Audio: Irvin Show talks backup QB's - 2/20/09

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Irvin Show talking backup QB
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Kitna, Simms, Garcia, Losman, etc.

Just get a veteran who can throw it more than 3 mph and I will be satisfied that we have upgraded the backup QB spot.

Who does everyone want as a backup?
 

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dcfanatic;2647675 said:
Irvin Show talking backup QB
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Kitna, Simms, Garcia, Losman, etc.

Just get a veteran who can throw it more than 3 mph and I will be satisfied that we have upgraded the backup QB spot.

Who does everyone want as a backup?

i'd like to see simms given a shot here. backup yea, but he's got some gametime in him.
 

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dcfanatic;2647675 said:
Irvin Show talking backup QB
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Kitna, Simms, Garcia, Losman, etc.

Just get a veteran who can throw it more than 3 mph and I will be satisfied that we have upgraded the backup QB spot.

Who does everyone want as a backup?


Simms
 

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simms, just didnt like the way beck played when i saw him play for the dolphins

dont think kitna and roy williams would work good with things that were said between them both, but hey, at same time, they know each other, kitna and roy williams, maybe kitna can tell romo some of roy williams strenghts
 

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cowboyjoe;2647739 said:
dont think kitna and roy williams would work good with things that were said between them both, but hey, at same time, they know each other, kitna and roy williams, maybe kitna can tell romo some of roy williams strenghts

I'd rather Kitna just call Romo than Dallas signing him for that info.
 

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Actually, Kitna has shown he can play in this league. He is someone who can hold the team together for a month or so if Romo were to be out. He played well in Seattle and in Cincinnati. Also has put up some good numbers in, gasp, Detroit. He would be my choice.

Hostile, I admire your consistancy. I've seen you mention Beck in every thread similar to this one. For that reason, Beck is my second choice. Maybe we can appoint you as the GM Proxy for the Cowboys:)
 

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I'm kinda leaning toward Kitna for a couple reasons:

1) He knows where RW11 likes the passes to be and can advise Romo on that

2) He still has a live arm and can get the ball downfield.

He has put up decent numbers everywhere he's been. His completion % is just over 59. Not great, but respectable. His passer rating is 76.6. I don't like that, but consider the teams he's been on.

I would put Simms second, but I think the Titans will lock him up.

Here's a little scenario. If the Titans lock up Collins and Simms, what are the chances Young would ask out? If his request is granted, is this someone we should consider? In his 2 years as a starter, he was 18-14. Not great, but he has won. Also, he had no receivers to throw to - same situation as Collins this year.
 

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the DoNkEy PuNcH;2647853 said:
1) He knows where RW11 likes the passes to be and can advise Romo on that

I'm guessing RW11 could just tell Romo that too, right?

I'd rather get a younger qb in here and keep him for a while.
 

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Hostile;2647719 said:
John Beck

Beck is too old and doesn't have the experience. He reminds me of Chris Weinke. You want someone that has some good playing time. I like Simms, I like almost anyone that can throw. Ultimately, you need a better OL, better depth on the OL and quicker throws. Then you don't have to rely on a backup QB and you could spend time growning a QB to learn the system.
 

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5Countem5;2647857 said:
I'm guessing RW11 could just tell Romo that too, right?

I'd rather get a younger qb in here and keep him for a while.

Sure, cuz it worked out so well last season
 

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Cowboy06;2647863 said:
Beck is too old and doesn't have the experience. He reminds me of Chris Weinke. You want someone that has some good playing time. I like Simms, I like almost anyone that can throw. Ultimately, you need a better OL, better depth on the OL and quicker throws. Then you don't have to rely on a backup QB and you could spend time growning a QB to learn the system.

Aikman had a pretty good o-line and I remember him getting hurt.

No matter how great the o-line is , it never diminishes the need for a contingency plan.
 

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the DoNkEy PuNcH;2647864 said:
Sure, cuz it worked out so well last season

LOL right...

You think Kitna can tell Romo something about Roy that Roy doesn't know?
 

