? I don't know... but he (and Jerry) want it to be that way and really, I don't see anything stopping it from happening. I don't see the players thinking he isn't true to himself, either. Just because he's not letting them get away with as much as he did last year, doesn't mean that he's not being himself.

Do I wish he was more of a disciplinarian? Yes I do... but the fans have gone WAY overboard in how he is being viewed. He's one of the best defensive coordinators in the NFL; he didn't get that way by letting the players walk all over him.

JM $0.02
Outstanding post.
 

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DC, I won't quote that long post, but I think ** answered a lot of your questions. You and others act like he's going to become Gunnery Sergeant Hartman, but he never said he was going to do that. Yes, if he tried that, he'd be laughed at. But increasing fines and not giving as much leeway on little things isn't such a wholesale change that players will see him as a phony.

I really don't see why it's so hard to believe. I know I can think of when a boss, or even a parent, let me get away with things and I pushed it a little too far. They tightened the reins a little and said "Look, you need to not do that anymore. And if you don't, the punishment will be more severe than it was" and I didn't laugh at them for changing their personality or lose respect for them.

I look at the Martellus Rapgate as a good example. If he'd gotten a tiny slap on the hand, he'd probably have laughed to himself. Fine him a full game check of tens of thousands of dollars, and he gets the message in a hurry. Just keep that up, and you don't have to yell and scream in guys faces.

Now if Jerry insists on running everything and letting the players complain to him over the coach's head... Then nothing is going to work.
 

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I am late reading and responding to this but that was a great post **!
 

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dcfanatic;2652872 said:
But isn't this the problem?

He is a great defensive coordinator.

But what is he as a head coach? The Head Coach is the guy who is supposed to be the last man in charge and with Jerry around Wade can't even be that guy because he's so laid back.

Wade may have been the right guy for the job two years ago, but IMO right now he is the worst guy for the job that lies ahead.

When Wade was making his name as D Cor he always had a man above him who was the final say and who was supposed to install the discipline aspects of the team.

You are not giving us any valid points to the argument that he can all of a sudden become this 'stern, no nonsense' head coach by telling us he was a good Defensive Coordinator for the last 30 years.

The two jobs are different animals.

And now Wade has both of them.

Nate said it take it up with Nate. The ideal he is a softy and players walk over him I doubt that being a DC for 30 years I doubt players walk over him and I doubt that very much or else he would not have been a DC for 30 years. Wade is a players coach no one has ever disputed that but you can still demand production out of your players and as Nate said fine player or bench players without ranting and raving. It is the action not how you say it that matters.
 

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dcfanatic;2652872 said:
You are not giving us any valid points to the argument that he can all of a sudden become this 'stern, no nonsense' head coach by telling us he was a good Defensive Coordinator for the last 30 years.

That's not nearly all I said, either. :rolleyes:

You can't just take that one sentence out of my entire post and act like I made my entire argument that Wade could toughen-up, from that one point.

However, to address just that comment... coaching in many, many ways is coaching. If you think players don't have to respect the defensive coordinators, then you are wrong. You have to look no further than Brian Stewart as an example of that.

Wade has had respect from players for 30 years (as you said), and they've all been more than happy to do exactly as Phillips has asked. He has run excellent defenses everywhere he's ever been.

As you mentioned... he did have a head guy handing out the punishment, but to think that Phillips didn't demand respect from his players is just plain silly. If players could chew-up and spit-out Wade... they would have done so long, long ago.

Now, I'm not saying that Wade is the perfect (or even good) head coach... I know he has never had great (playoff) success as a head coach, and that does concern me. But players do follow him and they do perform for him. I can easily see, with a marginal increase in discipline, how things could tighten up. Marginal being the operative word.

Phillips isn't going to have to become an angry Lombardi to get these players attention. He just needs to runs a little tougher camp, have some more disciplined practices, increase fines, and give play for performance. None of that is going to require Wade to not be Wade. It only requires that he enforce some new policy and new rules.

Heck, I could do that today at my work and nobody would think I'm not being me. As a matter of fact, I have installed new, more stringent rules and policies that everyone has to follow. You know what? They all followed it except for a couple of people, and they went home for good... which of course made everyone else follow them that much more.

New rules. Follow them or go away.

