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HAHA I bet that just cost him a couple of bucks....Nobody will sign his cheating butt now....:laugh2:
Barry Bonds Indicted
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This is what I liked to read.
No more denying using steroids anymore.
“During the criminal investigation, evidence was obtained including positive tests for the presence of anabolic steroids and other performance enhancing substances for Bonds and other athletes,” the indictment read.
No more denying using steroids anymore.
“During the criminal investigation, evidence was obtained including positive tests for the presence of anabolic steroids and other performance enhancing substances for Bonds and other athletes,” the indictment read.
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ConcordCowboy;1768284 said:This is what I liked to read.
No more denying using steroids anymore.
“During the criminal investigation, evidence was obtained including positive tests for the presence of anabolic steroids and other performance enhancing substances for Bonds and other athletes,” the indictment read.
Ouch.
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SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Barry Bonds was indicted Thursday for perjury and obstruction of justice, charged with lying when he told a federal grand jury that he did not knowingly use performance-enhancing drugs.
The indictment unsealed Thursday against baseball's home-run king culminated a four-year investigation into steroid use by elite athletes.
"During the criminal investigation, evidence was obtained including positive tests for the presence of anabolic steroids and other performance enhancing substances for Bonds and other athletes," the indictment read.
In August, the 43-year-old Bonds passed Hank Aaron to become baseball's career home run leader. Late in the season, the San Francisco Giants told the seven-time National League MVP they didn't want him back next year.
Bonds finished the year with 762 homers, seven more than Aaron, and is currently a free agent. In 2001, he set the season record with 73 home runs.
John Burris, one of Bonds' attorneys, did not know of the indictment before being alerted by The Associated Press. He said he would immediately call Bonds to notify him.
"I'm surprised," Burris said, "but there's been an effort to get Barry for a long time. I'm curious what evidence they have now they didn't have before."
Bonds has repeatedly denied knowingly using performance-enhancing drugs. He has never been identified by Major League Baseball as testing positive.
The White House quickly weighed in on the indictment. President Bush is a former owner of the Texas Rangers.
"The president is very disappointed to hear this," Bush spokesman Tony Fratto said. "As this case is now in the criminal justice system, we will refrain from any further specific comments about it. But clearly this is a sad day for baseball."
Former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell, who is investigating drug use in baseball, declined comment. So did Hall of Fame vice president Jeff Idelson.
Bonds was charged in the indictment with lying when he said he didn't knowingly take steroids given to him by his personal trainer and longtime friend, Greg Anderson. Bonds is also charged with lying that Anderson never injected him with steroids.
"Greg wouldn't do that," Bonds testified in December 2003 when asked if Anderson ever gave him any drugs that needed to be injected. "He knows I'm against that stuff."
Bonds became the highest-profile figure caught up in the government investigation launched in 2002 with the raid of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative (BALCO), the Burlingame-based supplements lab at the center of a steroids distribution ring.
Bonds has long been shadowed by allegations that he used performance-enhancing drugs. The son of former big league star Bobby Bonds, Barry broke into the majors with the Pittsburgh Pirates in 1986 as a lithe, base-stealing outfielder.
By the late 1990s, he'd bulked up to more than 240 pounds -- his head, in particular, becoming noticeably bigger. His physical growth was accompanied by a remarkable power surge.
Speculation of his impending indictment had mounted for more than a year.
In July 2006, the U.S. attorney in San Francisco took the unusual step of going public with the investigation. After the previous panel's 18-month term expired, he announced he was handing it off to a new grand jury.
Anderson was at the center of the investigation. He spent most of the past year in a federal detention center for refusing to testify to the grand jury.
According to testimony obtained by the San Francisco Chronicle, Bonds testified in 2003 that he took two substances given to him by Anderson -- which he called "the cream" and "the clear" -- to soothe aches and pains and help him better recover from injuries.
The substances fit the description of steroids distributed by BALCO founder Victor Conte. But when questioned under oath by investigators, Bonds said he believed Anderson had given him flaxseed oil and an arthritic balm.
Investigators and the public had their doubts.
Aiming to prove Bonds a liar, prosecutors tried to compel Anderson to testify. When he refused, they jailed him for contempt.
Bonds joins several defendants tied to BALCO. Anderson served three months in prison and three months of home detention after pleading guilty to steroid distribution and money laundering.
Conte also served three months in prison after he pleaded guilty to steroids distribution.
