Barry Church

[Bay10]

I have been pleased by the play of Church this year. I wanted to see what you guys think of him. I he had half butt players around him I think he could shine.

 

[theSHOW]

He is a future LB. I like him as Lee's backup

 

[Bay10]

He is a future LB. I like him as Lee's backup

I have also thought he may be better suited as a lb. However, I think he would be better as SAM than Mike

 

[Boyz981]

I think he has been playing pretty well, one of the top guys on the D this year. Which might not be saying much.

 

[Falcon554]

I think he has been playing pretty well, one of the top guys on the D this year. Which might not be saying much.

yea played ok this year and being a top guy on this D is faint praise lol

 

[KB1122]

I've always liked Church, but IDK. I would say Scandrick, Hatcher, Lee, Durant, at times Carter and Selvie have all played well. But then why is our defense so bad?

 

[Bay10]

I've always liked Church, but IDK. I would say Scandrick, Hatcher, Lee, Durant, at times Carter and Selvie have all played well. But then why is our defense so bad?

no pass rush and old dated scheme.

 

[casmith07]

I have been pleased by the play of Church this year. I wanted to see what you guys think of him. I he had half butt players around him I think he could shine.

I think he is a good strong safety who struggles in deep coverage. I think he covers tight ends well when the pressure up front is good and the other players are doing their job.

He looked much better last year in the 3-4 than he did in this year's Tampa 2 style, heavy zone 4-3. I think the jury is still out on Kiffin's scheme...seems like it doesn't use any of our players' strengths to our advantage.

 

[JBell]

For a guy who is supposedly terrible in coverage, how many times have you seen Church give up the long ball this year?

With a good pass rush, Church can bring the same type of intensity/swag that Kam Chancellor brings for Seattle. He was ballin earlier in the year but hasn't made as much noise since the pass rush has faded. Not a coincidence. He's the best tackler on this team and all I see from some of you nerds are backhanded compliments.

We're going to need him to come up big today. He made some clutch tackles vs. Philly earlier in the year and played a big role in containing Shady.

 

[The Natural]

For a guy who is supposedly terrible in coverage, how many times have you seen Church give up the long ball this year?

With a good pass rush, Church can bring the same type of intensity/swag that Kam Chancellor brings for Seattle. He was ballin earlier in the year but hasn't made as much noise since the pass rush has faded. Not a coincidence. He's the best tackler on this team and all I see from some of you nerds are backhanded compliments.
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Never understood the logic behind converting Church to a LB. I think kam chancellor is the best player comparison I've seen here, or anywhere else

 

[unionjack8]

Meh, easily upgradeable

 

[IAmLegend]

Church is a good tackler, but below average in coverage and can sometimes look pretty poor in coverage tbh. We could definitely upgrade at the S position and move him to LB. I hope we do that actually.

 

[strasscat]

He would be better teamed up with a great deep safety like Earl Thomas.

 

[JD_KaPow]

Church gets the most out of his low celing. He's a safety-linebacker tweener who shouldn't be a starter in today's NFL. He came along a decade or so too late to have a chance at being a star. He's certainly worth a roster spot as a key backup and ST guy.

 

[xwalker]

Never understood the logic behind converting Church to a LB. I think kam chancellor is the best player comparison I've seen here, or anywhere else

I think Seattle could swap out Barry Church with Kam Chancellor and nobody would notice a difference. They really need to implement the Seattle defense like Kiffin talked about in the off-season.

 

[Hardline]

With all the defensive woes of this season. Barry Church is on the back end of the list of players I will criticize.

 

[Tenkamenin]

I've said since training camp Church is a LB. He lacks the range and instinct to be a good safety, however he had been serviceable. If we could find a ballhawk at FS I'm fine with Church being a SS who plays closer to the line.

 

[CowboyStar88]

Lol people digging Church are funny. The guy has been a solid player for this team. He does his job and is a sure tackler and creates TO's. When was the last time we had a safety that actually did his job and forced TO?

 

[cowboys1981]

We need to move him to WLB. This guys sticks his helmet in every tackle.

 

[jobberone]

no pass rush and old dated scheme.

You aren't seeing anything similar to what Kiffin inferred he was going to run. No one uses the original Tampa 2 although more than a few use a variation.

Here's a primer on NFL defenses which includes the Tampa 2: http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2009/09bramel_idpguide.php.

They will use variations of the Cover 0, 1 and 2 today with a lot of man under pressure with help over the top. I should say that is what I suspect and hope for esp the latter. Playing man under should help control McCoy and those sprint outs, bubble screens and whatever else Philly does to get McCoy out in space particularly on a LB. Kelly knows all this and I'm not sure he can do anything different. I'm not sure he has to as McCoy is hard to tackle esp in the open field. So they may just count on Lee being out and exposing that. I don't see the Eagles lining up strong and trying to run the ball inside but if they can do that then we are in deep stuff. They will attack Ware and Selvie early on with the run though. If Ware tries that running around the LOT then he'd better hope Holloman can stop McCoy.