Bash me now, but wrong QB

[silver]

Weeden should not be on an NFL roster, period.

This. He probably threw his last pass as an NFL QB against New England. No way he sees the field again. He'll be a College Football analyst this time next year.

 

[AzorAhai]

Cassel said the ball was slipping as he threw it. Your attempt to make a point by using this one specific play has failed.

All you had to do was watch the play to see that. As soon as it came out I said oh crap. It was wobbling and looked like someone had hit his arm while in the throwing motion.

 

[Bleu Star]

I thought it all week, and I still think it....we picked the wrong time to move from Weeden to Cassel.

Yes, Weeden is labeled check-down Charlie, but he's also the guy who Witten on a deep seam route vs. NO after missing him vs. Atlanta; the guy who hit the TD pass to Williams, the guy who hit the long sideline pass perfectly to Butler; and the guy who hit the deep slant td perfectly to Williams vs. PHilly....and the guy who missed the meaningless td pass to a wide open Williams vs. the Patriots.

He's also the guy with the best QB rating and very few turnovers.

We all knew that the Giants had the worst defense we might face all year due to injuries to all three areas, especially in a depleted secondary. As far as backup QB's go, we see very little upside in either of ours to ever be starters, but I thought this was the wrong game to replace Weeden. Most of Cassel's success came throwing to TE's and RBs, just like Weeden, and he hit some receivers who actually worked open vs. a poor secondary, something they hadn't been doing.

However, we also saw some terrible decisions by Cassel, throwing passes where guys weren't open, throwing passes too soon under pressure. He threw 3 poor ints. The long pass was absolutely pathetic...underthrown, and Williams did try to come back to the ball, but it was double coverage and the safety had better position. The pass on the sidelines was a typical pattern where Williams turns and looks for the pass to be there, in blanketed and assumes the pass is going elsewhere....you can argue that he should have run to the sideline and defended the pass, but Cassel didn't even look elsewhere...he could have simply thrown it out of bounds. The pass over the middle was into heavy coverage as well, and worse, he threw at least 3 other passes that could easily have been intercepted. Even two of the completed passes we were all wondering how the defender didn't pick those off.

Maybe you need a guy to take risks vs. NE, but against these poor teams, like the Giants, I would have been perfectly happy with a QB taking the open man. ONe pass Cassel got away with throwing down the field, McFadden was wide open shorter, but was passed up. Personally, with the pass protection being very good, I didn't see a QB willing to stand in the pocket and wait to make the right decisions either.

Weeden stinks as a starting QB, but I think we win that game with him instead of Cassel....just my opinion, and I'd rather have Weeden vs. Philly as well.

Linehan finally stuck with a RB and gave him the ball over and over even after 2-3 yard gains, and it paid off. Protecting the ball and hitting the open receivers was the correct strategy vs. the Giants. Instead we got 3 turnovers and a 17.9 QBR. Will he get better? He had a few weeks including the bye with the receivers, and at his age, that's a good question. Personally, vs. the pass rush of the Seahawks, I predict at least 3 more interceptions from Cassel making rushed and poor decisions, along with floating passes.

I put a lot of thought into this & I really believe in your chances. I want to nominate this thread for an award & you have my full support. GL bro. I'm rooting for you.

 

[ternewt24]

I thought it all week, and I still think it....we picked the wrong time to move from Weeden to Cassel.

Yes, Weeden is labeled check-down Charlie, but he's also the guy who Witten on a deep seam route vs. NO after missing him vs. Atlanta; the guy who hit the TD pass to Williams, the guy who hit the long sideline pass perfectly to Butler; and the guy who hit the deep slant td perfectly to Williams vs. PHilly....and the guy who missed the meaningless td pass to a wide open Williams vs. the Patriots.

He's also the guy with the best QB rating and very few turnovers.

We all knew that the Giants had the worst defense we might face all year due to injuries to all three areas, especially in a depleted secondary. As far as backup QB's go, we see very little upside in either of ours to ever be starters, but I thought this was the wrong game to replace Weeden. Most of Cassel's success came throwing to TE's and RBs, just like Weeden, and he hit some receivers who actually worked open vs. a poor secondary, something they hadn't been doing.

However, we also saw some terrible decisions by Cassel, throwing passes where guys weren't open, throwing passes too soon under pressure. He threw 3 poor ints. The long pass was absolutely pathetic...underthrown, and Williams did try to come back to the ball, but it was double coverage and the safety had better position. The pass on the sidelines was a typical pattern where Williams turns and looks for the pass to be there, in blanketed and assumes the pass is going elsewhere....you can argue that he should have run to the sideline and defended the pass, but Cassel didn't even look elsewhere...he could have simply thrown it out of bounds. The pass over the middle was into heavy coverage as well, and worse, he threw at least 3 other passes that could easily have been intercepted. Even two of the completed passes we were all wondering how the defender didn't pick those off.

