Aviation

[gtb1943]

The pilots did their job. Read the NTSB report.

Going over it, like so many, you have to read between the lines.
I had to make a couple of flights in C-17's as pax and they had vehicles and I was able to watch how carefully the load master and then the pilot looked over the process. This clearly was not done in this instance. Or I should say not done well enough.

 

[CyberB0b]

Going over it, like so many, you have to read between the lines.
I had to make a couple of flights in C-17's as pax and they had vehicles and I was able to watch how carefully the load master and then the pilot looked over the process. This clearly was not done in this instance. Or I should say not done well enough.

There is no reading between the lines in an NTSB report. The entire purpose of the investigation is to figure out what happened and see where processes broke down. They don’t pull any punches. The company procedures and the loadmaster were at fault. If the pilots were at fault, they would have been called out for it.

 

[gtb1943]

There is no reading between the lines in an NTSB report. The entire purpose of the investigation is to figure out what happened and see where processes broke down. They don’t pull any punches. The company procedures and the loadmaster were at fault. If the pilots were at fault, they would have been called out for it.

dude, are you really that naive?
If you bother to do some looking into the history of the NTSB you will find quite a few times where their so called objectivity and no punches pulled failed. And sorry, but in the end the Loadmaster and the Pilot are the two responsible; if the company procedures were wrong and dangerous then they should have said NO. They did not. So ONCE again reading between the lines is necessary. In the end the NTSB is part of the system and no part of the system is as pure as you claim.

 

[triplets_93]

 

[triplets_93]

 

[CyberB0b]

Terrible. Best I can figure is that they had a dual engine failure and tried to glide it in, but landed too long and were stuck with what they had.

 

[gtb1943]

Terrible. Best I can figure is that they had a dual engine failure and tried to glide it in, but landed too long and were stuck with what they had.

having a dual engine failure is incredibly rare without some outside source. Terrible thing.

 

[triplets_93]

Harrowing footage shows Gonzaga team plane, and Delta jet taking off near-miss on LAX runway

https://nypost.com/2024/12/30/us-ne...lane-have-near-collision-on-lax-runway-video/

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Terrible. Best I can figure is that they had a dual engine failure and tried to glide it in, but landed too long and were stuck with what they had.

A number of pilots have weighed in and based on the video evidence the left engine was still operating.

One interesting tidbit one investigator mentioned was the speed of the plane upon landing the fact that the plane may have been experiencing “ground effect” making it difficult to get the plane fully on the ground as the air pressure beneath the wings (causing an apron of air) may be the reason why plane seemed to be gliding just above the tarmac instead of fully in contact with it causing it to slow down.

 

[CyberB0b]

A number of pilots have weighed in and based on the video evidence the left engine was still operating.

One interesting tidbit one investigator mentioned was the speed of the plane upon landing the fact that the plane may have been experiencing “ground effect” making it difficult to get the plane fully on the ground as the air pressure beneath the wings (causing an apron of air) may be the reason why plane seemed to be gliding just above the tarmac instead of fully in contact with it causing it to slow down.

I haven’t seen anything that said the engine was running. You can’t really determine that from the videos. Since they landed with no gear, no flats and slaps, they were likely going 60+ knots faster than normal, so that’s why they floated so long.

If they had an engine running, there’s no reason to force it down like that, as it flies fine single engine.

 

[triplets_93]

https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/safety-ops-regulation/key-data-missing-jeju-air-fdr-cvr

 

[gtb1943]

https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/safety-ops-regulation/key-data-missing-jeju-air-fdr-cvr

OK, now that is suspicious.

 

[CyberB0b]

OK, now that is suspicious.

This is consistent with both engines being shut down.

 

[DZSierra]

I feel much safer flying than driving in North Carolina with 1" of snow on the roads, believe me.

I was born in Maine and worked north of Syracuse NY and am familiar with driving in snow, and will be the first to admit that ANY state driver is horrible driving in the white stuff until they figure out that 4 wheel drive does NOT help driving faster than you should be going, and NEVER hit your breaks on a bridge when it's 34F or below LOL

 

[gtb1943]

This is consistent with both engines being shut down.

and once again a double failure is very rare; which makes one have to take a very good look at what happened.

and I thought there was now something that allowed the recorder to keep running even in that event. Batteries, something.

 

[CyberB0b]

and once again a double failure is very rare; which makes one have to take a very good look at what happened.

and I thought there was now something that allowed the recorder to keep running even in that event. Batteries, something.

I think they accidentally shut down the good engine, but that’s just speculation.

I don’t fly the 737, but when you go down to battery power in a transport category aircraft, lots of systems get shed to keep the bare essentials going.

 

[gtb1943]

I think they accidentally shut down the good engine, but that’s just speculation.

I don’t fly the 737, but when you go down to battery power in a transport category aircraft, lots of systems get shed to keep the bare essentials going.

would just surprise me that the recorder would not have its own dedicated battery just for something like this.

 

[CyberB0b]

would just surprise me that the recorder would not have its own dedicated battery just for something like this.

It's called RIPS and it is a requirement now, but I believe this one was built before the requirement and allowed to operate without it.