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5Countem5;2647869 said:
LOL right...

You think Kitna can tell Romo something about Roy that Roy doesn't know?

Wow dude! I guess we need to start putting a "sarcasm disclaimer" up so it's understood. Simply amazing.

But, since you asked the question, I'm sure he could tell Romo about his tendancies, the best place to put the ball, etc. A WR is always going to say "just throw the ball and i'll go get it." You know it doesn't work that way.
 

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Cowboy06;2647863 said:
Beck is too old and doesn't have the experience. He reminds me of Chris Weinke. You want someone that has some good playing time. I like Simms, I like almost anyone that can throw. Ultimately, you need a better OL, better depth on the OL and quicker throws. Then you don't have to rely on a backup QB and you could spend time growning a QB to learn the system.
Tell me all about Matt Cassel's "good playing time."

John Beck as the backup, draft Rhett Bomar in the 5th, send Johnson and Bollinger packing. I'd be more than happy.
 

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Tell me all about Matt Cassel's "good playing time."

John Beck as the backup, draft Rhett Bomar in the 5th, send Johnson and Bollinger packing. I'd be more than happy.

Yeah. I am all for drafting Bomar. We need to start developing some QB's.
 

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dcfanatic;2648651 said:
Yeah. I am all for drafting Bomar. We need to start developing some QB's.

I think Bomar will rise the closer the draft gets and teams start realizing how weak this crop is.

I would take a developmental type later on. Brian Hoyer is a real darkhorse I would like.
 

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Alexander;2648667 said:
I think Bomar will rise the closer the draft gets and teams start realizing how weak this crop is.

I would take a developmental type later on. Brian Hoyer is a real darkhorse I would like.

Watching Mayock talk about Bomar right now, lol.

Maybe this kid Wilson from Alabama can become a decent backup too. He seems more 'ready to play' than some of the other kids.
 

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They also just talked about this kid from Div III...

http://www.timesargus.com/article/20081114/SPORTS/811140361/1004/SPORTS

Division III Hartwick College quarterback Jason Boltus drawing NFL lookshttp://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?category=RSS10&mime=xml


GA_googleFillSlot("ta_toolbox_SPORTS"); By John Kekis Associated Press - Published: November 14, 2008


SYRACUSE, N.Y. — Five years ago, Jason Boltus dreamed of playing quarterback at a major college, but coming out of high school he just didn't have the numbers.

"Nobody would take that gamble because he didn't have the statistics," said Boltus's dad, Greg, who played tight end at North Carolina State in the 1970s.

He does now.

As Boltus nears the end of his senior season at Hartwick College, NFL scouts are plenty interested in the 6-foot-3, 225-pound star. Just about every team has sent somebody to the tiny campus (enrollment 1,480) in Oneonta.

They come to see a player whose highlight tape shows him throwing a ball from the 25-yard line that hits a player's facemask in the far end zone, then ricochets off the crossbar and back out to the 20.

"The Ravens are coming tomorrow, the Giants on Friday, and the Colts on Saturday," Hartwick coach Mark Carr said at mid-week. "I'm not shocked. I thought he was a legitimate NFL prospect after his junior year."

In 2007, Boltus won the Melberger Award as the outstanding player in Division III. He was 237-of-443 for 3,986 yards and 38 touchdowns passing with 12 interceptions and also rushed for 418 yards and seven TDs, leading the Hawks to the NCAA playoffs for the first time.

That prompted Carr to call two scouting services. They held a junior day with Boltus and sent scouts to work him out.

"At the end of the day, they said, 'Coach, you're right.' " Carr said. "It's kind of snowballed from there. The majority of them give positive feedback. We've never had anyone that's drawn this type of attention."

Boltus, who started his senior season with seven touchdown passes — six to classmate Jack Phelan — in a 63-37 homecoming rout of Western New England in the rain, is in the running again for the Melberger Award as Hartwick (6-2) prepares to face upstate rival Utica on Saturday in the final game of the regular season.

