B. Marshall's testimony leaves no doubt; he was the real target in D. Williams murder

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yeah this is a bit non-football, non-Cowboys, but this was very interesting...
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Posted by Mike Florio on February 27, 2010 4:27 PM ET

The night before I left home for college, I was sitting in the back seat of a friend's Firebird (at least I think it was a Firebird) in the drive-through line of the local Burger Chef (at least I think the place was called Burger Chef). Four of us were in the vehicle, a blended group of acquaintances who each knew the driver well (think Kramer at the wheel of a car containing Costanza, Mickey, and Newman).

So another car rolled past us. Older kids. Though it might surprise some of you, I have the tendency at times to be a smart ***, and something prompted me to yell something -- I can't even remember what it was -- to the other car.

On went the brake lights and out jumped one of the guys. Since the Firebird had two doors, I was tucked away, largely out of view and most importantly out of reach. So the guy literally pulled the kid sitting in the front passenger seat out of the car and beat the hell out of him. The guy then looked into the car and said something like, "Do the rest of you have anything to say?"

I still think about that night once every year or so, and I still feel guilty that some guy I didn't know very well (hell, I can't even remember his name) got punched hard in the stomach and maybe in the face because of something I said.

Take that feeling and multiply it by 100,000, and that's how Broncos receiver Brandon Marshall surely feels, every day of his life.

We posted earlier today the link to the audio of his testimony from the trial of Willie Clark, the man who is accused of killing Broncos cornerback Darrent Williams via a hail of bullets directed at the limo in which Williams and others were riding. Though we gradually have realized via the media accounts that Marshall and Williams weren't joined at the hip that night, we still had a vague sense that they generally were traveling in the same pack, given that they were on the same team.

After listening to Marshall's testimony, it's clear that they were in completely separate groups. It's also clear that, under the prosecution's theory of the case, Clark fired bullets into the limo carrying Williams because Clark assumed that Marshall was in it.

Marshall had been fighting with Clark and others who were with him. During a verbal exchange outside the club, Clark had pretended to have a gun, prompting Marshall to say, "You aint got no f--king gun." It was Marshall who then got angry and tried to climb a snow bank and was punched in the jaw by one of the other guys with Clark and then concluded after the others scattered that it would be prudent to get the hell out of there.

Said Marshall, "Being from where I'm from . . . if there ain't no police there breaking up no fight or an argument and guys take off . . . a light should go off meaning danger. . . . The first thing I thought about was, 'These guys [are] running, he's acting like he has a gun. He may be running to go get a gun.'"

Though the link from the Denver Post craps out before Marshall's testimony is finished, we heard enough to conclude that Marshall was the primary target of the bullets fired by Willie Clark, under the facts as the prosecution believes them to be.

So now it's perfectly clear why Marshall thinks of the situation "every night." Marshall's cousin got into a verbal squabble with some guys, Marshall tried unsuccessfully to defuse the situation, Marshall eventually "escalated" the incident to the point where a guy went to get a gun, the guy got a gun, and the guy fired the gun into a limo other than the limo in which Marshall was riding.

It's easy for Marshall to conclude that the bullet that killed Williams was meant for him, especially since at the moment the testimony cuts out, Marshall is explaining that at one point in the evening he got in the Hummer limo in which Williams was riding, which likely represents an effort by prosecutors to explain Willie Clark's confusion regarding the proper target of the bullets that were fired.

Given all of the problems Marshall has had, it's hard to ever regard him as sympathetic. But we feel badly for him on this one. For the rest of his life, he has to carry around the feeling that he helped stir up a situation that ultimately claimed the life of a teammate who also was, by all appearances, an innocent bystander.
 

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explain what?

he got his teamate killed, after it he acted like they were best friends. Turns out they weren't that close and Marshall got Williams killed by mouthing off to the wrong person.

and on top of that he has been a pain in the butt for that team since they signed him.

If something that bad happened to me, if I was responsible for the death of someone, I would wake up and get my head right.

This guy hasn't gotten any better, he got benched for attitude problems last season.

I say it again, Whatta scumbag.
 

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Dash28;3289509 said:
Maybe he is the reason that DW is dead.

Yes, because bullets in Williams' body were found to match those of a gun with Brandon Marshall's fingerprints on it that was discarded near the scene of the crime :rolleyes:

Somebody that was trying to kill Brandon Marshall killed someone else... that doesn't make it Marshall's fault. He wasn't holding a gun. He didn't pull a trigger. He DID have a minor altercation, so I guess these days that means one has culpability in any subsequent murders committed by those you have conflicts with... according to you anyway...
 

