Belichick outcoached Carroll on the final INT

[CyberB0b]

I can't believe no one is talking about this. It looked like Carroll was trying to confuse the Pats with subbing in 3 WRs and expected the Pats to call a timeout. It was almost like a game of chicken and the Seahawks flinched first. Instead of just regrouping and calling their own timeout, they tried to force the play and the rest is history. It's almost like they were baited into throwing it.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

It was an awful call. Cost the Seahawks a repeat.

 

[Wolfpack]

I saw an interview with Bill B. and he said they were expecting that play, it is something that the Seahawks like to do in the Red Zone. He said (and the 3rd CB also) that they prepared for that play, and route combo specifically. Thus the 3 CB package and sitting on the rub route.

I didn't mind the pass call but out of the shotgun was a mistake and tipped their hand too easy. They would have been better running, it would have been Lynch vs. the MLB in the hole and I'd take that for a yard.

 

[Fritsch_the_cat]

I can't help but think that 99% of the earth's population would have out-coached Carroll in that situation since anyone with an ounce of football knowledge would have ran the ball.

 

[CyberB0b]

I can't help but think that 99% of the earth's population would have out-coached Carroll in that situation since anyone with an ounce of football knowledge would have ran the ball.

Well, look at the situation. It is 2nd down with :58 seconds to go. The Seahawks still have to score a TD to win. The Seahawks only have 1 time out. If they burn it now, then they only get one shot at running it in, and if they get stuffed, they have to hurry back to the line and throw the ball anyways. People aren't understanding the whole situation.

Since the Pats didn't call the timeout, the Seahawks let it go down to :25 seconds. If they run, and get stuffed, they only have about :20 and have to use their last timeout. Now, they would be in a situation on 3rd down where they can't really afford to try to run the ball again, because if they get stuffed, the game is over.

 

[anava]

Well, look at the situation. It is 2nd down with :58 seconds to go. The Seahawks still have to score a TD to win. The Seahawks only have 1 time out. If they burn it now, then they only get one shot at running it in, and if they get stuffed, they have to hurry back to the line and throw the ball anyways. People aren't understanding the whole situation.

Since the Pats didn't call the timeout, the Seahawks let it go down to :25 seconds. If they run, and get stuffed, they only have about :20 and have to use their last timeout. Now, they would be in a situation on 3rd down where they can't really afford to try to run the ball again, because if they get stuffed, the game is over.

You want time to run down there. You run on second, if you get stuffed you call your time out. On third you pass after a timeout to discuss. If there is a fourth down you have a choice and the defense guessing will you pass or run. Bad call on second down.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Carroll outcoached himself. Pearcy Harvin - gone. Golden Tate - gone. They are a running team. That is their identity. Everyone in the stadium and watching on TV, except the OC and HC, thought the right call was to give the ball to Beast Mode. Belicheat just stood there and reaped all the benefits of a completely blown call.

 

[CyberB0b]

You want time to run down there. You run on second, if you get stuffed you call your time out. On third you pass after a timeout to discuss. If there is a fourth down you have a choice and the defense guessing will you pass or run. Bad call on second down.

So would people be dogging Carroll if your scenario played out and they threw the pick on 3rd down?

 

[BoysFan4ever]

I've yet to read a critique of that play where it wasn't said they shouldn't pass there..always you run there, they have a brute at RB. Run that in.

Hindsight is 20/20 though. Too late now.

 

[erod]

I can't help but think that 99% of the earth's population would have out-coached Carroll in that situation since anyone with an ounce of football knowledge would have ran the ball.

Wrong. You throw there.

 

[anava]

So would people be dogging Carroll if your scenario played out and they threw the pick on 3rd down?

No then it is on Russell. On third down from the one with less than 20 seconds and no timeouts it is obvious passing down. Had better options on second. Even if you score there Brady has 2 timeouts and only needs a FG to send to overtime.

 

[Fritsch_the_cat]

Well, look at the situation. It is 2nd down with :58 seconds to go. The Seahawks still have to score a TD to win. The Seahawks only have 1 time out. If they burn it now, then they only get one shot at running it in, and if they get stuffed, they have to hurry back to the line and throw the ball anyways. People aren't understanding the whole situation.

