Babe Laufenberg comments on Zeke

[jazzcat22]

http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...ott-potential-something-crazy-special-cowboys

"Elliott has a chance to honestly be something crazy special. When I was talking about Elliott and people said, 'You don't need Elliott because that offensive line would make an average back good.' But I said, 'Why not make a great back a Hall of Famer?'"

This got me thinking and of a few other things I read. I have a question.

How many of you last year was saying you would give up a first for AP...then when the team said RBBC, you disagreed and wanted the likes of Michael from Seattle...then changed to, any RB can run behind OL coming into this years draft, we don't need a RB in the 1st, but yet was willing to trade a first last year for AP....

No this is not a call out thread, I am just curious, if you will be honest and went back and forth between all of this. And there is nothing wrong with it either. Just wondering how fans change their minds and / or opinions over the course of a year.

Like I started out saying go QB, you must go QB up to a few weeks before the draft, I realized Zeke was really more of a possibility, and QB was not. Then pushed for Zeke big time.
Now fast forward to next year, I may push Defense from the get go, then change to needing another WR, or may go QB again.
But picking 32, just BPA....

 

[big dog cowboy]

Just wondering how fans change their minds and / or opinions over the course of a year.

After Romo and Dez went down it didn't matter.

 

[DFWJC]

Highly doubt people wanting to trade a 1st for AP (and pay that huge salary) did not also want Elliott.
There may be some the other way around--that is, those wanting a young Elliott, but not wanting AP at this stage.

Of those NOT wanting Elliott with the 4th overall pick, I'm guessing almost none of them wanted to spend a 1st and cap space on AP last year.

 

[Idgit]

I've been pretty consistent in not being willing to spend resources at RB, and I think we overspent for Zeke (like the player, but we overspent). Peterson was an exception, because he actually is a special back. But even then the closest I got was flirting with being willing to overspend last season using that 60th pick or whatever it was we spent on Gregory.

Failing that, there's not really anything inconsistent with recognizing we were good enough along the OL to get by with what we had last season. The running game was adequate and wasn't one of the many things that was getting us beat last season.

Overall, I think the team played it just right but crapped out in the draft when Gregory dropped and the lower round backs we liked got picked early. But missing on the risk we took on Gregory and then reaching for a RB at 4 ended up being a bad use of resources.

 

[Stash]

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"Elliott has a chance to honestly be something crazy special. When I was talking about Elliott and people said, 'You don't need Elliott because that offensive line would make an average back good.' But I said, 'Why not make a great back a Hall of Famer?'"

This got me thinking and of a few other things I read. I have a question.

How many of you last year was saying you would give up a first for AP...then when the team said RBBC, you disagreed and wanted the likes of Michael from Seattle...then changed to, any RB can run behind OL coming into this years draft, we don't need a RB in the 1st, but yet was willing to trade a first last year for AP....

No this is not a call out thread, I am just curious, if you will be honest and went back and forth between all of this. And there is nothing wrong with it either. Just wondering how fans change their minds and / or opinions over the course of a year.

Like I started out saying go QB, you must go QB up to a few weeks before the draft, I realized Zeke was really more of a possibility, and QB was not. Then pushed for Zeke big time.
Now fast forward to next year, I may push Defense from the get go, then change to needing another WR, or may go QB again.
But picking 32, just BPA....

I was all for trading this year's #1 for Adrian Peterson last year. Because you would have gotten him for last season and obviously future seasons too.

But after seeing what this line could do for McFadden, despite all of the obvious issues, it made me realize that the line could make good running backs like Murray great, and mediocre (at that point) running backs like McFadden into good ones.

I didn't feel that running back was the team's biggest need and I still don't, but the die has been cast. So now at this point, I'm hoping and expecting Elliott to be one of the league's top rushers this year. Given the investment and the proven productivity of this offensive line, it's a natural expectation to have.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

It was a mistake the way we handled DM. Lets say Romo and Dez didn't go down. We still weren't the team we were in 2014.....

It was a mistake...........

The actions of the FO, by signing Morris, drafting one 4TH over all and picking up another RB later on in Jackson...................should tell ya, they even themselves recognize the mistake. It was a mistake and they are trying to correct it. And they did exactly like.

I loved the Morris signing. Absolutely loved it. Then they go and get EE..... Are you kidding me??

Im back on the SB train baby. Okay , maybe the playoff train for now.

