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Free's problem is not strength as much as it is his hands and technique. And no strength and good hands are not the same. He doesn't have the best anchor either but supposedly that's more technique. Not sure that's what I see but those that should know say so.

Not sure about Mack making the club although he probably will as a backup C/G. I'd look elsewhere if at all possible.

Free is not going anywhere; one more time.
 

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I thought he wasn't particularly fast or strong, rather he performed well or poorly based on his attention to technique. That doesn't rule out a shift to the inside unless he simply can't handle the average additional 20lbs on DTs or whatever it is.


Free's problem is not strength as much as it is his hands and technique. And no strength and good hands are not the same. He doesn't have the best anchor either but supposedly that's more technique. Not sure that's what I see but those that should know say so.

Not sure about Mack making the club although he probably will as a backup C/G. I'd look elsewhere if at all possible.

Free is not going anywhere; one more time.

The reason Free has had technique problems is because he has tried multiple different techniques to overcome his lack of upper body strength. He has a significant lack of strength in his arms anytime his elbows get extended away from his body. It is very similar to someone that has shoulder problems. Elbows in tight, good. Elbows extended, bad. He has to rely on his quickness to stay directly in front of pass rushers to prevent having to extend his arms out to the side.

He has almost no ability to resist is a DL gets his hands/arms under Free's and thrust upwards. One technique he tried was keeping his hands lower than normal to avoid this issue. The problem with that is it is similar to a boxer keeping his hands down. It puts him at a disadvantage as compared to using standard techniques. This issue was first exposed by Justin Smith of the Niners back in week 2 of 2011 when Free which was the year Free played LT. After that was on tape, all other pass rushers started doing it to Free and that it where his major problems started.

Free is big (6-6, 325) and I don't think he has any lower body issues. His problem anchoring is that a DL can get into him because he has difficultly extending his arms with power to keep him off.

I've tried to figure out why he has this problem, but I just don't know the exact answer. Some people just have weak/loose shoulders. He did seem a little better in 2014 and that seems to correspond to some photos where he looked more muscular (out of pads) than a similar photo from a few years ago. If he does have some type of shoulder issue, it would not only affect him in games, but would prevent him from ever lifting as heavy in the weight room as he otherwise would.


In regards to Bernadeau, he is the backup Center. I don't think any of the other OL on the roster have played Center in a Pro or College game.

They need to find another backup Center for 2016, but I would be very surprised if Bernadeau was not on the roster for 2015. I think Martin might get some snaps at Center in TC. He got a few last year, but I could see him getting more this year. It would give them a lot of flexibility if Martin could be the game day backup Center.
 

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Thanks for that breakdown. I knew Free was sort of up and down from year to year and the default reason given was that he wasn't always solid on his technique. This makes more sense, although an immediate question is "why not work on getting stronger". I guess maybe he just lacks something that some other lineman have in terms of being able to add upper body strength?
 

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Thanks for that breakdown. I knew Free was sort of up and down from year to year and the default reason given was that he wasn't always solid on his technique. This makes more sense, although an immediate question is "why not work on getting stronger". I guess maybe he just lacks something that some other lineman have in terms of being able to add upper body strength?

My best guess is the weak (loose) shoulder issue I referenced. I've known a couple of people that had this issue and had surgery. The surgery is a major ordeal in terms of recovery. I have the issue myself but never had the surgery. Back before this issue developed, I lifted very heavy in the weight room, but ever since I'm very limited. It does not matter how much I lift, I'll never lift heavy without surgery. I stop at 15 reps of 225 and that has been my limit for 20 years. Before the loose shoulder issue, that would have been my warmup set.

If this is really his issue the question would be why not surgery. That would take him out for at least a year and it would take even longer to get back to previous strength levels.

It is not an injury per se, so he would never have shown up on an injury report if he does have this problem.
 

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If this is really his issue the question would be why not surgery. That would take him out for at least a year and it would take even longer to get back to previous strength levels.

It is not an injury per se, so he would never have shown up on an injury report if he does have this problem.

Yeah, and it's too late in his career to get that done now. By the time he would be recovered he'd basically be done in the NFL. My hunch is still that Collins is the projection to replace him from the FO pov, even if he winds up playing LG this year.
 