Maybe you need a guy to take risks vs. NE, but against these poor teams, like the Giants, I would have been perfectly happy with a QB taking the open man. ONe pass Cassel got away with throwing down the field, McFadden was wide open shorter, but was passed up. Personally, with the pass protection being very good, I didn't see a QB willing to stand in the pocket and wait to make the right decisions either.

Weeden stinks as a starting QB, but I think we win that game with him instead of Cassel....just my opinion, and I'd rather have Weeden vs. Philly as well.

Linehan finally stuck with a RB and gave him the ball over and over even after 2-3 yard gains, and it paid off. Protecting the ball and hitting the open receivers was the correct strategy vs. the Giants. Instead we got 3 turnovers and a 17.9 QBR. Will he get better? He had a few weeks including the bye with the receivers, and at his age, that's a good question. Personally, vs. the pass rush of the Seahawks, I predict at least 3 more interceptions from Cassel making rushed and poor decisions, along with floating passes.

I do agree with you. I think it was a bad choice to move to cassel. hes not a better qb. They opened up the offense a lot with cassel. you let weeden have that same offense and you will see better production from him. Our receiving core has been terrible. I notice over and over guys just stop at the end of routes and cant get open. And sorry to say it but T Will is a terrible receiver. he is a #4, maybe #3 receiver at best for most teams. he never goes and gets a ball. He is embarrassing honestly.

 

[dallasdave]

Weeden should not be on an NFL roster, period.

THAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[sideon]

So Weeden gives us the best chance even though the other team has no respect for his passing ability? A lot of us kept think that the receivers weren't getting open, but looking at the all 22 footage shows that they were open and he just couldn't get them the ball.

 

[CowboyStar88]

So he's not responsible for a terrible pass? Cassel should change his name to Teflon Don.

No I'm sure it was an explanation. I highly doubt he wouldn't take responsibility he was probably describing what happened. Hyperbole much?

 

[CowboyStar88]

It must be nice to live in your own fantasy world where you can make up reality as you go.

I'm not sure why this response but I saw what he saw.

 

[RunDMC]

I do agree with you. I think it was a bad choice to move to cassel. hes not a better qb. They opened up the offense a lot with cassel. you let weeden have that same offense and you will see better production from him. Our receiving core has been terrible. I notice over and over guys just stop at the end of routes and cant get open. And sorry to say it but T Will is a terrible receiver. he is a #4, maybe #3 receiver at best for most teams. he never goes and gets a ball. He is embarrassing honestly.

Dude Weeden cannot make those plays. That's why they didn't open up the offense. He's not capable of doing anything other than a check down. He is garbage as a quarterback. Good guy. Like him as a person and wish him lucky after he's cut, but the guy isn't an NFL quarterback. You can't play with a guy who takes a week to make his reads and progressions, won't allow routes to develop, can't move any defenders with his eyes, has no mobility or maneuver ability in the pocket, and just piss poor vision of the field.

 

[CowboyStar88]

I put a lot of thought into this & I really believe in your chances. I want to nominate this thread for an award & you have my full support. GL bro. I'm rooting for you.

 

[CowboyStar88]

I do agree with you. I think it was a bad choice to move to cassel. hes not a better qb. They opened up the offense a lot with cassel. you let weeden have that same offense and you will see better production from him. Our receiving core has been terrible. I notice over and over guys just stop at the end of routes and cant get open. And sorry to say it but T Will is a terrible receiver. he is a #4, maybe #3 receiver at best for most teams. he never goes and gets a ball. He is embarrassing honestly.

Weeden does not step up in the pocket.. Weeden is 0-12 in his last 12 starts explain to me again how he's a better QB? If you can't throw beyond the sticks you're worthless as a QB. The Giants respected the pass yesterday it was evident all game.

 

[dallasdave]

Bash me now, but wrong QB----any QB on the Cowboys not named Romo is the wrong QB.

 

[jordan20]

Wouldn't though I would ever say this but man I wish we would even had Colt McCoy or Chase Daniel has our backup.

 

[CowboyStar88]

Wouldn't though I would ever say this but man I wish we would even had Colt McCoy or Chase Daniel has our backup.

Actually I'd like Colt as a backup here as well. I haven't watched much of Daniels though

 

[btcutter]

So you are in the Kellen Moore camp, because that is a perfect description.

don't laugh but Chad Hennington had winning season in NY. More wins than Weeden and maybe Cassel too.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

The sideline throws to Williams and Street in the only places they could be put while on the run were passes Weeden couldn't make if you gave him 100 tries without a defense on the field.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Weeden stinks as a starting QB, but I think we win that game with him instead of Cassel....just my opinion, and I'd rather have Weeden vs. Philly as well.

8 days? 8 days is all it took to forget just how bad Brandon Weeden was?

Oops, my bad. I forgot we had a bye week last week. So, 15 days then. But still....

You're right, Cassel wasn't great. He made some awful mistakes. But I'm not sure Weeden would have been better. Just different.

I didn't have high expectations for Weeden or Cassel. I knew things were going to be bad when I saw that Tony wasn't getting up from that hit in Philly.

 

[Floatyworm]

Yup....Agree.