Barstool Jon Gruden: The Top Three Free Agent Running Backs Matter

[sunalsorises]

Being on “Barstool” is probably not yet considered a come back, lol.

Got to start somewhere, I guess.

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

Well when you let your Owner/GM pick the starters what could go wrong?

Especially this family run business

 

[Whyjerry]

That "private" conversation also got leaked. It's still a good lesson on being careful what you put in writing and who is around when you want to have a private conversation.

Of course you are right but leaking it was still major slime ball stuff.

 

[Cowboys5217]

Gotta love the "logic" that it's okay we didn't sign a RB like Henry because he wouldn't be having the same year in Dallas. That may be true, but it also is likely true that he helps the Cowboys out tremendously without needing to be a 2000 yard rusher.

 

[tomokawan]

you know what as much as this makes sense and I agree having a good running back and a good run game is important have an elite running back is not and why don't we discuss the fact that Aaron Jones and Dylan were very good they didn't need to be replaced they just happened to replace him with Jacobs I don't think it helped that team at all they're pretty much the same situation that they had with the running game IMHO

didn't the Ravens play in AAFC championship game last year without Henry haven't they lost like four or five games or at least they don't look dominant sure Henry matters but can we not over blow this but yes those teams are having good years but they had good years before he came this is like saying Christian McCaffrey changed the 49ers no he didn't they've been to the Super bowl and lost without him they've been to plenty of NFC championships games with him and without him the three guys they had in that office whenever doing running back by committee did just as much but just from three players instead of 1??

Somehow you think that $19 million they pay Christian McCaffrey changed the San Francisco 49ers in any way I don't see it sure he's a really good running back but they were already in the same position...

Saquon Barkley did make the eagles a little bit more dynamic he's saving their butts whenever jalen hurts it's not playing well or they're not blocking well on pass protection he is helping that team a lot but not that big of improvement we're over blowing these individual stats and the great years they're having those teams are already winning they were already playoff teams last year they did not just completely changed those teams that's wrong don't try to convince me that I'm not wrong yes it's nice to have a back like that but we had Ezekiel Elliott in his prime years we had DeMarco Murray in his prime years all do things like this and it didn't help us get to the Super bowl didn't help us get to the NFC championship game...

I mean can we use a different example why don't you show me one of these running backs who actually came to a team and completely changed A-Team from a losing team into a winning team because I would say that you'd be wrong because Henry played for the Titans they didn't win much they didn't have a few good years and I'll say that about the giants saquon Barkley did not on his own make that a good team and Jacob with the Raiders look people they're on teams they were on teams that were losers and they got on teams that were already winners and yes help those teams and some games this year but you guys are way overreacting to all of this I mean because if it was that they were so dynamic that they change a team then why do the teams they come from 1:00 not retain them and two they weren't winning much....

Last time we won a Superbowl, we had an Elite back. I would love to have one.

 

[blueblood70]

Last time we won a Superbowl, we had an Elite back. I would love to have one.

Literally Demarco Murray and Elliot were elite in their prime and we didn’t win so there you go so let’s go get a Young going to draft your not paying $10 million in hope they fit in our office in Hope don’t get hurt and hope the produce..... Great team to win literally need a great team effort from top to bottom we’ve had holes in all parts of our teams and all these big game losses that’s a fact an elite running back did not help and it will not help until we fix the rest of it

That’s a lot of hope for a lot of money in a position you can get in the draft on a regular basis that was the problem not getting one of these three dude I’m sorry there’s three teams very good without them looks like it’s a perspective and by the way same thing with the Dallas Cowboys a whole tire team was elite that was an elite team that’s elite coaches, that’s a lot of hope for a lot of money in a position you can get in the draft on a regular basis that was the problem not getting one of these three dude.......

I’m sorry there’s three teams very good without them looks like it’s a perspective and by the way same thing with the Dallas Cowboys a whole entire team was Elite.

Susan was not getting one of these free agency was not getting a young stud running back in the draft we will take care of that

 

[KingintheNorth]

To be fair, we don’t have the cap $$$.

we just don’t.

31 teams figure it out.

Stephen is merely pretending they can't.

 

[rocknrobcowboy]

RBM..