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The reason Free has had technique problems is because he has tried multiple different techniques to overcome his lack of upper body strength. He has a significant lack of strength in his arms anytime his elbows get extended away from his body. It is very similar to someone that has shoulder problems. Elbows in tight, good. Elbows extended, bad. He has to rely on his quickness to stay directly in front of pass rushers to prevent having to extend his arms out to the side.

He has almost no ability to resist is a DL gets his hands/arms under Free's and thrust upwards. One technique he tried was keeping his hands lower than normal to avoid this issue. The problem with that is it is similar to a boxer keeping his hands down. It puts him at a disadvantage as compared to using standard techniques. This issue was first exposed by Justin Smith of the Niners back in week 2 of 2011 when Free which was the year Free played LT. After that was on tape, all other pass rushers started doing it to Free and that it where his major problems started.

Free is big (6-6, 325) and I don't think he has any lower body issues. His problem anchoring is that a DL can get into him because he has difficultly extending his arms with power to keep him off.

I've tried to figure out why he has this problem, but I just don't know the exact answer. Some people just have weak/loose shoulders. He did seem a little better in 2014 and that seems to correspond to some photos where he looked more muscular (out of pads) than a similar photo from a few years ago. If he does have some type of shoulder issue, it would not only affect him in games, but would prevent him from ever lifting as heavy in the weight room as he otherwise would.


In regards to Bernadeau, he is the backup Center. I don't think any of the other OL on the roster have played Center in a Pro or College game.

They need to find another backup Center for 2016, but I would be very surprised if Bernadeau was not on the roster for 2015. I think Martin might get some snaps at Center in TC. He got a few last year, but I could see him getting more this year. It would give them a lot of flexibility if Martin could be the game day backup Center.

Martin has played C. They like what they

Calahan stated Free was strong enough. He just has problems with technique keeping players off him and working his hands to control players and that comes from Broaddus and another scout. Calahan has backed that up as well. When he lets players get into him he has trouble anchoring like most OL and that makes him appear to be overpowered due to weakness. He also has trouble with swim moves esp to the inside as well as the bull rush.

So far they like the undrafted rookie McDermott so far but he's a long shot IMO. They have never been in love with Mack because he doesn't have good feet. He's very strong though. Centers have to rely on technique more than G. And they have to be able to get in and out of their stance as well as have good feet. His only pro is he's so strong he can anchor reasonably well and he can power block. He's a liability in pass rush because he doesn't get out of his stance fast enough and he doesn't have the feet to play better 3s.

Until something better comes along he's a decent backup G and a marginal C. I think there are enough game day Gs to allow him to be expendable IF McDermott shows enough to make the squad. I still wonder if on game day they would use Martin as the backup C and have Leary or Collins to slip in to the G spot.

Too early to tell much yet including possible injuries.
 

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Martin has played C. They like what they

Calahan stated Free was strong enough. He just has problems with technique keeping players off him and working his hands to control players and that comes from Broaddus and another scout. Calahan has backed that up as well. When he lets players get into him he has trouble anchoring like most OL and that makes him appear to be overpowered due to weakness. He also has trouble with swim moves esp to the inside as well as the bull rush.

So far they like the undrafted rookie McDermott so far but he's a long shot IMO. They have never been in love with Mack because he doesn't have good feet. He's very strong though. Centers have to rely on technique more than G. And they have to be able to get in and out of their stance as well as have good feet. His only pro is he's so strong he can anchor reasonably well and he can power block. He's a liability in pass rush because he doesn't get out of his stance fast enough and he doesn't have the feet to play better 3s.

Until something better comes along he's a decent backup G and a marginal C. I think there are enough game day Gs to allow him to be expendable IF McDermott shows enough to make the squad. I still wonder if on game day they would use Martin as the backup C and have Leary or Collins to slip in to the G spot.

Too early to tell much yet including possible injuries.

Don't forget Broaddus is an EX scout. Parcells fired him because he thought he was a moron. Broaddus has said many times he would love to be a scout again but can't get a job.

Broaddus said 1000 times last season that Marinelli was going to Tampa after the season.

The primary requirement in analyzing players is just spending a lot of time grinding through it. I think on many player reviews he doesn't spend the required time.

