Awesome - Johnny was available and the Cowboys passed - I love it!

[jnday]

That's why I like Murray. Manziel's play-style is the exact opposite of our offensive philosophy. He probably would have not been used properly here. They need to draft a prospect to groom because no one will take over as a rookie right now, meaning JF would have been a wasted pick.

I really like Murray but don't want to use our 2nd on him, need the BPA on defense tomorrow.

If Romo shows that he can't compete at this level due to his back in the upcoming season, then go for the next franchise QB in 2015, no holds barred. I haven't really looked to see who the QB prospects are next season but I don't want Winston anymore......he is an idiot.

IIRC , Murray has choked in a few games. I have had enough of that these last few years. I think that they need a QB to sit and learn for a year or two before playing, but JF would have been a wasted pick if Garrett couldn't adapt to JF's talents. I think the time to draft a QB was in this draft if a top talent slid. Next year could be a different story. I gave up on Romo two or three years ago and I want the team to move on with a younger QB. Depending on this season, there could be a new coaching staff anyway. I am sure a new coach would want to pick his QB.

 

[WhizKid]

Johnny Manziel is not the end-all be-all. There are some guys still in this draft they could develop. Then there is next year's draft, and the year after, and the year after... Someone else will pop up.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I apologize for the passive-agressive comment, but logic about this topic cannot be objective. Logic could say that Romo is getting older, coming off of back surgery, and if he goes down we turn to Brandon Weeden.

Logic could also state that our defense was historically bad last year and needed some serious bolstering.

I think Martin is a good pick, but from my view point...we have 10 more picks in this years draft. A potential franchise QB falls into our laps and we pass on him for a tackle who could be good, but could have also been addressed later on in the draft. Heck, both lines could have been addressed with the next 10 picks. I just don't understand passing on Manziel when he's right there, didn't have to give up ANYTHING, and have plenty of other opportunities to bolster our lines in days 2 and 3.

I think we can find a quality offensive lineman in the later rounds; there's not another Manziel out there...

Then you look at the accounting and the cap ramifications of cutting Romo. That is an objective truth and Romo will be on the roster for at least the next two years even if it just the IR. You should also consider that while you have no idea what situation his back is in, the Cowboys are privy to all of his medical records. You can just assume they are stupid but that is not necessarily the case.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

How can you say these two things together? Absolute conjecture.

If you want to talk in terms of probabilities, OL is easily the safest pick with the lowest bust rate and variance. I don't say that, Harvard does:

http://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpr...afest-positions-to-target-in-the-first-round/

This bears to reason considering how projections work. OL technique is more consistent across college and NFL offenses as
opposed to say skill positions where a WR, RB, or QB coming out of a spread offenses is going to be doing a lot of things that he will not be doing in the NFL at all. In Manziel's case there is almost no film of him under center for example.

 

[Oh_Canada]

I'm not a Romo lover, but they made the right choice. Manziel in Dallas would have been a circus.

Think they should look at Murray, Brett Smith or the Matthews kid later in the draft and take one real high next year if the guy they pick doesn't look like they can play.

 

[casmith07]

Thousands of "Jerry will pick Manziel" threads, articles, tweets, rumors, etc. all Wrong!

It makes me really happy.

 

[casmith07]

Could get one still in this draft, maybe draft one next year. JF wasn't going to make our break us. Personally I like Bridgwater better anyways. Martin> JF all day

Don't entertain him. He is a Professional Troll.

 

[Smith22]

Not only did this move bolster the OL for Romo and Murray, but IF Romo has more back issues, it will make it that much easier for the next QB coming in to have a dependable OL in front of him. I love that our boys actually took care of the trenches with solid picks the last few drafts. Hopefully today they will have an opportunity to address the defense.

 

[LOBO7]

Not only did this move bolster the OL for Romo and Murray, but IF Romo has more back issues, it will make it that much easier for the next QB coming in to have a dependable OL in front of him. I love that our boys actually took care of the trenches with solid picks the last few drafts. Hopefully today they will have an opportunity to address the defense.

I agree. I would not have minded at all if we had taken JF, but I am on board with this.
Build a great line and you can now draft a pocket passer like Troy. An average QB can be a good to very good QB with a great line. WE now have the foundation for a great line. Still I hope our next QB can move around and run every once in awhile, puts so much pressure on the linebackers.