But one thing we can deduce from all of this.. Were going to Run that football. 3rd and 4/5? We just might run the damn thing....

I am in heaven and excited about the upcoming season.

I hope we get a better BU QB, get a few wins if Romo is out for 4 or 5......But, Im thinking playoffs this year.

 

[TheCount]

The problem with these sorts of arguments is that it mashes a bunch of different points of view into a single straw man you can argue against, with no retort.

Find me the person that wanted to give a 1st for Adrian Peterson but is also against the Zeke pickup.

To that point, even if someone did want to give up a 1st for AP last year - having AP probably means you aren't picking 4th overall. Or at least it better mean that, because that's the premise of taking Zeke 4th overall this year - that it means we won't be picking 4th overall against next year.

 

[JoeBoBBY]

The problem with these sorts of arguments is that it mashes a bunch of different points of view into a single straw man you can argue against, with no retort.

Find me the person that wanted to give a 1st for Adrian Peterson but is also against the Zeke pickup.

To that point, even if someone did want to give up a 1st for AP last year - having AP probably means you aren't picking 4th overall. Or at least it better mean that, because that's the premise of taking Zeke 4th overall this year - that it means we won't be picking 4th overall against next year.

I wanted to give a 1 for AP Count. And, they called me crazy, count. they called me crazy...................!!!

edit: But this will work too!!! maybe even better....

 

[VACowboy]

I wonder which player either of those guys would have taken at #34 who'd have significantly increased the team's chances to contend in 2016. In my opinion, none of them would have near the impact of a healthy Jaylen Smith. Smith's health is a gamble, no doubt. But considering his talent and the fact that Dr. Cooper fixed Smith's knee, I think it's a gamble worth taking. All things considered, I think there's a much better chance that Smith makes the Cowboys a contender in 2017 and beyond than Spence or Bullard would have in 2016.

 

[jazzcat22]

The problem with these sorts of arguments is that it mashes a bunch of different points of view into a single straw man you can argue against, with no retort.

Find me the person that wanted to give a 1st for Adrian Peterson but is also against the Zeke pickup.

To that point, even if someone did want to give up a 1st for AP last year - having AP probably means you aren't picking 4th overall. Or at least it better mean that, because that's the premise of taking Zeke 4th overall this year - that it means we won't be picking 4th overall against next year.

Sounds like a flux capacitor problem for an experiment for a time travel paradox....if you go back in time and change the future, will that alter the future so you can't go back in time to change it....LOL...

 

[JoeBoBBY]

Sounds like a flux capacitor problem for an experiment for a time travel paradox....if you go back in time and change the future, will that alter the future so you can't go back in time to change it....LOL...

Great Scott!!!!

I think he passed awhile ago....

 

[TheCount]

Sounds like a flux capacitor problem for an experiment for a time travel paradox....if you go back in time and change the future, will that alter the future so you can't go back in time to change it....LOL...

 

[tyke1doe]

I admit, I was among the "any back can run behind this offensive line." But after witnessing what McFadden did behind the line without Tony Romo and realizing that McFadden is older and may be prone to future injury, and recognizing that while a good back and do good behind this line, a great back will do great behind this line, and factoring in all Ezekiel Elliott can do besides run the ball, I changed to favor him as the pick.

And I still don't regret we let Murray go. It was the "right" thing to do.

I would have preferred a trade down to get Elliott, but I thought he was too great a talent to miss out on with a trade down so I was comfortable with the pick at #4.

 

[WillieBeamen]

Last year, I wanted AP. I wouldnt have minded parting away with our late 1st for him. He is that special. Once the Vikings GM said they werent trading or releasing him, I wanted Gurley.

Fast forward to this offseason, I wanted a QB since we were drafting so high. Once the top QBs went off the board, I wanted us to take the best player in the draft, Zeke

 

[Supercowboy1986]

The problem with these sorts of arguments is that it mashes a bunch of different points of view into a single straw man you can argue against, with no retort.

Find me the person that wanted to give a 1st for Adrian Peterson but is also against the Zeke pickup.

To that point, even if someone did want to give up a 1st for AP last year - having AP probably means you aren't picking 4th overall. Or at least it better mean that, because that's the premise of taking Zeke 4th overall this year - that it means we won't be picking 4th overall against next year.

This. I'd be interested to read what those posters opinions are and their current stance.