Contrast with a guy like Bob Sturm. He does not have a scouting background but grinds through the process to provide terrific insights. He is currently going through all of the sacks from 2014 with an analysis of each. He is doing this as his side job/hobby. You would never get that type of effort and detail from Broaddus or any of those guys at the DC. com website.

One of Bernadeau's best games as a Cowboy was one of two where he played Center back in 2012. Bern has an issue being delayed off the snap. Playing Center eliminated the delay because as the Center he knew when he was snapping it.


If your comments come from analyzing players yourself, then I'll respect your opinion; however if you're basing anything on comments from Broaddus and the other knuckleheads at DC. com, I have no respect for their opinions. Broaddus has been wrong way more often than he has been correct. Sturm is 1000x better than those guys and he does not have a scouting background.

In regards to Callahan, he wanted to bench Free and start Parnell back in 2012 but Garrett would not allow him to do it. Callahan appealed directly to Jerry and the compromise was to have them rotate series. This past season he praised Parnell more than any other player. When asked by a reporter if Parnell should start over Free when both are healthy he said that's not his decision to make.
 

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Don't forget Broaddus is an EX scout. Parcells fired him because he thought he was a moron. Broaddus has said many times he would love to be a scout again but can't get a job.

Broaddus has a job and he enjoys it much more than being a scout which requires more work and time away from home generally. Ireland did not keep him although it could have been at Parcells direction or his blessing. Neither Parcells or Ireland are kings of talent acquisition although I have tremendous respect for Parcells.

Broaddus said 1000 times last season that Marinelli was going to Tampa after the season.

So he was wrong as are most people in the game at least half the time. So what.

The primary requirement in analyzing players is just spending a lot of time grinding through it. I think on many player reviews he doesn't spend the required time.

He doesn't do as much as a scout working for a team. I've been mentored as a scout and I'm marginally ok at it and certainly not good enough to work at the NFL level no matter the mentor. It's very hard work and I mean hard work and required a lot more than looking at film.

Contrast with a guy like Bob Sturm. He does not have a scouting background but grinds through the process to provide terrific insights. He is currently going through all of the sacks from 2014 with an analysis of each. He is doing this as his side job/hobby. You would never get that type of effort and detail from Broaddus or any of those guys at the DC. com website.

Strum is a better writer and may be better at scouting at this time but he's admitted he has never been trained at scouting and it shows. OTOH, I love his reads and I respect his effort which is not bad at all.

One of Bernadeau's best games as a Cowboy was one of two where he played Center back in 2012. Bern has an issue being delayed off the snap. Playing Center eliminated the delay because as the Center he knew when he was snapping it.

Mack is a very marginal C who doesn't have the feet for G much less C. Getting in a proper stance and getting out of it appropriately for each circumstance thrown at you is another matter and more important. As I said he's plenty strong but still get into trouble because his feet creates problems for him to anchor and beat quick pass rushers and respond to blitzes. There are a myriad of reasons he is a backup and not a starter. He's a better G than C and he's a marginal G. If he gets the backup G/C job it will be by default which may well happen. His game day competition IMO is Martin and perhaps Collins although I doubt the latter. His roster competition is McDermott or a player TBD.


If your comments come from analyzing players yourself, then I'll respect your opinion; however if you're basing anything on comments from Broaddus and the other knuckleheads at DC. com, I have no respect for their opinions. Broaddus has been wrong way more often than he has been correct. Sturm is 1000x better than those guys and he does not have a scouting background.

People here underestimate Broaddus totally but there is truth that his scouting now is primarily some but not enough film and direct observation on grass which is not to be discounted. Being wrong half the time is par for the course for the vast majority of those who evaluate talent.

In regards to Callahan, he wanted to bench Free and start Parnell back in 2012 but Garrett would not allow him to do it. Callahan appealed directly to Jerry and the compromise was to have them rotate series. This past season he praised Parnell more than any other player. When asked by a reporter if Parnell should start over Free when both are healthy he said that's not his decision to make.

You and I sang the most praise of any body here about Parnell and I think we were right. Both of us looked at the film on Free and Parnell. I defended Free as a slightly better than average RT when almost the entire board disagreed and attacked me for it. Look how that turned out. Callahan sang Parnell's and Free's abilities to play RT in the league and he was right as were we. But big deal. Both look the part and play the part although I've always said Free is upgradeable albeit not that easy and Parnell has the talent but needed seasoning which is not a remarkable revelation either. A decent look said so. It wasn't rocket science although the sheep here cried differently.