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Thatkidbob;3289520 said:
Yes, because bullets in Williams' body were found to match those of a gun with Brandon Marshall's fingerprints on it that was discarded near the scene of the crime :rolleyes:

Somebody that was trying to kill Brandon Marshall killed someone else... that doesn't make it Marshall's fault. He wasn't holding a gun. He didn't pull a trigger. He DID have a minor altercation, so I guess these days that means one has culpability in any subsequent murders committed by those you have conflicts with... according to you anyway...
Could you tell me that it would have happened without the altercation by Marshall? Just like Marshall yelling at a car passing and getting a guy in the car punched. And at what point did I say Marshall shot him or had a gun, i'm saying his altercation with these guys most likely led to the shooting at him but hit DW. I'm not blaming marshall for the shooting because it was that ***** that shot, but his altercation most likely led to the events that occured.
 

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Thatkidbob;3289520 said:
Yes, because bullets in Williams' body were found to match those of a gun with Brandon Marshall's fingerprints on it that was discarded near the scene of the crime :rolleyes:

Somebody that was trying to kill Brandon Marshall killed someone else... that doesn't make it Marshall's fault. He wasn't holding a gun. He didn't pull a trigger. He DID have a minor altercation, so I guess these days that means one has culpability in any subsequent murders committed by those you have conflicts with... according to you anyway...



Yes, it is Marshall's fault. Period. The end. No discussion.

He is personally responsible for the death of Williams. If not for Brandon Marshall Williams would be alive right now.
 

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Four;3289527 said:
Yes, it is Marshall's fault. Period. The end. No discussion.

He is personally responsible for the death of Williams. If not for Brandon Marshall Williams would be alive right now.

Dude, do you normally go and shoot people who say the wrong things to you?

Or expect to get shot at when you say wrong things?

It's not as if Brandon Marshall was like, "lol, watch me call this guy an *******, I bet he can't shoot me!"
 

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Dash28;3289523 said:
Could you tell me that it would have happened without the altercation by Marshall? And at what point did I say Marshall shot him or had a gun, i'm saying his altercation with these guys most likely led to the shooting at him but hit DW.

It never would have happened, if one of those three were never born. :rolleyes:

Some people have a warped sense of casuality.
 

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Dash28;3289523 said:
Could you tell me that it would have happened without the altercation by Marshall? Just like Marshall yelling at a car passing and getting a guy in the car punched. And at what point did I say Marshall shot him or had a gun, i'm saying his altercation with these guys most likely led to the shooting at him but hit DW.

Wouldn't have happened if guns didn't exist.

Must be the fault of the gun makers.

Likely wouldn't have happened if windows weren't tinted......no mistaken identity.

Must be the fault of the window tinters.

Wouldn't have happened if limos were bullet proof...........to hell with limo companies.
 

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Four;3289527 said:
Yes, it is Marshall's fault. Period. The end. No discussion.

He is personally responsible for the death of Williams. If not for Brandon Marshall Williams would be alive right now.


Yea. Because Marshall pulled the trigger.
 

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Hoofbite;3289540 said:
Wouldn't have happened if guns didn't exist.

Must be the fault of the gun makers.

Likely wouldn't have happened if windows weren't tinted......no mistaken identity.

Must be the fault of the window tinters.

Wouldn't have happened if limos were bullet proof...........to hell with limo companies.
Yep. ;)
 

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No way I want this scumbucket on the Cowboys roster .... we got rid of people like this. Keep it that way.
 

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I definitely don't put all the blame on Marshall, and I think he deserves sympathy on this one. No one expects to get shot at from a minor altercation. No one can predict that. Those calling him a scumbag for this are scumbags to me.
 

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brickman;3289549 said:
No way I want this scumbucket on the Cowboys roster .... we got rid of people like this. Keep it that way.
That is the bottom line for me also.
 

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Dash28;3289523 said:
Could you tell me that it would have happened without the altercation by Marshall? And at what point did I say Marshall shot him or had a gun, i'm saying his altercation with these guys most likely led to the shooting at him but hit DW.

Listen.

I understand your reasoning...

The basic layout of the situation is... You and someone get into it, and that person retaliates against a 3rd person with the intention of retaliating against you.

You're arguing that without the initial altercation the rest of the chain of events doesn't occur. And you're right, in a limited sense. I say in a limited sense because the most important decisions made that led to Williams' death were not made by Marshall.

Let's say that Williams was hooked up to a life support machine, and that if the machine remained plugged in he would eventually recover, but if it were unplugged he would die. If Brandon Marshall were to decide to unplug that machine, then yes, he would be responsible for killing Williams. However, lets say that Marshall gets into a scuffle with an orderly and, afterwards, the spiteful orderly decides to pull the plug on Williams because he's infuriated and feels like taking it out on someone.

In that scenario is Marshall guilty of Williams' death?

Or is it the orderly?

links18;3289532 said:
It never would have happened, if one of those three were never born. :rolleyes:

Some people have a warped sense of casuality.

Agreed...
 

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