Average Starting Field Position

[Sydla]

The cap is not going to lower. The teams are making money through ad revenue with companies putting tarps over the seats.

It's likely going to be lower IMO. Ad Revenue from tarps? LOL. Take Philly. Their average price for a ticket is around $162 per Seat Geek averages. Their stadium seats 70,000. That's over $11 million a game in just ticket revenue lost. That's $88 million over 8 home games. Tarp ad space isn't generating anything near that. And we haven't even talked about concessions, parking, etc.

The NFLPA isn't dumb either. It's why they negotiated a signed deal with the owners to set a floor of $175 million for the 2021 cap. They know revenues will be down too.

 

[Bobhaze]

I'm pretty sure it's only 1 possession and that was the chido int against the rams.

I could be wrong, but I think that was around the Cowboys 40 or 45. I’ll look it up.
EDIT- You were right...it was at the ram 39. So the two possessions the Cowboys have started in enemy territory- the Awuzie INT and the onside kick against the birds.

 

[Aven8]

This is so pathetic.

Next time I see Pollard Bring the ball out of the end zone and get tackled at the 20. I’m going to scream.

As I’ve stated since the first game they are trying to give themselves the best field position they can as the defense isn’t going to do it for them.

 

[glimmerman]

The cap is not going to lower lol. If they get a long term deal done with Dak it will give them some cap breathing room. Nolan should have input. I give a coach 3 years getting his guys for his system.

Not sure I want nolan for 3 years. If he can’t get these players to stand up and play. No excuse for this D-Line. D-Law, Griffen, Aldon and Poe. These are all above average players. Even later in there career they are average. lol saw D-Law something about injuries. I wonder if he is making excuses or what.

 

[Bobhaze]

Not sure I want nolan for 3 years. If he can’t get these players to stand up and play. No excuse for this D-Line. D-Law, Griffen, Aldon and Poe. These are all above average players. Even later in there career they are average. lol saw D-Law something about injuries. I wonder if he is making excuses or what.

D-Law is definitely hurt with a bad knee, but if he’s that ineffective, I’m wondering if he needs to sit for a while til he’s better. He has zero quickness laterally which is normally a strength. That’s the knee. It’s not that DLaw is a loafer. He’s got heart IMO. He just doesn’t have his body at full speed right now.

And I accept no excuses. Every team in the league has injuries. The good teams are the ones who find a way to overcome them.

 

[Hennessy_King]

It's likely going to be lower IMO. Ad Revenue from tarps? LOL. Take Philly. Their average price for a ticket is around $162 per Seat Geek averages. Their stadium seats 70,000. That's over $11 million a game in just ticket revenue lost. That's $88 million over 8 home games. Tarp ad space isn't generating anything near that. And we haven't even talked about concessions, parking, etc.

The NFLPA isn't dumb either. It's why they negotiated a signed deal with the owners to set a floor of $175 million for the 2021 cap. They know revenues will be down too.

I don't think you realize how much these teams make per season. Most of their money is in ads and tv money. The stadium, concession, and parking is just the $ they don't have to share with the players. So why would the players union care if the owners made less $$ in the money that they don't share with the players. None of that money effects the cap and is not what the cap is based off of.

 

[fivetwos]

Pollard has been awful on kick returns.
Wish the dude would just take the touchback, lol.

Yep. Problem is when the ball is bouncing around the five years line you cant do that.

He still tried.

 

[fivetwos]

It's likely going to be lower IMO. Ad Revenue from tarps? LOL. Take Philly. Their average price for a ticket is around $162 per Seat Geek averages. Their stadium seats 70,000. That's over $11 million a game in just ticket revenue lost. That's $88 million over 8 home games. Tarp ad space isn't generating anything near that. And we haven't even talked about concessions, parking, etc.

The NFLPA isn't dumb either. It's why they negotiated a signed deal with the owners to set a floor of $175 million for the 2021 cap. They know revenues will be down too.

Thing is though....all teams are going to be subject to this, so it's all relative.

No one wants mass cuts....owners or players, so I doubt anyone is going to attempt to slice their own throat.