There isn't much film on Mack at C and he's been evaluated by many here and those who count and he was replaced by a rookie albeit a good one. He's always been on borrowed time and lasted this long because of inadequate competition. I've seen enough film on Mack to be comfortable with my analysis and it is backed up by the actions of the team.

Mack is a very marginal C if not worse and he's got competition this year for the backup there. They like McDermott but he's an UDFA so who knows about him. He has a lot to prove. Mack is a marginal G in this offense and doesn't have the feet to pull as well as Garret wants so he's on notice there, too. If he stays in his current job it's because there is inadequate competition. I won't be surprised either way this goes for him.

Fair enough??
 

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Don't forget Broaddus is an EX scout. Parcells fired him because he thought he was a moron. Broaddus has said many times he would love to be a scout again but can't get a job.

Broaddus has a job and he enjoys it much more than being a scout which requires more work and time away from home generally. Ireland did not keep him although it could have been at Parcells direction or his blessing. Neither Parcells or Ireland are kings of talent acquisition although I have tremendous respect for Parcells.
Broaddus said 1000 times last season that Marinelli was going to Tampa after the season.

So he was wrong as are most people in the game at least half the time. So what.

The primary requirement in analyzing players is just spending a lot of time grinding through it. I think on many player reviews he doesn't spend the required time.

He doesn't do as much as a scout working for a team. I've been mentored as a scout and I'm marginally ok at it and certainly not good enough to work at the NFL level no matter the mentor. It's very hard work and I mean hard work and required a lot more than looking at film.
Contrast with a guy like Bob Sturm. He does not have a scouting background but grinds through the process to provide terrific insights. He is currently going through all of the sacks from 2014 with an analysis of each. He is doing this as his side job/hobby. You would never get that type of effort and detail from Broaddus or any of those guys at the DC. com website.

Strum is a better writer and may be better at scouting at this time but he's admitted he has never been trained at scouting and it shows. OTOH, I love his reads and I respect his effort which is not bad at all.
One of Bernadeau's best games as a Cowboy was one of two where he played Center back in 2012. Bern has an issue being delayed off the snap. Playing Center eliminated the delay because as the Center he knew when he was snapping it.

Mack is a very marginal C who doesn't have the feet for G much less C. Getting in a proper stance and getting out of it appropriately for each circumstance thrown at you is another matter and more important. As I said he's plenty strong but still get into trouble because his feet creates problems for him to anchor and beat quick pass rushers and respond to blitzes. There are a myriad of reasons he is a backup and not a starter. He's a better G than C and he's a marginal G. If he gets the backup G/C job it will be by default which may well happen. His game day competition IMO is Martin and perhaps Collins although I doubt the latter. His roster competition is McDermott or a player TBD.

If your comments come from analyzing players yourself, then I'll respect your opinion; however if you're basing anything on comments from Broaddus and the other knuckleheads at DC. com, I have no respect for their opinions. Broaddus has been wrong way more often than he has been correct. Sturm is 1000x better than those guys and he does not have a scouting background.

People here underestimate Broaddus totally but there is truth that his scouting now is primarily some but not enough film and direct observation on grass which is not to be discounted. Being wrong half the time is par for the course for the vast majority of those who evaluate talent.

In regards to Callahan, he wanted to bench Free and start Parnell back in 2012 but Garrett would not allow him to do it. Callahan appealed directly to Jerry and the compromise was to have them rotate series. This past season he praised Parnell more than any other player. When asked by a reporter if Parnell should start over Free when both are healthy he said that's not his decision to make.

You and I sang the most praise of any body here about Parnell and I think we were right. Both of us looked at the film on Free and Parnell. I defended Free as a slightly better than average RT when almost the entire board disagreed and attacked me for it. Look how that turned out. Callahan sang Parnell's and Free's abilities to play RT in the league and he was right as were we. But big deal. Both look the part and play the part although I've always said Free is upgradeable albeit not that easy and Parnell has the talent but needed seasoning which is not a remarkable revelation either. A decent look said so. It wasn't rocket science although the sheep here cried differently.

