Babe: Time To Seriously Consider Cutting McClain

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I think a mod just gave you a hint to quit derailing the thread.

FYI - I don't think I said the laws were stupid, that was another poster. I inferred that laws don't define morality.

Based on the hint from the mod to move on, I'm not going to respond to you on this topic any further.

The definition of morality gets into areas that are forbidden on this site (religion and politics).

This conversation was already derailed by the time I joined it. I saw morality and certain laws being called stupid and therefore okay to break. I only jumped in to call BS on that line of thinking. But I digress...
 

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If that guy is holding a joint he's breaking the law, unless he's on the other side of that monument. So when does he become immoral?

BTW, I have no idea who this guy is and he's most likely not holding a joint. He's just someone standing next to the Preston Monument which marks the border of three states.
 

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Whether he's cut now or not there is a very legitimate chance that he'll never suit up and play for the Cowboys again.

Edit: And I don't mean in preseason games.

I guess there's a chance. I don't think there's very much of a chance.
 

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This conversation was already derailed by the time I joined it. I saw morality and certain laws being called stupid and therefore okay to break. I only jumped in to call BS on that line of thinking. But I digress...

Some laws should be questioned. If it is a legitimate question supported by the people of America it will be changed. Perhaps confirming the law was in fact stupid.
 

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I guess there's a chance. I don't think there's very much of a chance.

Considering 2 failures in the last 4 1/2 moths and 4 overall , and the fact that he's not going to play for at least another 3 months, I'd say there is a pretty good chance he's going to screw up again before he ever gets on the field. His next failure will result in either 10 games or 1 season, depending on the substance.
 

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At this point keep him till week 5 - see what happens on the field.
He is there as insurance. He has given the Cowboys some CAP savings.
 

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If that guy is holding a joint he's breaking the law, unless he's on the other side of that monument. So when does he become immoral?

BTW, I have no idea who this guy is and he's most likely not holding a joint. He's just someone standing next to the Preston Monument which marks the border of three states.

It would be funny if he had a joint or bong and was pretending to step from the Colorado side to the Oklahoma side.
 

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Considering 2 failures in the last 4 1/2 moths and 4 overall , and the fact that he's not going to play for at least another 3 months, I'd say there is a pretty good chance he's going to screw up again before he ever gets on the field. His next failure will result in either 10 games or 1 season, depending on the substance.

It could be looked at that way. Or the way I'm looking at it.
He's not a moron. If fact academically he's very smart. I think he makes the choice of staying clean for a while.
 

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It could be looked at that way. Or the way I'm looking at it.
He's not a moron. If fact academically he's very smart. I think he makes the choice of staying clean for a while.

Honestly, that's what I thought before THIS failure.
 

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You didn't answer my question about prohibition.

I didn't see your question about Prohibition. What was your point about Prohibition?
But to the more general point, I did not say all laws are moral laws. I said laws are a good indication of morality. In the case of a society, laws generally indicate what a society feels is "right" to do and what a society feel is "wrong" to do.
 

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I didn't see your question about Prohibition. What was your point about Prohibition?
But to the more general point, I did not say all laws are moral laws. I said laws are a good indication of morality. In the case of a society, laws generally indicate what a society feels is "right" to do and what a society feel is "wrong" to do.

As I said to another poster, morality gets into subjects that are forbidden here (politics and religion) and I'm going to quit discussion the topic.

My point was that during prohibition, 1 day drinking alcohol was legal and the next day is was not. Either people that continued to drink were moral or immoral and that didn't really change when the law changed, IMO.
 

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It would be funny if he had a joint or bong and was pretending to step from the Colorado side to the Oklahoma side.

If he set up the bong on the Oklahoma side and hit it from the Colorado side he'd be guilty of possession but not of smoking it, even while he got high. Or would he?

Trippy.
 

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If he set up the bong on the Oklahoma side and hit it from the Colorado side he'd be guilty of possession but not of smoking it, even while he got high. Or would he?

Trippy.

Do you have any Cheetos?
 