I understand that when you pass, three things can happen and two of them are bad. I also understand they had one more down to run the ball before they needed to pass. You hand off to Marshawn once more, if he doesn't score you then call your TO and call a safe pass play on third down. On fourth, if you have not already scored, you then have the option of run or pass. But then, perhaps I am not understanding the situation as well as you are.

 

[Hoofbite]

Collinsworth summed it up as best as possible when he said something to the effect of:

"I'll gladly lose the game by giving the ball to Marshawn Lynch 4 times in a row".

It is, without a doubt, the worst play call anyone has ever made.

 

[khiladi]

I saw an interview with Bill B. and he said they were expecting that play, it is something that the Seahawks like to do in the Red Zone. He said (and the 3rd CB also) that they prepared for that play, and route combo specifically. Thus the 3 CB package and sitting on the rub route.

I didn't mind the pass call but out of the shotgun was a mistake and tipped their hand too easy. They would have been better running, it would have been Lynch vs. the MLB in the hole and I'd take that for a yard.

That's how basic this offense is with Wilson. It also shows how awful they are in general. They ran 3 WRs into the teeth of the defense from both sides and threw a pass to their 4th string WR on the biggest play of the game, while having arguably the best RB in FB.

 

[CyberB0b]

Collinsworth summed it up as best as possible when he said something to the effect of:

"I'll gladly lose the game by giving the ball to Marshawn Lynch 4 times in a row".

It is, without a doubt, the worst play call anyone has ever made.

They didn't have time/timeouts to do that. I truly believe that Carroll was trying to get Belichik to call the timeout there, and when he didn't bite, they were screwed. It didn't help that they had to burn a timeout after the Kearse catch.

I am just amazed at how many variables these guys have to factor in such a small amount of time. Only through tons of experience can you get down to this level, and most people don't even notice it.

 

[Rogah]

Carroll got caught like a deer in headlights.

 

[khiladi]

Why didn't Carroll say they employ that play a lot down there when asked why he chose to pass?

That's what BB said as to why they were prepared for it.

 

[Nightman]

They didn't have time/timeouts to do that. I truly believe that Carroll was trying to get Belichik to call the timeout there, and when he didn't bite, they were screwed. It didn't help that they had to burn a timeout after the Kearse catch.

I am just amazed at how many variables these guys have to factor in such a small amount of time. Only through tons of experience can you get down to this level, and most people don't even notice it.

Carroll messed the whole thing up. You can't worry about 4th down options when you have the ball on the 1 with a minute left and Beast Mode in the backfield. You don't get beat with your third or fourth best option. If they lined it up and got stuffed 3 times, then so be it, that's football.

Throwing a slant across the middle against a goal line D with a short QB and a 4th string, small WR should've never been an option. If you think you have to throw, then play action, bootleg or throw a fade.

The strategy, the call and the execution were all sub-par.

 

[Fritsch_the_cat]

Why didn't Carroll say they employ that play a lot down there when asked why he chose to pass?

That's what BB said as to why they were prepared for it.

It would not be a bad call in a different situation, like when you have plenty of time.

Even if he had caught that pass, the way New England had it covered, I doubt he would have scored. Instead the ball would have been downed at the 1 and they would have had to call their timeout, same as a run. A pass like that is more likely to be tipped also. Safe pass would be a corner fade or maybe roll Wilson out and if nothing is WFingO sling it out the back of the endzone.

 

[CyberB0b]

Carroll messed the whole thing up. You can't worry about 4th down options when you have the ball on the 1 with a minute left and Beast Mode in the backfield. You don't get beat with your third or fourth best option. If they lined it up and got stuffed 3 times, then so be it, that's football.

Throwing a slant across the middle against a goal line D with a short QB and a 4th string, small WR should've never been an option. If you think you have to throw, then play action, bootleg or throw a fade.

The strategy, the call and the execution were all sub-par.

Right, that is what I am saying. If Belichick calls the timeout there, they likely come back and run the ball. Because he didn't call the timeout, this forced them to wind the clock down and then make a panicked throw.