Beasley should have been retained

JohnnyTheFox

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Why are you going here on Beasley.?

Man..Cobb had nearly 900 yards in 2019 replacing him.

Now we drafted CeeDee to replace Cobb and he has superstar ability.

Does Beasley have superstar ability?

Absolutely not.

When you jump up and say stuff like this..

It smacks of what Jerrah constantly does..be sentimental and over sign and pay a player who is not worth what the Cowboys should be paying.

Lee is another one like Beasley as he never completes a season and constantly cripples the defense and is over paid and under produces.

And you want Beasley back?

Stop it.

If you want to keep it to yourself..do it.

But Beasley blasted the entire organization when he left becuz they tradedj for Amari and intended to resign him and pay him.

Amari has now been Pro Bowl for 5 out of his 6 years in the league. Probably will again this year. Beasley?

He will get a Participation Trophy in 2020.

I just do not see the Bromance..Bro.

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I am still not 100% convinced Lamb is superstar material.
1. I have yet to see him run away from a defender be it a slant or a go route etc.
2. Also haven't seen an ability to break a tackle.
He looked good at OU beating up on the Alcorn States of the world but needs a good bit of improvement.
 

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Why are you going here on Beasley.?

Man..Cobb had nearly 900 yards in 2019 replacing him.

Now we drafted CeeDee to replace Cobb and he has superstar ability.

Does Beasley have superstar ability?

Absolutely not.

When you jump up and say stuff like this..

It smacks of what Jerrah constantly does..be sentimental and over sign and pay a player who is not worth what the Cowboys should be paying.

Lee is another one like Beasley as he never completes a season and constantly cripples the defense and is over paid and under produces.

And you want Beasley back?

Stop it.

If you want to keep it to yourself..do it.

But Beasley blasted the entire organization when he left becuz they tradedj for Amari and intended to resign him and pay him.

Amari has now been Pro Bowl for 5 out of his 6 years in the league. Probably will again this year. Beasley?

He will get a Participation Trophy in 2020.

I just do not see the Bromance..Bro.

:huh:
Beasley isn't getting paid like a superstar.

Beasley was an undrafted free agent and is the definition of a diamond in the rough.

You don't need superstars to win.

Just a good team.
 

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All he does is get open, make plays, moves the chains, and score touchdowns every now and then.

He's a great player and one that shouldn't have been let walk away.

Huge mistep in letting him go.
No it wasn’t a mistake to let him go for several reasons:
  • We already had Cooper here set to get paid big money. Beasley was commanding money in FA we couldn’t afford in cap space. Would you rather have Beasley or Cooper now? Honestly I would probably choose neither because I don’t believe in over paying WRs.
  • Beasley has flourished in Buffalo because he gets a lot more targets. And he deserves it. But here, he averaged about 35 yards a game for his whole time here. He’s done better in Buffalo because they have played him more as a featured receiver.
I’m happy for Beas that he’s done well in Buffalo. We didn’t need to pay a slot guy that kind of money.
 

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Radical thinking there, but upon reflection.... yeah I'm going with CeeDee Lamb also.

Of course Lamb is going to be a much better receiver.

He's a first round talent.

Completely different receiver.

Beasley is a player that was undrafted and paid like a #3 receiver that consistently produces like one and usually produces more.

Not sure why Lamb is even being brought up in this thread.
 

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No it wasn’t a mistake to let him go for several reasons:
  • We already had Cooper here set to get paid big money. Beasley was commanding money in FA we couldn’t afford in cap space. Would you rather have Beasley or Cooper now? Honestly I would probably choose neither because I don’t believe in over paying WRs.
  • Beasley has flourished in Buffalo because he gets a lot more targets. And he deserves it. But here, he averaged about 35 yards a game for his whole time here. He’s done better in Buffalo because they have played him more as a featured receiver.
I’m happy for Beas that he’s done well in Buffalo. We didn’t need to pay a slot guy that kind of money.

He's on pace for 80+ catches this year and 900 yards.

Any creative front office can figure out how to afford that at $7 million per year.
 

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No it wasn’t a mistake to let him go for several reasons:
  • We already had Cooper here set to get paid big money. Beasley was commanding money in FA we couldn’t afford in cap space. Would you rather have Beasley or Cooper now? Honestly I would probably choose neither because I don’t believe in over paying WRs.
  • Beasley has flourished in Buffalo because he gets a lot more targets. And he deserves it. But here, he averaged about 35 yards a game for his whole time here. He’s done better in Buffalo because they have played him more as a featured receiver.
I’m happy for Beas that he’s done well in Buffalo. We didn’t need to pay a slot guy that kind of money.

Don't you see the problem? Beas was a serviceable ace. There was no need to overtrade for Coop, much less overpay. The acquisition of Coop was an organization in search of a problem. Make Beas the focal and spend the money on defense. Not seeing what they have is a huge problem in Dallas.
 

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Don't you see the problem? Beas was a serviceable ace. There was no need to overtrade for Coop, much less overpay. make Beas the focal and spend the money on defense. Not seeing what they have is a huge problem in Dallas.

I agree with most of what you said but Cooper was still needed. Beasley is only costing $7 million per year. They could have afforded that.
 

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We could have afforded him.
Just because you can afford something doesn’t make it best for the team. Again, I like Beasley. But keeping him at his his price didn’t make sense in 2019 and it wouldn’t now either. We don’t need help at WR. If Beasley weighed about 270 and could tackle and rush the QB...yeah, lol This team wouldn’t be winning a ton more games with Cole Beasley still here. That’s the bottom line.
 
