Beginning of the end - RGIII and Gruden

[jrumann59]

Don't you recall being corrected earlier that Seattle runs basically the same offense? Repeating fallacies doesn't turn them into truth.

Seattle's base offense is not the read option unlike what the Commanders pretty much ran. I never denied Seattle did not, every team also has a few read option plays. The read option is like the damn wild cat formation. Unfortunately right now there is only one team that seems to run it more SF since you guys got Chubby Chucky. But RG3 rookie year you guys ran that read option as staple and tried to run it more his 2nd year but due to health and league figuring it out not so much.

 

[NIBGoldenchild]

Seattle's base offense is not the read option unlike what the Commanders pretty much ran. I never denied Seattle did not, every team also has a few read option plays. The read option is like the damn wild cat formation. Unfortunately right now there is only one team that seems to run it more SF since you guys got Chubby Chucky. But RG3 rookie year you guys ran that read option as staple and tried to run it more his 2nd year but due to health and league figuring it out not so much.

We didn't run it as our stable. It is a proven fact we ran the read option as an actual play less than 20% in 2012. What you are confusing for the read option, was the Shanahan reliance on the Pistol formation, in which we did run all read option plays out of. The Pistol was used probably 2/3rds of the time, and our offense was effective because defenses were not able to determine when the read option was coming. Seattle does not use the Pistol, and the formations they use the read option in are also used for regular running and passing situations.

Russell Wilson, like RG3, is not a traditional QB. Last season he had seven games were he failed to throw for more than 200 yards. He excels in plays where the pocket is moving and he can see the passing lanes better. When defenses take that away, he looks very ordinary. Is he further along than Griffin? Absolutely. He's had the benefit of superior coaching, a vastly superior defense to cover his ***, and the good fortune of not getting injured.

 

[burmafrd]

We didn't run it as our stable. It is a proven fact we ran the read option as an actual play less than 20% in 2012. What you are confusing for the read option, was the Shanahan reliance on the Pistol formation, in which we did run all read option plays out of. The Pistol was used probably 2/3rds of the time, and our offense was effective because defenses were not able to determine when the read option was coming. Seattle does not use the Pistol, and the formations they use the read option in are also used for regular running and passing situations.

Russell Wilson, like RG3, is not a traditional QB. Last season he had seven games were he failed to throw for more than 200 yards. He excels in plays where the pocket is moving and he can see the passing lanes better. When defenses take that away, he looks very ordinary. Is he further along than Griffin? Absolutely. He's had the benefit of superior coaching, a vastly superior defense to cover his ***, and the good fortune of not getting injured.

and the real difference is that he is an adult and RG3 is still a whiny little kid

 

[DallasInDC]

We didn't run it as our stable. It is a proven fact we ran the read option as an actual play less than 20% in 2012. What you are confusing for the read option, was the Shanahan reliance on the Pistol formation, in which we did run all read option plays out of. The Pistol was used probably 2/3rds of the time, and our offense was effective because defenses were not able to determine when the read option was coming. Seattle does not use the Pistol, and the formations they use the read option in are also used for regular running and passing situations.

Russell Wilson, like RG3, is not a traditional QB. Last season he had seven games were he failed to throw for more than 200 yards. He excels in plays where the pocket is moving and he can see the passing lanes better. When defenses take that away, he looks very ordinary. Is he further along than Griffin? Absolutely. He's had the benefit of superior coaching, a vastly superior defense to cover his ***, and the good fortune of not getting injured.

No matter how you try to spin it, justify it, make excuses for it, the truth is RGIII has never been and will never be an elite NFL QB and will never justify using 3 first and 1 second rd picks not to mention being the second overall player picked in the 2012 draft. In the end, he will most likely dethrone Tony Mandarich as the worst draft pick ever purely due to the number of first round picks used to acquire him. All the talk of the progress he is making to handle the basic minimal standards of being an NFL QB should be embarrassing enough as it is for Commanders fans to avoid this conversation. As I said before, the fact that he had one good year in a gimmicky unsustainable offense (as evidence of the Shanahans' abandoning it in year two) does not make him a good QB. As a Cowboy fan, there is nothing I want more from the skins is for them to stick with RGIII for as long as they possibly can.

 

[Sarge]

Commanders are a mess.

 

[NIBGoldenchild]

No matter how you try to spin it, justify it, make excuses for it, the truth is RGIII has never been and will never be an elite NFL QB and will never justify using 3 first and 1 second rd picks not to mention being the second overall player picked in the 2012 draft. In the end, he will most likely dethrone Tony Mandarich as the worst draft pick ever purely due to the number of first round picks used to acquire him. All the talk of the progress he is making to handle the basic minimal standards of being an NFL QB should be embarrassing enough as it is for Commanders fans to avoid this conversation. As I said before, the fact that he had one good year in a gimmicky unsustainable offense (as evidence of the Shanahans' abandoning it in year two) does not make him a good QB. As a Cowboy fan, there is nothing I want more from the skins is for them to stick with RGIII for as long as they possibly can.

So your response to my post is to basically ignore everything I wrote and start talking about draft picks, all the while repeating the same "gimmicky unsustainable offense" garbage that has been proven false multiple times now. Believe whatever you want, dude.

 

[DallasInDC]

Yeah, and you continue to believe you have a quality NFL QB on your roster....dude. It makes watching the upcoming failures so much more enjoyable.

 

[Sarge]

RGIII is a sneeze away from blowing out another joint.

The fork is on its way.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

We didn't run it as our stable. It is a proven fact we ran the read option as an actual play less than 20% in 2012. What you are confusing for the read option, was the Shanahan reliance on the Pistol formation, in which we did run all read option plays out of. The Pistol was used probably 2/3rds of the time, and our offense was effective because defenses were not able to determine when the read option was coming. Seattle does not use the Pistol, and the formations they use the read option in are also used for regular running and passing situations.

Russell Wilson, like RG3, is not a traditional QB. Last season he had seven games were he failed to throw for more than 200 yards. He excels in plays where the pocket is moving and he can see the passing lanes better. When defenses take that away, he looks very ordinary. Is he further along than Griffin? Absolutely. He's had the benefit of superior coaching, a vastly superior defense to cover his ***, and the good fortune of not getting injured.

RGIII will never see an above .500 record again.

 

[big dog cowboy]

RGIII will never see an above .500 record again.

Well, not with the Redskirts anyway.

 

[khiladi]

Seattle wouldn't sniff the SB, if they didn't have that defense. They'd be bums. Wilson got paid millions for throwing around 4 or 5 INTs against GB in the NFC championship and had what, like his first completion well into the second quarter of the SB.

I don't see how comparing the Commanders and RG3 and their offense with a Seattle that gets to the SB on the back of their defense as a valid comparison.

The Commanders don't have that defense...