 

[DZSierra]

you know what as much as this makes sense and I agree having a good running back and a good run game is important have an elite running back is not and why don't we discuss the fact that Aaron Jones and Dylan were very good they didn't need to be replaced they just happened to replace him with Jacobs I don't think it helped that team at all they're pretty much the same situation that they had with the running game IMHO

didn't the Ravens play in AAFC championship game last year without Henry haven't they lost like four or five games or at least they don't look dominant sure Henry matters but can we not over blow this but yes those teams are having good years but they had good years before he came this is like saying Christian McCaffrey changed the 49ers no he didn't they've been to the Super bowl and lost without him they've been to plenty of NFC championships games with him and without him the three guys they had in that office whenever doing running back by committee did just as much but just from three players instead of 1??

Somehow you think that $19 million they pay Christian McCaffrey changed the San Francisco 49ers in any way I don't see it sure he's a really good running back but they were already in the same position...

Saquon Barkley did make the eagles a little bit more dynamic he's saving their butts whenever jalen hurts it's not playing well or they're not blocking well on pass protection he is helping that team a lot but not that big of improvement we're over blowing these individual stats and the great years they're having those teams are already winning they were already playoff teams last year they did not just completely changed those teams that's wrong don't try to convince me that I'm not wrong yes it's nice to have a back like that but we had Ezekiel Elliott in his prime years we had DeMarco Murray in his prime years all do things like this and it didn't help us get to the Super bowl didn't help us get to the NFC championship game...

I mean can we use a different example why don't you show me one of these running backs who actually came to a team and completely changed A-Team from a losing team into a winning team because I would say that you'd be wrong because Henry played for the Titans they didn't win much they didn't have a few good years and I'll say that about the giants saquon Barkley did not on his own make that a good team and Jacob with the Raiders look people they're on teams they were on teams that were losers and they got on teams that were already winners and yes help those teams and some games this year but you guys are way overreacting to all of this I mean because if it was that they were so dynamic that they change a team then why do the teams they come from 1:00 not retain them and two they weren't winning much....

You're line of reasoning makes complete sense on why Jerry brought Zeke back...

 

[DandyDon52]

gruden left out aaron jones to vikings, has also helped the vikings who are 10-2

 

[DandyDon52]

More and more, the Jones philosophy of avoiding free agency is being exposed as a flawed strategy in team building.

Because you are bad at something is not a good reason to not participate in it. Get better at it. Or more specifically, remove the people that are bad at it from their role.

that would be admitting they are bad at it, and their ego's wont allow that.

 

[DCowboyz]

Of course it matters. We all knew this. And look at us now.

 

[blueblood70]

You're line of reasoning makes complete sense on why Jerry brought Zeke back...

No it doesn't Ezekiel Elliott was brought back for one reason last year one of our biggest problems with short yardage blocking and goal line from our running backs this was a Mike McCarthy problem last year that makes a whole lot of sense stop think then respond it Mike McCarthy would have used Rico last year properly instead of using Tony and Ezekiel elliott's old role and used Rico in it used Tony the way he's always been used last year's run game along with uh oh who could probably be our short yardage guy that'd be a combination of hunter and Rico and they would have got it done and then Jerry wouldn't have thought we needed zeke back zeke was brought back because Jerry thought it was a need because our sorry offensive coordinator doesn't know how to utilize talent it took him till game 10 even after we saw the Pittsburgh game Rico was our #1 running back and he still couldn't decide this problem stems from bad coaching and yeah you wanna blame Jerry for something it's for bringing Mike McCarthy back and once he realized McCarthy's offense didn't look very good this year demote his *** and give the play calling to schottenheimer it couldn't have been worse I mean it takes what losing your best players in order for him to start getting creative with motion and using Rico more use interpret more this is a systemic problem that started with Mike McCarthy not realizing how to use his talent we had a good running back here...

We needed to draft and and maybe you didn't read it 'cause it was long I never said that they didn't make a mistake in the offseason no you don't bring in a free agent and spend 1012 million we saw what we got for $10 million Tony powered is severely overpaid and he's not doing much and I haven't checked but last I checked I think three games this year under 50 yards and yeah he had a couple good games but he is not an $8 million back the Titans made a mistake not keeping Henry how about that and I think the Green Bay Packers made a mistake not keeping Aaron Jones he's sure doing good over there with that 10 win Minnesota team I mean literally you're not actually on the same page with me but I understand y'all think only in One Direction Jerry should have got a bunch of high price free agents 'cause that would have made the difference no not this year wouldn't have but they sure should've drafted a young buck a new young running back in the draft was where the mistake was made now let's move on..

 

[Cowfan75Lives]

Yeah, so what? Other teams wanted to improve and we didn't. Zeke wanted to be here and he's Dak's buddy, so Jerry thought, why not? We might stink, but one day we'll beat the Giants and everything will be great again. Repeat next offseason.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Another example of our FO being reactive instead of understanding the game In advance. Five years ago, we set the RB market by paying Zeke at the top of the RB market.