I find it a bit ironic that the posters who wanted to trade a 1st for someone who just suffered a major knee injury (at the time - it may had happened the year prior but can't remember) was out a year in addition to his off the field issue (child abuse) and is/was pushing 30 (the number everyone loves to throw around here.)

It seems to me that the factors involved for giving up the 4th round pick (EE) for an older/damaged AP doesn't make a lot of sense. If the trade would of happened I think it would be quickly labeled a "Jerry move" and it would begin the postings of multiple threads saying the same thing about coaches, front office, Jerry, blah blah blah. Yes, ap is more of "proven commodity" but let's not act like he doesn't have flaws to his game. Everyone knows he is not a good pass protector and sits out during passing plays. Not sure how he is as a reciever/route runner but I'll let you guys educate me on that. I just can't find the logic on passing on a 3 down young back for someone you can label a "1 trick pony" albeit doing his 1 trick very well that is significantly older and has had off the field issues and DID suffer a major knee injury.

FYI I don't have an agenda, just making an observation of the anomaly that is CZ.

 

[Silver N Blue]

All for AD last year and all for Zeke this year....I am the bellcow supporter.

 

[CyberB0b]

I've been pretty consistent in not being willing to spend resources at RB, and I think we overspent for Zeke (like the player, but we overspent). Peterson was an exception, because he actually is a special back. But even then the closest I got was flirting with being willing to overspend last season using that 60th pick or whatever it was we spent on Gregory.

Failing that, there's not really anything inconsistent with recognizing we were good enough along the OL to get by with what we had last season. The running game was adequate and wasn't one of the many things that was getting us beat last season.

Overall, I think the team played it just right but crapped out in the draft when Gregory dropped and the lower round backs we liked got picked early. But missing on the risk we took on Gregory and then reaching for a RB at 4 ended up being a bad use of resources.

This was a weird draft. Not a lot of top 10 talent. Anyone you would have taken at #4 would have been overspending. LA and Philly way overpaid for those two QBs. SD way overpaid for Joey Bosa.

 

[VACowboy]

The problem with these sorts of arguments is that it mashes a bunch of different points of view into a single straw man you can argue against, with no retort.

Find me the person that wanted to give a 1st for Adrian Peterson but is also against the Zeke pickup.

To that point, even if someone did want to give up a 1st for AP last year - having AP probably means you aren't picking 4th overall. Or at least it better mean that, because that's the premise of taking Zeke 4th overall this year - that it means we won't be picking 4th overall against next year.

If AP were 25 instead of going on 31, I'd have been all for giving a #1 for him too, but I think age and the fact that he hadn't played football in a year were legit concerns. It comes down to whether you prefer a 31-year old AD and one of Shaq Lawson/Darron Lee/William Jackson/Kenny Clark--or Byron Jones and Zeke Elliot. I guess if you trade for Peterson the idea is you also get a playoff run in 2015, but IMHO, once Romo goes down it doesn't matter who's running the ball.

 

[garyv]

http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...ott-potential-something-crazy-special-cowboys

"Elliott has a chance to honestly be something crazy special. When I was talking about Elliott and people said, 'You don't need Elliott because that offensive line would make an average back good.' But I said, 'Why not make a great back a Hall of Famer?'"

This got me thinking and of a few other things I read. I have a question.

How many of you last year was saying you would give up a first for AP...then when the team said RBBC, you disagreed and wanted the likes of Michael from Seattle...then changed to, any RB can run behind OL coming into this years draft, we don't need a RB in the 1st, but yet was willing to trade a first last year for AP....

No this is not a call out thread, I am just curious, if you will be honest and went back and forth between all of this. And there is nothing wrong with it either. Just wondering how fans change their minds and / or opinions over the course of a year.

Like I started out saying go QB, you must go QB up to a few weeks before the draft, I realized Zeke was really more of a possibility, and QB was not. Then pushed for Zeke big time.
Now fast forward to next year, I may push Defense from the get go, then change to needing another WR, or may go QB again.
But picking 32, just BPA....

I think he can be but one mistake I think the Cowboys didn't address was the fact if Dez goes down again you still don't have
a #1 WR next season. My personal feeling I would sign Anquan Bolden as a Free Agent signing, hes not a speedster but still
can burn teams on some deeper routes and hes very strong.

 

[DandyDon52]

I was against getting AP, but for getting elliot.