Balanced Garrett take

[gmb1]

About the only guy you could say came from this tree was Eberflus, the DC in Indy right now. Jerry did say they wanted to groom Garrett on the job, looking at this as a long-term play. I think that the investment needs to be fruitful moving forward because the leash runs out for everyone eventually.

He's not a head coach though. How much time does Garrett need? This is a big game Saturday for him. Hopefully no excuses about the injuries. LOL

 

[jazzcat22]

Parcells has a coaching tree. Bill Walsh has a coaching tree. Even Tony Dungy. Does Garrett have guys that went on to become good head coaches?

Who cares. This does not make a coach not good because of no coaching tree. Yet.
Not a Garrett fan, but not going to say he sucks just because no coaches went onto other teams.

I would bet. if Richard goes onto be a HC coach somewhere. here is what will happen.

If he is a success, it will be because he really was under the Carroll coaching tree, as he had one year with Garrett.
If he is a failure, it will be he came from the Garrett tree, and he ruined him as a coach.

 

[Runwildboys]

I think generally that's fair. But you have to admit he's seemed more willing to evolve this season, maybe because he knew he was coaching for his job.

I don't know if he felt he was coaching for his job. If anything, to me it seemed like Jerry publicly gave him permission to be more aggressive. That seems to be the biggest difference to me.

 

[gmb1]

Who cares. This does not make a coach not good because of no coaching tree. Yet.
Not a Garrett fan, but not going to say he sucks just because no coaches went onto other teams.

I would bet. if Richard goes onto be a HC coach somewhere. here is what will happen.

If he is a success, it will be because he really was under the Carroll coaching tree, as he had one year with Garrett.
If he is a failure, it will be he came from the Garrett tree, and he ruined him as a coach.

You're right. LOL

 

[Redball Express]

Garrett isn't a great coach. I don't think anyone rational is making that argument. I do, however, want him to succeed because he happens to be the coach of Cowboys.

He is not a great game manager. Probably not the worst, but not great.

But one thing that fans generally miss that can impact a team's performance is how the coach relates to players. Do the players play for him? Do they still respond to his message (even if you think the message is flawed)? On this front, I think Garrett is probably above average. In this area, he might even be one of the better coaches in the league. His teams never quit on him. Every time they have adversity, they respond. That's a pretty good attribute.

I live in the Kansas City area so the comparison that sticks out to me is the football version of Ned Yost. Ned led the Royals to a WS title despite being stubborn and old school and running his team often counter to common sense. But the players loved him and played hard for him and that has value beyond what is measurable (outside wins and losses anyway).

I guess this is a long-winded version of saying I think the Cowboys CAN win a championship with Garrett, even if I don't think he's a top-level strategist like most of the better-respected coaches in the league. Sure, I'd like to not have to settle for Garrett, but I also know we could do much worse. If someone I knew was better was sitting out there, I'd have no problem making a change. But those guys don't grow on trees. And I certainly don't want to pull the plug just to chase the latest trend and make some idiotic hire like Adam Gase or Kingsbury or some dude who happened to babysit Sean McVay's nephew one time. Even Richard, as much as I love the dude, would be a prayer at this point.

That's my .02, which, due to inflation, has never been worth less.

I think you have to judge Garrett by how the players speak about him.

And as you noted..

How they play for him.

Garrett has done one of the best coaching jobs this year in 25 years.

And it's not Garrett alone.

The front office loves him..

the support staff loves him.

It's the whole enchilada.

Splitting hairs over media perception is just so much jawing for their jobs.

Garrett has now won against New Orleans and the Seahawks in the last month.

I still do not understand the logic of the detractors.

They are just obsessed.

 

[Whyjerry]

as does other teams who are not in the playoffs jerk off. What, Dallas is the only team with any talent? what an idiot. Now you want to stop the name calling or shall we continue. Running around making claims Dallas needs talent to prop up the coach what team does not rely on talent?

The stupidity of some on this forum just kills me. My point was Garrett has had good offensive talent. How many trips to the playoffs with that talent? I actually was making to case to support the guy. You too stupid to see that?

 

[Sydla]

I understand the idea that Dallas fans want to have more than a mediocre head coach. That doesn't mean it's our birthright and it doesn't mean those guys are sitting out there for the plucking.

Sure but it also doesn't mean we should handcuff ourselves to an average head coach because you are afraid it might be worse.

That's kind of silly IMO.

 

[Doomsday101]

Similar. McVay knows hes not a defensive guy so Wade is perfect for him.

But you're already seeing teams try to get guys associated with McVay. Matt Lafleur was hired as the Packers head coach because of it.

I think most every coach is going to go look for quality Coordinators which I think most would view Wade Phillips based on results more so than his age.

 

[Sydla]

I think you have to judge Garrett by how the players speak about him.

And as you noted..

How they play for him.

Garrett has done one of the best coaching jobs this year in 25 years.

And it's not Garrett alone.

The front office loves him..

the support staff loves him.

It's the whole enchilada.

Splitting hairs over media perception is just so much jawing for their jobs.

Garrett has now won against New Orleans and the Seahawks in the last month.

I still do not understand the logic of the detractors.

They are just obsessed.