And really, that is the whole point of what I'm saying: Things can be run tougher and more disciplined at Valley Ranch and everyone will follow without calling BS. At least that's my opinion.

Like Lab said... we've all had the rules tightened up on us and had to follow them. Not that big a deal really. Just no more easy street.
 

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AsthmaField;2652417 said:
I agree with you jobber. This team was thisclose to making the playoffs and being a double digit win team. Yes there are problems... but with a first place schedule, playing a murderers row of defenses down the stretch, basically without Felix and many other's, not to mention Romo missing games and being jacked up in several others, and more distractions than I've ever seen in my life... they still almost followed Wade to the playoffs.

He did lead them and he led a defense that was very close to becoming dominant. The players do listen to Phillips and they respond (for the most part) pretty well to him.

If he simply tightens up a little, increases fines and takes people out of the lineup when they deserve to be yanked (see: Proctor, Cory and Adams, Flozell) then I can see it making a difference.

No, Phillips won't ever be a strict disciplinarian... but we had that in Parcells and we still got worse results than when we did the last two years. Heck, I'm not so sure this team would respond any better to a heavy hand.

If Wade can come across like, "Well guys, we are going to drastically increase fines for small discretions and although I'd rather not... I'll take all your money if you can't show up on time... and if you're not getting the job done in practice or on the field, I'm not going to be nearly as tolerant this year. You guys should know how to practice by now." That's not being an in-your-face screamer... that is simply saying there are going to be consequences for mistakes and those screw-ups aren't going to be accepted anymore.

I can't see Phillips as a screamer/thrower type coach... but I can certainly see him pulling someone out and saying it isn't working. I can see him handing out fines left and right, and sitting someone for being late.

Will he? I don't know... but he (and Jerry) want it to be that way and really, I don't see anything stopping it from happening. I don't see the players thinking he isn't true to himself, either. Just because he's not letting them get away with as much as he did last year, doesn't mean that he's not being himself.

Do I wish he was more of a disciplinarian? Yes I do... but the fans have gone WAY overboard in how he is being viewed. He's one of the best defensive coordinators in the NFL; he didn't get that way by letting the players walk all over him.

JM $0.02



AsthmaField;2653188 said:
That's not nearly all I said, either. :rolleyes:

You can't just take that one sentence out of my entire post and act like I made my entire argument that Wade could toughen-up, from that one point.

However, to address just that comment... coaching in many, many ways is coaching. If you think players don't have to respect the defensive coordinators, then you are wrong. You have to look no further than Brian Stewart as an example of that.

Wade has had respect from players for 30 years (as you said), and they've all been more than happy to do exactly as Phillips has asked. He has run excellent defenses everywhere he's ever been.

As you mentioned... he did have a head guy handing out the punishment, but to think that Phillips didn't demand respect from his players is just plain silly. If players could chew-up and spit-out Wade... they would have done so long, long ago.

Now, I'm not saying that Wade is the perfect (or even good) head coach... I know he has never had great (playoff) success as a head coach, and that does concern me. But players do follow him and they do perform for him. I can easily see, with a marginal increase in discipline, how things could tighten up. Marginal being the operative word.

Phillips isn't going to have to become an angry Lombardi to get these players attention. He just needs to runs a little tougher camp, have some more disciplined practices, increase fines, and give play for performance. None of that is going to require Wade to not be Wade. It only requires that he enforce some new policy and new rules.

Heck, I could do that today at my work and nobody would think I'm not being me. As a matter of fact, I have installed new, more stringent rules and policies that everyone has to follow. You know what? They all followed it except for a couple of people, and they went home for good... which of course made everyone else follow them that much more.

New rules. Follow them or go away.

And really, that is the whole point of what I'm saying: Things can be run tougher and more disciplined at Valley Ranch and everyone will follow without calling BS. At least that's my opinion.

Like Lab said... we've all had the rules tightened up on us and had to follow them. Not that big a deal really. Just no more easy street.

Both good posts. I might add that I believe Wade needs to be more diligent about conditioning of players. That may already being done but if not then someone needs to stay on it. I do have this feeling that the players were given too much latitude and I'm thinking some may have slacked off. Again don't know but I think they all bear more due diligence and supervision. Too much at stake for this window opportunity to screw it up overlooking things. Add some freakin tackling drills. The one on one fight starting kind.
 
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