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It could be looked at that way. Or the way I'm looking at it.
He's not a moron. If fact academically he's very smart. I think he makes the choice of staying clean for a while.

Hopefully. McClain is a smart guy but he has done plenty of dumb stuff in the past. A lot of this is perception, there are plenty of current Cowboys that have a weakness for alcohol but we don't hear about it. Other players have a weakness for weed and we hear about some but not others. Greg Hardy had a weakness for crazy strippers and the whole world heard about. To me its more about whether the player plays hard on Sunday than any stark morality contrast.
 

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As I said to another poster, morality gets into subjects that are forbidden here (politics and religion) and I'm going to quit discussion the topic.

My point was that during prohibition, 1 day drinking alcohol was legal and the next day is was not. Either people that continued to drink were moral or immoral and that didn't really change when the law changed, IMO.

First, unfortunately, you're trying to argue an exception rather the rule. You can always find exceptions, but those exceptions don't negate the general rule, which is what my point is about. In general, laws reflect a society's morality. It doesn't matter whether those laws change at some point in the future. If it is illegal at the time in which you live, then, according to society, it is the wrong thing to do.
Second, you have to look behind the law to determine what the law is trying to address and whether it can be adequately addressed broadly or more specifically.
For example, what was the purpose for Prohibition? At that time, our society feared the consequences of drinking alcohol because it could lead to drunkenness that could harm others. Harming others is wrong. But because the cost of maintaining Prohibition was so high for society and because our society values personal freedom more highly, people at that time felt it wasn't worth it to maintain Prohibition.
But the reason for wanting Prohibition is still valid, which is why we have laws against driving while drunk and public intoxication. Notice, we may have done away with Prohibition, but we didn't do away with laws dealing with the negative impact alcohol can have on a society.
Instead of broadly dealing with the issue of alcohol, we deal with it on a more specific level. But we still deal with it via the law because our society want people to know that driving drunk and inappropriate public displays of drunkenness are wrong.
 
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Second, you have to look behind the law to determine what the law is trying to address and whether it can be adequately addressed broadly or more specifically.

I agree with you in general but its relevant to point out the history behind marijuana laws. Full disclosure, I haven't smoked weed in 30 years and I would largely agree with keeping it illegal. That said, I think it will be completely legal in most States in 5 years time.

Marijuana was outlawed in the 1930's because of Yellow Journalism that claimed it was a narcotic that caused violent, criminal behavior. Check out the movie "Reefer Madness" that shows people committing murder while high, which was part of the public hysteria at the time.

Gay marriage is all over the news but people don't realize that the Government never had marriage licenses until the 1920's -and only did so because it wanted to limit interracial marriages.

You are right that our laws largely reflect our morality. But the laws do evolve and the morality that put them in place wasn't always pure.
 

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I agree with you in general but its relevant to point out the history behind marijuana laws. Full disclosure, I haven't smoked weed in 30 years and I would largely agree with keeping it illegal. That said, I think it will be completely legal in most States in 5 years time.

Marijuana was outlawed in the 1930's because of Yellow Journalism that claimed it was a narcotic that caused violent, criminal behavior. Check out the movie "Reefer Madness" that shows people committing murder while high, which was part of the public hysteria at the time.

Gay marriage is all over the news but people don't realize that the Government never had marriage licenses until the 1920's -and only did so because it wanted to limit interracial marriages.

You are right that our laws largely reflect our morality. But the laws do evolve and the morality that put them in place wasn't always pure.

Fair enough.
 

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It's against the NFL rules and he was willing to break those rules. That's certainly a morality issue.

It doesn't have to be a positive test. A missed test or late sample can also be considered a failed test.

I'm not saying that happened but there could be reasons beyond just a willingness to break a rule.
 

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It's against the NFL rules and he was willing to break those rules. That's certainly a morality issue.

It doesn't have to be a positive test. A missed test or late sample can also be considered a failed test.

I'm not saying that happened but there could be reasons beyond just a willingness to break a rule.
 
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