They realized they overpaid for a guy who was already in decline and instead of recognizing THAT they over-reacted by acting like RBs don’t matter. There are examples like this throughout the history of the Jones FO where they are reacting to the times and the mistakes they make by over-reacting.

To be fair...a lot of forum members also said back then, "any ol jag can run the ball".

 

[blueblood70]

gruden left out aaron jones to vikings, has also helped the vikings who are 10-2

the problem with that is that it was a unnecessary switch Aaron Jones and Jacobs why would they get Jacob to move on from Aaron Jones or they're pretty much the same back it did not change Green Bay in my opinion but sure it it helped Minnesota but Minnesota could have got Jacobs right but there's more than three running backs in this league right there's more than three that are at the top they're dynamic great that happens to be this year Henry and saquon just happened to be outliers but there's 32 teams in this league that have more than two running backs per team and if Rico was utilized properly this year we wouldn't have been talking about this as much if our offense was schemed better we wouldn't be having this conversation we needed to draft a young running back last year but like 2015 we went running back by committee they tried to get by with that and it was a mistake but it was not a mistake letting Tony go and it was not a mistake not getting one of these dudes at $10 million a year the mistake was made by not getting another young running back we should do that every four years and cycle through a running back and not be paying a running back in this league I'm sorry those dudes may be dynamic but the teams they're on now we're already teams that had gone to Super Bowls championship games and or been a playoff team before they arrived and the teams they were on were not.

I believe whatever was said by gruden I'm not listening to that stupid stuff because it's opinions there are more teams and more running backs available and more ways to get that done../.

 

[blueblood70]

You know I didn't even watch that link or the video because I don't believe this is nonsense I realize stuff comes in cycles but we just went through this conversation in here and I find it ironic and there's a lot of hypocrisy in here when they paid Ezekiel Elliott everyone in here says do not pay a running back a lot of miles on him a second contract you literally just go draft one the mistake was not made by getting three Oh my God 3 running backs out of 32 teams two of which are shockingly had some life left which is OK but to tell us now we should have went after one of these free agents is ridiculous it's a big giant hypocrite sign in neon no the mistake was made in the offseason one they should've never kept Mike McCarthy as he operates a coordinator 2 they should've drafted another running back with juice to go along with Rico and they should have used Rico as our primary and gave whatever carries to the young new running back that they can give him throughout the year and more of a Gibbs role somebody with juice that we could use for four or five years it keeps our salary cap low that is what they should have done I mean they act like there's only three that we should have went out there is as bad as Christian McCaffrey being so overrated of what he allegedly did for the already been to the Super bowl a few times in the last five years team without him and still got there with him and still lost with him and paid him 19,000,000 a year and now look what happened he did not stay healthy and they're having a bad year I think they were better when they had Mosert and those other two dudes that ran pretty well but they could have just drafted another young running back they go along with that backup guy who looked good many games..

Last I checked they had some dynamic running backs in Miami they have a $50 million quarterback and they have a room full of good receivers and somehow they're not getting it done... Same with The Jets they loaded their team up they have a bunch of good running backs they drafted some people in here said we should have went after and what happened to them an older overpaid quarterback apparently something else I don't know the defense wasn't as good as advertised either what are they going to pay sauce I'm just saying some of y'all here just forgot what was being discussed in here when zeke got paid there's been a lot of running backs like Todd Gurley and now Christian McCaffrey that you got to be careful when you pay these guys as much money when they've been running all their lives and they got a lot of mileage on them to me there are more important positions to pay and to get as free agents and there's some you just draft every four or five years and that would be running back you're not taking me off that narrative.....

 

[charron]

RB do matter but the drop off comes quick so you have to be careful paying them

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Gotta love the "logic" that it's okay we didn't sign a RB like Henry because he wouldn't be having the same year in Dallas. That may be true, but it also is likely true that he helps the Cowboys out tremendously without needing to be a 2000 yard rusher.

With a crap offensive line I’d say it’s a waste to use resources on a running back. I’d say drafting a guy would’ve and should’ve been the move.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

RB do matter but the drop off comes quick so you have to be careful paying them

That’s essentially every position though. Especially when you are signing a free agent that guy is essentially at the end of the road. You just gotta take the losses. You can’t escape Father Time. If you win a ring do you really care about overpaying or a guy only having one good year left?