Patrick Arnold, the rogue chemist who created the designer steroid THG, BALCO vice president James Valente and track coach Remi Korchemny all also pleaded guilty. Korchemny and Valente were sentenced to probation and Arnold sent to prison for four months.
Kirk Radomski, a former New York Mets clubhouse attendant, pleaded guilty April 27 to drug and money laundering charges.
Elite cyclist Tammy Thomas and track coach Trevor Graham have each pleaded not guilty to lying to a grand jury and federal investigators about their involvement with steroids.
Dozens of other prominent athletes have been connected to BALCO, including New York Yankees slugger Jason Giambi who told the grand jury he injected steroids purchased at BALCO and Detroit Tigers outfielder Gary Sheffield who testified that Bonds introduced him to BALCO.
Edit: Added longer version AP story.
The indictment unsealed Thursday against baseball's home-run king culminated a four-year investigation into steroid use by elite athletes.
"During the criminal investigation, evidence was obtained including positive tests for the presence of anabolic steroids and other performance enhancing substances for Bonds and other athletes," the indictment read.
In August, the 43-year-old Bonds passed Hank Aaron to become baseball's career home run leader. Late in the season, the San Francisco Giants told the seven-time National League MVP they didn't want him back next year.
Bonds finished the year with 762 homers, seven more than Aaron, and is currently a free agent. In 2001, he set the season record with 73 home runs.
John Burris, one of Bonds' attorneys, did not know of the indictment before being alerted by The Associated Press. He said he would immediately call Bonds to notify him.
"I'm surprised," Burris said, "but there's been an effort to get Barry for a long time. I'm curious what evidence they have now they didn't have before."
Bonds has repeatedly denied knowingly using performance-enhancing drugs. He has never been identified by Major League Baseball as testing positive.
The White House quickly weighed in on the indictment. President Bush is a former owner of the Texas Rangers.
"The president is very disappointed to hear this," Bush spokesman Tony Fratto said. "As this case is now in the criminal justice system, we will refrain from any further specific comments about it. But clearly this is a sad day for baseball."
Former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell, who is investigating drug use in baseball, declined comment. So did Hall of Fame vice president Jeff Idelson.
Bonds was charged in the indictment with lying when he said he didn't knowingly take steroids given to him by his personal trainer and longtime friend, Greg Anderson. Bonds is also charged with lying that Anderson never injected him with steroids.
"Greg wouldn't do that," Bonds testified in December 2003 when asked if Anderson ever gave him any drugs that needed to be injected. "He knows I'm against that stuff."
Bonds became the highest-profile figure caught up in the government investigation launched in 2002 with the raid of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative (BALCO), the Burlingame-based supplements lab at the center of a steroids distribution ring.
Bonds has long been shadowed by allegations that he used performance-enhancing drugs. The son of former big league star Bobby Bonds, Barry broke into the majors with the Pittsburgh Pirates in 1986 as a lithe, base-stealing outfielder.
By the late 1990s, he'd bulked up to more than 240 pounds -- his head, in particular, becoming noticeably bigger. His physical growth was accompanied by a remarkable power surge.
Speculation of his impending indictment had mounted for more than a year.
In July 2006, the U.S. attorney in San Francisco took the unusual step of going public with the investigation. After the previous panel's 18-month term expired, he announced he was handing it off to a new grand jury.
Anderson was at the center of the investigation. He spent most of the past year in a federal detention center for refusing to testify to the grand jury.
According to testimony obtained by the San Francisco Chronicle, Bonds testified in 2003 that he took two substances given to him by Anderson -- which he called "the cream" and "the clear" -- to soothe aches and pains and help him better recover from injuries.
The substances fit the description of steroids distributed by BALCO founder Victor Conte. But when questioned under oath by investigators, Bonds said he believed Anderson had given him flaxseed oil and an arthritic balm.
Investigators and the public had their doubts.
Aiming to prove Bonds a liar, prosecutors tried to compel Anderson to testify. When he refused, they jailed him for contempt.
Bonds joins several defendants tied to BALCO. Anderson served three months in prison and three months of home detention after pleading guilty to steroid distribution and money laundering.
Conte also served three months in prison after he pleaded guilty to steroids distribution.
Patrick Arnold, the rogue chemist who created the designer steroid THG, BALCO vice president James Valente and track coach Remi Korchemny all also pleaded guilty. Korchemny and Valente were sentenced to probation and Arnold sent to prison for four months.
