Bash me now, but wrong QB

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I thought it all week, and I still think it....we picked the wrong time to move from Weeden to Cassel.

Yes, Weeden is labeled check-down Charlie, but he's also the guy who Witten on a deep seam route vs. NO after missing him vs. Atlanta; the guy who hit the TD pass to Williams, the guy who hit the long sideline pass perfectly to Butler; and the guy who hit the deep slant td perfectly to Williams vs. PHilly....and the guy who missed the meaningless td pass to a wide open Williams vs. the Patriots.

He's also the guy with the best QB rating and very few turnovers.

We all knew that the Giants had the worst defense we might face all year due to injuries to all three areas, especially in a depleted secondary. As far as backup QB's go, we see very little upside in either of ours to ever be starters, but I thought this was the wrong game to replace Weeden. Most of Cassel's success came throwing to TE's and RBs, just like Weeden, and he hit some receivers who actually worked open vs. a poor secondary, something they hadn't been doing.

However, we also saw some terrible decisions by Cassel, throwing passes where guys weren't open, throwing passes too soon under pressure. He threw 3 poor ints. The long pass was absolutely pathetic...underthrown, and Williams did try to come back to the ball, but it was double coverage and the safety had better position. The pass on the sidelines was a typical pattern where Williams turns and looks for the pass to be there, in blanketed and assumes the pass is going elsewhere....you can argue that he should have run to the sideline and defended the pass, but Cassel didn't even look elsewhere...he could have simply thrown it out of bounds. The pass over the middle was into heavy coverage as well, and worse, he threw at least 3 other passes that could easily have been intercepted. Even two of the completed passes we were all wondering how the defender didn't pick those off.

Maybe you need a guy to take risks vs. NE, but against these poor teams, like the Giants, I would have been perfectly happy with a QB taking the open man. ONe pass Cassel got away with throwing down the field, McFadden was wide open shorter, but was passed up. Personally, with the pass protection being very good, I didn't see a QB willing to stand in the pocket and wait to make the right decisions either.

Weeden stinks as a starting QB, but I think we win that game with him instead of Cassel....just my opinion, and I'd rather have Weeden vs. Philly as well.

Linehan finally stuck with a RB and gave him the ball over and over even after 2-3 yard gains, and it paid off. Protecting the ball and hitting the open receivers was the correct strategy vs. the Giants. Instead we got 3 turnovers and a 17.9 QBR. Will he get better? He had a few weeks including the bye with the receivers, and at his age, that's a good question. Personally, vs. the pass rush of the Seahawks, I predict at least 3 more interceptions from Cassel making rushed and poor decisions, along with floating passes.
 
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I think Cassel is a bit better than Weeden, but not by a whole lot. Reasonable people can disagree on that. I can easily see Weeden throw the first and third picks. Probably would have done a better job with the second pick.
 

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We wouldn't have won with Weeden yesterday. Cassel is the right guy give the guy a chance, it was his first game in a long while with a new offense.
 

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Cassel obviously is much more comfortable in the pocket than Weeden is. He made more checks at the line, he made some beautiful throws into tight coverage, and he's able to look off receivers. Those are things Weeden's not going to learn to do in a short period of time.

I'm more comfortable trusting Cassel to reign in the bad decisions than I am trusting Weeden to grow dramatically from a little bit more experience, but neither one of those options is particularly appealing right now.

Best bet is to play better defense and to not suck on ST coverage. I feel like a broken record.
 

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Bash me now, but wrong QB...
Right now three of the four QBs on the roster are the wrong QB. I would love to see them come away with Paxton Lynch somehow in the 2016 draft.
 

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i dont bash for opinion, you feel that way you feel that way. Either way we lost. Personally i thought we would have won under Cassel. You can admit you thought Weeden was better, i admitted i like Cassel, no biggie.
 

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I forget which panel of experts it was, either Fox or NBC, but they gave all responsibility for two of the interceptions to the receivers for poor routes and not fighting for the ball. Haven't watched the game yet myself.
 

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Second guessing is a luxury that only those in power to do something about it should indulge in. Without the power to do something about it, you can literally drive yourself mad with the best intentions. I don't allow my mind to go down that path to deeply now days. I have in the past and it is a no win scenario so now I trust in the FO decisions and try to enjoy the game for what it is. I let the bad roll off like water on a ducks back and I move on to the next week with my mental health intact.
 

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Weeden is worse than Cassel. But how much, I don't know. But at least Cassel has some pocket awareness/presence. Weeden had NONE, it was terrible. His turnovers were bound to come, and 2 of the 3 weren't really Cassel's fault.
Hopefully Cassel settles in a bit more. But, no, a mistake was not made. Weeden is a bottom-5 QB overall in this league right now.
 

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Cassell gives us the better chance to win. The team was able to run yesterday because they had to respect Cassel in the passing game. With Weeden it was load the box and dare him to beat you.

Did that lead to more points? Did that lead to a win? You think anyone was threatened by this?

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That ball was under thrown by at least 15 yards.
 

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Cassel obviously is much more comfortable in the pocket than Weeden is. He made more checks at the line, he made some beautiful throws into tight coverage, and he's able to look off receivers. Those are things Weeden's not going to learn to do in a short period of time.

I'm more comfortable trusting Cassel to reign in the bad decisions than I am trusting Weeden to grow dramatically from a little bit more experience, but neither one of those options is particularly appealing right now.

Best bet is to play better defense and to not suck on ST coverage. I feel like a broken record.


You nailed it, refreshing post!

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Cassel opened up the running game with the threat of throwing. Something weeden couldnt do in 3 games. Sticking with Cassel.
 

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. But at least Cassel has some pocket awareness/presence. Weeden had NONE, it was terrible.

Correct. Weeden would have been sacked 6 or 7 times yesterday. Cassel was able to slide in the pocket and avoid the rush without a designed rollout. We just lost in a different fashion yesterday, but at least we went down swinging.
 

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We wouldn't have been any position to win yesterday with Weeds. They would have loaded the box and killed us. He also would have been sacked probably 5 times at least with the pressure that Cass avoided.

They just need to reel Cassel in a little bit. They took the reigns off of him and told him to be Romo. There is a reason Romo makes the big bucks!
 
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