It's not hard to understand.

Beating Seattle and NO in the last month are two games out of over a 100 that Garrett has coached. I am not sure why suddenly beating Seattle overrides the rest of his resume to date? Frankly, I don't understand the logic of people that puts value in one or two games over an entire career to date.

Second, people put way too much value in this notion of "he's good because the players really like him and play for him". There have been many many coaches who were well liked that just weren't very good coaches. Is having a team play hard for you a plus? Absolutely. Does a team playing hard for you mean you are a good or great coach? Nope.

 

[Future]

Parcells has a coaching tree. Bill Walsh has a coaching tree. Even Tony Dungy. Does Garrett have guys that went on to become good head coaches?

LMAO no. Garrett is like the 50th iteration of the Coryell coaching tree. He's basically a product of Norv Turner and Ernie Zampese.

I can't even think of a coach who would potentially qualify. Eberflus is the closest...but he's a defensive guy.

 

[jrumann59]

why do we even mint pennies?

too much cost 9.99 which seems to be the sweet spot because $10 would be too expensive.....

 

[Redball Express]

It's not hard to understand.

Beating Seattle and NO in the last month are two games out of over a 100 that Garrett has coached. I am not sure why suddenly beating Seattle overrides the rest of his resume to date? Frankly, I don't understand the logic of people that puts value in one or two games over an entire career to date.

Second, people put way too much value in this notion of "he's good because the players really like him and play for him". There have been many many coaches who were well liked that just weren't very good coaches. Is having a team play hard for you a plus? Absolutely. Does a team playing hard for you mean you are a good or great coach? Nope.

That last sentence thru me.

I have had responsibilities over my life where production meant success.

I had work crews that had to complete tasks that were often dangerous.

Getting the job done is job one.

That separates the men from the boys.

Leading is learned.

It takes time and mistakes have to be overcome.

Garrett is light years from where people think he is.

Thanx for the comment, bro.

We good.

 

[jrumann59]

It's not hard to understand.

Beating Seattle and NO in the last month are two games out of over a 100 that Garrett has coached. I am not sure why suddenly beating Seattle overrides the rest of his resume to date? Frankly, I don't understand the logic of people that puts value in one or two games over an entire career to date.

Second, people put way too much value in this notion of "he's good because the players really like him and play for him". There have been many many coaches who were well liked that just weren't very good coaches. Is having a team play hard for you a plus? Absolutely. Does a team playing hard for you mean you are a good or great coach? Nope.

I think the big picture is the reason why he is still here. Jerry and crew failed with puppets like Wade, Campo, Gailey, etc. And they also can't stand to be locked out like they were with Johnson, and Parcells. They really cannot lure a high profile successful coach because they are too involved. JG knows how to handle the GM/Owner and his wannabe GM/Owner son. JG knows how to handle players and staff. I know fans would love to have Payton, or Belichik type but none of those guys can handle the FO.

 

[Doomsday101]

The stupidity of some on this forum just kills me. My point was Garrett has had good offensive talent. How many trips to the playoffs with that talent? I actually was making to case to support the guy. You too stupid to see that?

and Talent varies now days due to free agency changes and changes the Cowboys had to make when Garrett took over. With this group Garrett has now 2 out of the last 3 season has seen them win the NFC East and one of the youngest teams in the NFL There have been seasons like 2015 after a good run in 2014 that I would have fired him had I a say in the matter. Yet by 2016 with a rookie QB and rookie RB he again gets this team to the NFC East Division and wins coach of the year (granted hacked off the Garrett critics)

 

[GMO415]

The players sound just like JG so yeah he has their hearts and minds.

 

[visionary]

Parcells has a coaching tree. Bill Walsh has a coaching tree. Even Tony Dungy. Does Garrett have guys that went on to become good head coaches?

Good branches don't grow from rotting trees

 

[Bob-Lillys-War]

Balanced Garrett ?

You've left out 9 years of not getting past the divisional round in the playoffs .

Its fun to cherry pick good games for garrett , but his entire body of work needs to be revised . No other team wants to hire him , they just want us to stay with him . Why is that ? ....

 

[Whyjerry]

and Talent varies now days due to free agency changes and changes the Cowboys had to make when Garrett took over. With this group Garrett has now 2 out of the last 3 season has seen them win the NFC East and one of the youngest teams in the NFL There have been seasons like 2015 after a good run in 2014 that I would have fired him had I a say in the matter. Yet by 2016 with a rookie QB and rookie RB he again gets this team to the NFC East Division and wins coach of the year (granted hacked off the Garrett critics)

Garrett’s the best!!!

Does that make you happy?

 

[Bob-Lillys-War]

Being a 'buddy' coach doesn't make a good head coach .

This types of 'buddy-buddy' coaches never make deep runs in the post season, if they even make it to the post season.

oh , wait thats garrett ,,,

 

[Doomsday101]

Garrett’s the best!!!

Does that make you happy?

Never said he was the best and even indicated that after 2015 season I would have fired if I had a say. Jerry stuck with him and 2016 saw him coach a team with a 4th rd rookie QB and win the division and coach of the year. I don't Garrett is as bad as our internet coaches here think, Also feel he has much to prove