Kirk Radomski, a former New York Mets clubhouse attendant, pleaded guilty April 27 to drug and money laundering charges.
Elite cyclist Tammy Thomas and track coach Trevor Graham have each pleaded not guilty to lying to a grand jury and federal investigators about their involvement with steroids.
Dozens of other prominent athletes have been connected to BALCO, including New York Yankees slugger Jason Giambi who told the grand jury he injected steroids purchased at BALCO and Detroit Tigers outfielder Gary Sheffield who testified that Bonds introduced him to BALCO.
Edit: Added longer version AP story.
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Will be interested to see if they can now convict him. And does baseball go after just Bonds and not most all of baseball that also is tied to this?
Taking a legal step back, they have flimsy evidence that Bonds was taking steroids in the timeframe when it was not legally banned. He broke no rule of baseball at the time.
Will be interesting to see how Baseball goes after Bonds here. For potentially lying and not breaking any rule of baseball in that timeframe. And why they don't go after 50%+ of MLB that was doing this also.
Cough, Cough - Roger Cleamons
Get your popcorn ready, this is a great legal battle brewing!
Taking a legal step back, they have flimsy evidence that Bonds was taking steroids in the timeframe when it was not legally banned. He broke no rule of baseball at the time.
Will be interesting to see how Baseball goes after Bonds here. For potentially lying and not breaking any rule of baseball in that timeframe. And why they don't go after 50%+ of MLB that was doing this also.
Cough, Cough - Roger Cleamons
Get your popcorn ready, this is a great legal battle brewing!
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The legal dilemma is almost as simple as how do you go after a player that broke no rule at the time?
That would be like going after all the baseball players past 75 years that took Greenies/speed? Well that was made illegal drug also past 2 years. 90% of baseball players did that back in the day. Should they be gone after too?
I think if MLB can tag Bonds or the rest to illegal steroid use after they made it illegal, throw the book at them all.
MLB failed here, I do expect them to crucify Bonds and try and sweep away the other 50%+ that were doing the same. Right, wrong or indifferent.
That would be like going after all the baseball players past 75 years that took Greenies/speed? Well that was made illegal drug also past 2 years. 90% of baseball players did that back in the day. Should they be gone after too?
I think if MLB can tag Bonds or the rest to illegal steroid use after they made it illegal, throw the book at them all.
MLB failed here, I do expect them to crucify Bonds and try and sweep away the other 50%+ that were doing the same. Right, wrong or indifferent.
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MLB Steroid Policy
Over most of the course of Major League Baseball, steroid testing was never a major issue. However, after the BALCO steroid scandal, which involved allegations that top baseball players had used illegal performance-enhancing drugs, Major League Baseball finally decided to issue harsher penalties for steroid users. The policy, which was accepted by Major League Baseball players and owners, was issued at the start of the 2005 season and went as follows:
A first positive test resulted in a suspension of 10 games, a second positive test resulted in a suspension of 30 games, the third positive test resulted in a suspension of 60 games, the fourth positive test resulted in a suspension of one full year, and a fifth positive test resulted in a penalty at the commissioner’s discretion. Players were tested at least once per year, with the chance that several players could be tested many times per year. (See: List of Major League Baseball players suspended for steroids)
This program replaced the previous steroid testing program under which, for example, no player was even suspended in 2004. Under the old policy, which was established in 2002, a first-time offense would only result in treatment for the player, and the player would not even be named. The 2005 agreement changed this rule so that first-time offenders were named and suspended.
Over most of the course of Major League Baseball, steroid testing was never a major issue. However, after the BALCO steroid scandal, which involved allegations that top baseball players had used illegal performance-enhancing drugs, Major League Baseball finally decided to issue harsher penalties for steroid users. The policy, which was accepted by Major League Baseball players and owners, was issued at the start of the 2005 season and went as follows:
A first positive test resulted in a suspension of 10 games, a second positive test resulted in a suspension of 30 games, the third positive test resulted in a suspension of 60 games, the fourth positive test resulted in a suspension of one full year, and a fifth positive test resulted in a penalty at the commissioner’s discretion. Players were tested at least once per year, with the chance that several players could be tested many times per year. (See: List of Major League Baseball players suspended for steroids)
This program replaced the previous steroid testing program under which, for example, no player was even suspended in 2004. Under the old policy, which was established in 2002, a first-time offense would only result in treatment for the player, and the player would not even be named. The 2005 agreement changed this rule so that first-time offenders were named and suspended.