"It's exciting. I'm glad how things turned out," said Boltus, who is 203-for-336 for 3,265 yards and 35 touchdowns passing with eight interceptions and has rushed for 139 yards and two scores. "You have to go out and just play. Everything will take care of itself. It's a stressful process. You want to make sure you're making the right choice."

The numbers boggle the mind:

—Boltus leads Division III in total offense at 425 yards per game (Corey Sedlar from Hampden-Sydney is second at 348) and points responsible for at 27.7 per game.

—His 13,480 total yards are third all-time in the division, and his 12,607 yards passing rank fourth all-time.

—He ranks fourth in Division III history with 123 touchdown passes and eighth all-time in all three divisions, ahead of former BYU star Ty Detmer and Steve McNair of Alcorn State.

Boltus's coach at C.W. Baker High School in Baldwinsville isn't surprised.

"You could see with his arm and work ethic, in the right system he was a diamond in the rough," Carl Sanfilippo said. "He's a good kid, a good person. That's the first step to being a good football player."

Still, it wasn't so easy at the start. Boltus redshirted as a freshman at Albany, didn't like the offense, and transferred to Hartwick, which had recruited him in high school.

"The system he came from they ran the ball mostly, and when you have a quarterback that's not thrown the ball in high school, it is difficult to project him in a spread offense," Carr said. "He was a big, strong kid with a powerful arm. We really wanted him to come here, but you can never predict the type of numbers a kid might put up and the impact he'd have on our program. We had no idea he'd be able to do what he's done."

Sometimes, it's hard to keep track.

A year ago, needing a win over Utica to make the postseason, Boltus led the Hawks to a 72-70 overtime triumph, throwing for 420 yards and six touchdowns and running for another score and the game-winning two-point conversion.

It was the most points scored by two teams in a single game since the NCAA began keeping official records in 1937.

"Honestly, because of the lack of defense, we were on the sideline so little we didn't have time to think about anything," said Phelan, who caught four scoring passes in the game, including two 25-yarders in overtime. "We really had no idea what we were doing until we looked at the scoreboard. It was like a basketball game."

"We throw the ball so much, you can't count the yards," Boltus said. "We just knew we had to keep scoring to keep our chances alive."

Scoring has come easy because Boltus and the 5-10, 180-pound Phelan have developed a special chemistry, working out together incessantly, even in summer. Phelan has 62 catches for 1,390 yards to lead the nation at nearly 174 yards per game, and he has 132 points (22 TDs) to rank third in scoring at 16.5 points per game.

"Without Jack, he doesn't put up these numbers," Carr said.

Carr said some people had inquired about Phelan, but "in the NFL scout's eyes, he doesn't stack up."

"He's outstanding at our level," Carr said. "But Boltus, with all the numbers, he has the size, the strength, the physical ability."

And Boltus, who runs a 4.7-second 40, benches 415 pounds and squats 500, is not afraid to use it.

"He can throw the ball and he can level a linebacker," said first-year Utica coach Blaise Faggiano. "He's special."

Paul Vosburgh, coach of perennial Division III power St. John Fisher, knows all too well. He's watched Boltus lead the Hawks to consecutive 31-28 victories over his Cardinals.

"Boltus makes it happen," Vosburgh said. "You've got to have a quarterback. The trigger man is the key guy, and he's got the physical stature. You've got to take a look at the guy.

"He passes the eyeball test. He's' the strongest kid on the team. He's the fastest kid on the team. Somebody had better take a look at him. Get him out of Hartwick."
 

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Hostile;2647943 said:
Tell me all about Matt Cassel's "good playing time."

John Beck as the backup, draft Rhett Bomar in the 5th, send Johnson and Bollinger packing. I'd be more than happy.

I do agree to some extent with others concerned about Beck's lack of PT in regards to him being the primary backup. Doesnt mean he cant do it, but if we get Beck we might have to make him compete for the backup spot with another veteran, somebody like Batch perhaps.

None of this yrs college QB's do much for me after the two guys going in the first rd.
 
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