I think the difference will be teams wont have money to sign guys that are sitting around (Griffen, etc) to those 1 year deals for 6-8m. They will need to roll with a minimum salary guy.

I dont forsee massive changes when neither side is going to want it.

Maybe we get real lucky and they negotiate one uncapped year to compensate and we can dump a ton of awful contracts! That's dreaming on several levels but why not lol.

 

[Sydla]

I don't think you realize how much these teams make per season. Most of their money is in ads and tv money. The stadium, concession, and parking is just the $ they don't have to share with the players. So why would the players union care if the owners made less $$ in the money that they don't share with the players. None of that money effects the cap and is not what the cap is based off of.

That's false. The CBA cites three revenue buckets that all go into the calculation of the cap:

League Media
NFL Ventures
Local Revenue

Local revenue is basically all the revenues that each team negotiates itself outside of the league deals each team participates in. So that includes ticket sales, concessions, local radio deals, local advertising, etc. Per the cap calculation, the players are to get 40% of local revenues. Ticket sales, concessions, etc. are a big chunk of change. Ticket sales alone are over $3 Billion in revenue each year for NFL teams (combined).

Start on Page 69 of the CBA I have linked.

https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows.net/media/Default/NFLPA/CBA2020/NFL-NFLPA_CBA_March_5_2020.pdf

 

[glimmerman]

D-Law is definitely hurt with a bad knee, but if he’s that ineffective, I’m wondering if he needs to sit for a while til he’s better. He has zero quickness laterally which is normally a strength. That’s the knee. It’s not that DLaw is a loafer. He’s got heart IMO. He just doesn’t have his body at full speed right now.

And I accept no excuses. Every team in the league has injuries. The good teams are the ones who find a way to overcome them.

I agree. We have Griffen. Let’s get the best ones on the front. I heard people say that MM don’t like change very much when he has his favorite players. Not sure if it’s true or not. We have to do something. I don’t think the addition of Lee and Cheeto is gonna make a turn around difference.

 

[Sydla]

Thing is though....all teams are going to be subject to this, so it's all relative.

No one wants mass cuts....owners or players, so I doubt anyone is going to attempt to slice their own throat.

I think the difference will be teams wont have money to sign guys that are sitting around (Griffen, etc) to those 1 year deals for 6-8m. They will need to roll with a minimum salary guy.

I dont forsee massive changes when neither side is going to want it.

Maybe we get real lucky and they negotiate one uncapped year to compensate and we can dump a ton of awful contracts! That's dreaming on several levels but why not lol.

The deal has already been cut. There is a cap floor for 2021 of 175 million. So that's the lowest it will go. Most projections are guessing the best case is the cap will remain close to what it was this year - $198 million.

Relative or not, it's going to make it tough on some teams to really overhaul a roster. In our case, we'll have some cap money to play with after Dak signs, but if people are thinking there is going to be a big overhaul on defense this offseason, they are expecting too much.

Unless of course by overhaul you mean just sign a ton of JAGs for low priced contracts. The big problem we have is that some of the guys people are having issues with on defense - Smith, Lawrence, for example - they present pretty much zero cap savings if you cut or get rid of them for 2021.

We are in OK shape. There are some teams in real bad situations, like Philly.

 

[Ranching]

Yeah I may be in the minority but I'm for a aggressive approach to special teams. Flaws and all.

But what's happening is that you have aa bad defense and a bad special teams and that's double trouble.

You are essentially asking your offense to play flawless turnover free football while your special teams and defense clearly aren't. Its why you are 1-3.

Maybe they need to dial it back some until this defense gets better because this offense is already having to do all the work...now you're essentially making things harder for your offense that already needs to be flawless.

The aggressive approach is great, but you have to be smart. That falls on MM. He has final say.

 

[Reid1boys]

Yes it's a brand new season. But again the exact same issues. The offense now starts with the worst starting field position in the nfl after 4 weeks. With their average starting field position beginning at the 23 yard line. Yes you read that correctly the 23 yard line. Which is 2 yards shorter than the 25 yard line that you get for free on touchbacks.