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ooooo he might have lied to a grand jury, OMG, that has never happened before.
As Nors said, how can baseball do anything to him when he broke no baseball rule?
As Nors said, how can baseball do anything to him when he broke no baseball rule?
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BASEBALL isn't doing anything to him. He's facing federal perjury charges. It doesn't have anything to do with what baseball does to him, unless they have a similar player conduct policy to the NFL.
It's not like basebal is threatening to suspend him. It's just a simple fact of the matter that no team will want to sign him with these charges pending, and the hall of fame voters could now feel justified in holding him out of the hall.
And since he's facing federal perjury charges, it doesn't matter that steroids weren't illegal at the time. The grand jury asked him if he had taken steroids and they believe he lied. Simple as that. It's like Bill Clinton-Monica Lewinsky-gate. He wasn't in trouble for what they did in the oval office, because that wasn't "illegal." He was facing trouble for lying while under oath.
It's not like basebal is threatening to suspend him. It's just a simple fact of the matter that no team will want to sign him with these charges pending, and the hall of fame voters could now feel justified in holding him out of the hall.
And since he's facing federal perjury charges, it doesn't matter that steroids weren't illegal at the time. The grand jury asked him if he had taken steroids and they believe he lied. Simple as that. It's like Bill Clinton-Monica Lewinsky-gate. He wasn't in trouble for what they did in the oval office, because that wasn't "illegal." He was facing trouble for lying while under oath.
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Tell me though, how can they prove he knowingly took them? He said he didn't know what he took. They might not believe him but that does not mean it is perjury unless they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt he knew what he was taking. It's a bs charge.
It is just some federal prosecutor trying to make a name for himself against someone who can buy and sell him.
There is no justification for keeping him out of the Hall of Fame.
It is just some federal prosecutor trying to make a name for himself against someone who can buy and sell him.
There is no justification for keeping him out of the Hall of Fame.
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Why 4 years later? New Attorney General and now we have an indictment.
What is alarming is that Bonds could do 30 years for potentially lying if convicted here. Our criminal system sometimes is amuck. Yet child molesters, murderers, violent offenders often skate out of jail all the time.
What is alarming is that Bonds could do 30 years for potentially lying if convicted here. Our criminal system sometimes is amuck. Yet child molesters, murderers, violent offenders often skate out of jail all the time.
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It amazes me to read some of these posts. He will serve time if he lied to the Grand Jury. These proceedings are designed to prove that this is what he did.
As all of us know, you can indict a Ham Sandwich, that's true. However, if the Feds do indict that Sandwich, chances are that the Sandwich is going to do time.
As all of us know, you can indict a Ham Sandwich, that's true. However, if the Feds do indict that Sandwich, chances are that the Sandwich is going to do time.
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Okay, just my opinion....but who really cares?
Barry Bonds is only the face of a time in baseball that is already known as the "Steriod Era".
It was only Barry?
No one else? One player using steriods doesn't an era make.
What records or even stats do they erase?
Can't just erase home runs...what about simple hits...doubles, triples?
For pitchers...Strike outs? Just Strikes? Innings pitched? Saves? Wins?
Heck, what about double plays...tag outs at the plate?
Stolen bases?
This whole thing stinks to high heaven...baseball management and ownership knew. Now they have to live with it.
As far as Barry lying? Really? Any one suprised? No, because they all knew.
No astrisk needed...Baseball has shamed itself. Get over it.
Barry Bonds is only the face of a time in baseball that is already known as the "Steriod Era".
It was only Barry?
No one else? One player using steriods doesn't an era make.
What records or even stats do they erase?
Can't just erase home runs...what about simple hits...doubles, triples?
For pitchers...Strike outs? Just Strikes? Innings pitched? Saves? Wins?
Heck, what about double plays...tag outs at the plate?
Stolen bases?
This whole thing stinks to high heaven...baseball management and ownership knew. Now they have to live with it.
As far as Barry lying? Really? Any one suprised? No, because they all knew.
No astrisk needed...Baseball has shamed itself. Get over it.
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His ex-girlfriend has testified before the grand jury that Bonds told her that he was taking steroids as far back as 1999. Seems like he knew he was taking them.CanadianCowboysFan;1769972 said:
Things like that help to prove someone is lying.
And you may not think there's justification to keep him out of the hall of fame, but you're not a voter. Do you think the 1909 Black Sox deserved to be banned from baseball and the hall of fame? They were indicted and then acquitted.