 

[jazzcat22]

Manziel was hard to draw an opinion on and oeoe either liked him or hated him. I liked the ideal of having a top QB prospect slip to the team , but I think Romo will be done within two years and want a quality replacement before Romo hits rock bottom. Some fans have much more faith in Romo than I do.

I think Manziel will be done in 2 years also. So Martin IS the better value here.

 

[jazzcat22]

Not really. It's only mind boggling to those who didn't understand what we are trying to do. Just because NFLN and ESPN slobber all over themselves at the thought of JF being a Cowboy doesn't mean he was that high of a priority at Valley Ranch.

Yes true.
The networks and media wanted Jerry to take Manziel so they could say, not because they think he's the best choice, but to say...see he can't resist, and then proceed to rant on how stupid he runs this franchise.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Thousands of "Jerry will pick Manziel" threads, articles, tweets, rumors, etc. all Wrong!

The guy I think most objective fans felt like was the best pick for the Cowboys if Donald was off the board. He fixes a lot of potential issues along the OL IMO. Affords the Cowboys cap flexibility, not to mention what I believe will be a solid base for years to come. When we are ready to take a starting QB, now we will have the OL to bring in a guy who can start immediately if that is what we want to do. I am so impressed with the Cowboys right now, I can't stand it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I apologize for the passive-agressive comment, but logic about this topic cannot be objective. Logic could say that Romo is getting older, coming off of back surgery, and if he goes down we turn to Brandon Weeden.

Logic could also state that our defense was historically bad last year and needed some serious bolstering.

I think Martin is a good pick, but from my view point...we have 10 more picks in this years draft. A potential franchise QB falls into our laps and we pass on him for a tackle who could be good, but could have also been addressed later on in the draft. Heck, both lines could have been addressed with the next 10 picks. I just don't understand passing on Manziel when he's right there, didn't have to give up ANYTHING, and have plenty of other opportunities to bolster our lines in days 2 and 3.

I think we can find a quality offensive lineman in the later rounds; there's not another Manziel out there...

Fair enough but there is also a logical line of thought that says now, we have created a situation where if you have to play Weeden or Orton, they will have a much better chance for success behind a strong OL. Now, we don't have to depend on Tony to make 60 throws, pass for 300+ and toss 4 TDs to win. Now, we can run the ball if we need to with Tony or any other QB. Now, we have cap flexibility to sign guys next year and perhaps even this year if needed. Now we can possibly keep Tony upright and playing until we get to a point where he can last for a few years more at a high level.

There are better QB options then Johnny Football for us I think. I'm good with this pick all around.

 

[Western]

The reality is Romo's contract was terrible business decision at the time for the most important position on a team.
To justify not drafting and/or developing a future franchise QB because of the Romo contract is a reactive decision.
Martin was a solid pick, no doubt.

Yet, stifling the franchise with an overpaid QB who is on the downside of his career because of the physical toll of playing the position as well as attempting to overcome the mental challenges is and has been a barrier in winning late-season contests & playoff games.
Dallas is rebuilding but it will not ultimately be a complete rebuilding project until a younger, physically stronger QB is at the helm.
By continually 'kicking the can down the road' and avoiding upgrading the QB position will put the franchise in desperate need to reach for a QB (not one of Jerry's strongest traits).

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Don't entertain him. He is a Professional Troll.

Shout out to casmith for walking. Nice work old buddy. That's a really impressive thing you've accomplished for yourself. Congratulations man.

 

[big dog cowboy]

To justify not drafting and/or developing a future franchise QB because of the Romo contract is a reactive decision.

If you are refering to us passing on JF, I have not read or heard anywhere that what you state is the reason for it.

 

[Risen Star]

I am honestly shocked

I wasn't. I've been saying for months that even if he was there at 16, the Cowboys would not draft him. I had absolutely no question about it. There was no suspense for me, even when they were on the clock.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Does that apply to me? If so, no!

I think Manziel will not pan out in the long run. I do think we need to get another QB, sooner than later but JF was not the answer IMO. There are a few QB's left that Dallas should take a look at if they are there in the 2nd/3rd.......Savage, Garoppolo, Carr(he will be gone), Murray and Fales.

I am worried about Romo's back too but did not want Johnny.

I have no way of gauging anything when it comes to Manziel.

It was either a case of jerry blowing an opportunity to get a legit qb prospect for the future..

Or... It was genius because "this plan" has Romo finally winning Superbowl.

I was leaning towards Manziel starting in a year or two.