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Don't you see the problem? Beas was a serviceable ace. There was no need to overtrade for Coop, much less overpay. The acquisition of Coop was an organization in search of a problem. Make Beas the focal and spend the money on defense. Not seeing what they have is a huge problem in Dallas.
If we had signed Beasley in 2019, we would probably still be 3-8, we would still be terrible on defense, and instead of a 22 year old Cedee Lamb, we would have a 31 year old Cole Beasley. It’s not about how good an individual player is. It’s about how bad we need that player at the price he commands on the market. Cole Beasley is not the difference between being 3-8 and winning some playoff games. Having a better defense is that difference.
 

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Good points.

Still think he was a big player with this offense.

And he did catch that game winning 40 yarder (approxomately) against NY in the final regular season game in 2018. He should have been given more freedom to go deep.

I thought they should have turned him upfield more often, particularly with our lack of deep threat a the time. Dez, Williams, Witten, Beasley. A bunch of 10 yard threats. No one to stretch the field. And it would help thwart the bracket coverage that was shutting him down. One more direction to cut would have helped.

We tried it a couple of times. Dak's hesitancy to fire the ball negated the advantage of Beasley's breaks, and especially his breaks upfield. Beasley didn't have the size or speed to maintain separation when he went upfield. Needed to be hit quickly on the break. Dak wasn't up to it pre 2019. And Dak wasn't much for touch on deep balls either. A QB who put more air under the ball could drop it down into Beasley deep better.

Just a bad fit between Beasley and the Cowboys. We could have gotten more out of him, but other teams would just be in a better position to do so than us.
 

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Again, I like Beasley. But keeping him at his his price didn’t make sense in 2019 and it wouldn’t now either. We don’t need help at WR. If Beasley weighed about 270 and could tackle and rush the QB...yeah, lol This team wouldn’t be winning a ton more games with Cole Beasley still here. That’s the bottom line.

Well we didn't keep anyone of defense that made that side of the ball better either lol

It's entirely possible the front office drafted a DE at 17 this year and passed on Lamb and taken a WR later since it was such a deep class.

I just think Beasley proved his value every year the time he was here and the cap hit isn't as high as everyone is making it out to be. Gotta find ways to keep good players.

The front office knew they were going to keep Jaylon and Zeke. Those are the contracts that are really hurting this team.
 

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Well we didn't keep anyone of defense that made that side of the ball better either lol

It's entirely possible the front office drafted a DE at 17 this year and passed on Lamb and taken a WR later since it was such a deep class.

I just think Beasley proved his value every year the time he was here and the cap hit isn't as high as everyone is making it out to be. Gotta find ways to keep good players.

The front office knew they were going to keep Jaylon and Zeke. Those are the contracts that are really hurting this team.
Is Cole Beasley the difference between us being a playoff team or not? No. Not on THIS team. He’s able to be a difference maker on Buffalo because they are a better overall team. They have an excellent defense. If he was here now, he wouldn’t be able to have that same impact. He’s a great role player. But his role gets lost when you don’t have enough around him to let his role make a difference.

And yes,the Jaylon and Zeke contracts are terrible. But having Cole Beasley here now wouldn’t make those deals any better.
 

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If we had signed Beasley in 2019, we would probably still be 3-8, we would still be terrible on defense, and instead of a 22 year old Cedee Lamb, we would have a 31 year old Cole Beasley. It’s not about how good an individual player is. It’s about how bad we need that player at the price he commands on the market. Cole Beasley is not the difference between being 3-8 and winning some playoff games. Having a better defense is that difference.

So you have Cooper and Lamb and are still nowhere. I guess I am missing the upside in all of this.
 

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So you have Cooper and Lamb and are still nowhere. I guess I am missing the upside in all of this.
I wasn’t in favor of signing Cooper either. Having him helped in 2018. But the last two years having Cooper meant he had good stats, but is he the difference between us winning more games? No. Paying WRs big money usually doesn’t necessarily help you win.

In order to make any WRs role have value, you better have at least a decent defense. A good defense gives your offense more plays. If your offense is playing with the lead, all your offensive weapons have more value. Because Buff has a good defense, it has allowed offensive weapons like Beasley to have more impact on the game. Beasley is way more effective when his team has the lead or the score is close than when his team is down two scores and the defense knows you’re going to pass.

Put it this way- in the NFL, many times it’s your defense that sets the table for your offense. If the offense takes the opening kickoff and scores to take a 7-0 lead and your defense forces a 3 and out, your offense then has a huge advantage. They can run or pass and it’s in situations like that where role players like Beasley get traction. Conversely, when your defense is really bad like in Dallas now, having big contract WRs doesn’t make much difference.
 

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All he does is get open, make plays, moves the chains, and score touchdowns every now and then.

He's a great player and one that shouldn't have been let walk away.

Huge mistep in letting him go.
I was highly critical of Beasley, and I was way off the mark. I dont know it was a mistake not retaining him though. I think we are in the same position we are in if we had him IMO.

I live in Rochester, see I see alot of Bills. He has a built a great rapport with Allen, and he has come through when guys have gone down. I think Buffalo would up being the best thing for him
 

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All he does is get open, make plays, moves the chains, and score touchdowns every now and then.

He's a great player and one that shouldn't have been let walk away.

Huge mistep in letting him go.
Cap cap cap cap cap cap cap.....LEAGUE!
 
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