Lack of takeaways and poor defense that even when making the opposing team punt which only happens 50% of the time. It's typically after a couple first downs and the opposing team pinning us deep.

I 100% expect this defense to get an entire overhaul of players in the next offseason along with a new group of depth guys that can play special teams.

what is the avg starting field position of our opponents? Id expect that to be the best in the NFL with the way the offense has handed our opponents the ball.

 

[Hennessy_King]

That's false. The CBA cites three revenue buckets that all go into the calculation of the cap:

League Media
NFL Ventures
Local Revenue

Local revenue is basically all the revenues that each team negotiates itself outside of the league deals each team participates in. So that includes ticket sales, concessions, local radio deals, local advertising, etc. Per the cap calculation, the players are to get 40% of local revenues. Ticket sales, concessions, etc. are a big chunk of change. Ticket sales alone are over $3 Billion in revenue each year for NFL teams (combined).

Start on Page 69 of the CBA I have linked.

https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows.net/media/Default/NFLPA/CBA2020/NFL-NFLPA_CBA_March_5_2020.pdf

Wow surprised owners gave that up. The last cba i believe they didn't share that with the players. I just can't see the cap going down especially with more gambling revenue every year.

 

[ondaedg]

Yes it's a brand new season. But again the exact same issues. The offense now starts with the worst starting field position in the nfl after 4 weeks. With their average starting field position beginning at the 23 yard line. Yes you read that correctly the 23 yard line. Which is 2 yards shorter than the 25 yard line that you get for free on touchbacks.

Lack of takeaways and poor defense that even when making the opposing team punt which only happens 50% of the time. It's typically after a couple first downs and the opposing team pinning us deep.

I 100% expect this defense to get an entire overhaul of players in the next offseason along with a new group of depth guys that can play special teams.

Real football fans know the true value of this stat. No offense has to travel further for a td than us game after game.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Yes it's a brand new season. But again the exact same issues. The offense now starts with the worst starting field position in the nfl after 4 weeks. With their average starting field position beginning at the 23 yard line. Yes you read that correctly the 23 yard line. Which is 2 yards shorter than the 25 yard line that you get for free on touchbacks.

Lack of takeaways and poor defense that even when making the opposing team punt which only happens 50% of the time. It's typically after a couple first downs and the opposing team pinning us deep.

I 100% expect this defense to get an entire overhaul of players in the next offseason along with a new group of depth guys that can play special teams.

Great post

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

This is so pathetic.

Next time I see Pollard Bring the ball out of the end zone and get tackled at the 20. I’m going to scream.

You're going to be horse going to work

 

[phildadon86]

BuT hE cAn ThRoW fAkEs!!

Actually he failed at that too.

 

[Sydla]

Wow surprised owners gave that up. The last cba i believe they didn't share that with the players. I just can't see the cap going down especially with more gambling revenue every year.

It's not like we will be totally hamstrung, some teams are worse off than we are, much worse off.

But we are going to be limited in what we can do in terms of gutting the defense. For example, Lawrence and Smith will be on the team in 2021. There is no cap benefit to getting rid of them. Smith maybe, as he saves like $400K. Maybe you could just trade him for a late round pick, take the cap wash and move on. But Lawrence? You got him for a few more years.

You are going to be losing a lot of guys simply from contract run offs that you will have to replace and not have a ton of money to do so. Yes, some of these guys suck, but they are still bodies that you have to replace:

Lewis
Woods
Awuzie
Griffen
Aldon Smith
Thomas
The Other Woods
Crawford

Again, not great names but still guys that play a lot of minutes. They aren't going to have a ton of money to replace all those guys with better players. There is going to be some real bargain shopping next year, a Stephen Jones specialty! LOL.

 

[CowboyFrog]

I don't think you realize how much these teams make per season. Most of their money is in ads and tv money. The stadium, concession, and parking is just the $ they don't have to share with the players. So why would the players union care if the owners made less $$ in the money that they don't share with the players. None of that money effects the cap and is not what the cap is based off of.

This is correct as long as the ratings keep going up that TV money drives the cap more than anything....the new TV deal will be bigger and more ridiculous ...