There isn't much film on Mack at C and he's been evaluated by many here and those who count and he was replaced by a rookie albeit a good one. He's always been on borrowed time and lasted this long because of inadequate competition. I've seen enough film on Mack to be comfortable with my analysis and it is backed up by the actions of the team.

Mack is a very marginal C if not worse and he's got competition this year for the backup there. They like McDermott but he's an UDFA so who knows about him. He has a lot to prove. Mack is a marginal G in this offense and doesn't have the feet to pull as well as Garret wants so he's on notice there, too. If he stays in his current job it's because there is inadequate competition. I won't be surprised either way this goes for him.

Fair enough??


Like I said, I'm interested to hear your opinions, if they're your opinions. I'm not interested in what Broaddus had to say.

Fans and even other media give Broaddus way too much credit simply because he is an "ex-scout". I think of media people in regards to what I think their wonderlic score would be. Broaddus might have the background, but he seems like a 10 on the wonderlic. Sturm might not have the experience, but he seems like a 40+ on the wonderlic. It's like in a hospital setting when the smartest most experienced nurse disagrees with the biggest dumb-arse Doctor. People believe the Doctor because he is a Doctor, but forget that 1% of Doctors graduated in the bottom 1% of their class.

I completely disagree that Broaddus prefers being a media guy to being a scout. He has said several times that he would jump at the chance to be a scout again. I don't know if you listen to local DFW sports talk radio, but he is a regular on 105.3 The Fan and has repeated that sentiment several times.

In regards to backup Center, I do think they want to continue to get younger across the roster whenever possible. It would be really convenient if somebody like Martin could be the game day backup Center. That would allow them to have the best backup Guard active regardless of whether he can play Center. They would still need another backup Center on the roster if Fred was out the following week. If Collins plays Guard, it would be unfortunate to have the loser between him and Leary inactive on game day.

I disagree that Bernadeau is a better Guard than Center. The sample size to too small to make any absolute conclusion on that issue, but his best game back in 2012 was one of the two when he played Center. IMO, he is probably a slightly above average backup interior OLineman.

There is no reason that McDermott would not be on the practice squad if he does well in the preseason. Even Leary was on the PS as a rookie. McDermott seems like a candidate to be a backup in 2016 but they probability of him being on the 53 to start the 2015 season seems very low. Bernadeau's salary is just 1.5M so I don't think they would dump him for cap purposes and I don't see a rookie UDFA beating him out unless Bernadeau gets injured in training camp.

I could even see them having Martin play Center with Leary and Collins as the Guards before they would have McDermott starting.
 

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Not one of the players picked in the draft or signed as UDFAs has played a single down in the NFL.....while their potential is great, there is no way any of them can be ranked above our starting 5 just yet. I would even rank Berny above them a of right now.

Once we get into training camp and preseason, then we will hopefully be able to see what we have and get a clearer picture of the depth chart. Leary is a very good player......so if he were to lose his job to one of these rookies, I would not be too upset. I really like Leary, but if he becomes a reserve, that just means our OL is that much stronger. Too have a young stud beat him out, and then have someone of his caliber coming off the bench, color me ECSTATIC.......btw, I feel the same way about Free.
 

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btw, why no mention of the kid from TT that we signed as a UDFA. apparently he has been a real surprise so far.
 

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btw, why no mention of the kid from TT that we signed as a UDFA. apparently he has been a real surprise so far.

Reshod Fortenberry

He looked good in the very limited practice footage that I saw.
 

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Don't forget Broaddus is an EX scout. Parcells fired him because he thought he was a moron. Broaddus has said many times he would love to be a scout again but can't get a job.

Broaddus has a job and he enjoys it much more than being a scout which requires more work and time away from home generally. Ireland did not keep him although it could have been at Parcells direction or his blessing. Neither Parcells or Ireland are kings of talent acquisition although I have tremendous respect for Parcells.
Broaddus said 1000 times last season that Marinelli was going to Tampa after the season.

So he was wrong as are most people in the game at least half the time. So what.

The primary requirement in analyzing players is just spending a lot of time grinding through it. I think on many player reviews he doesn't spend the required time.

He doesn't do as much as a scout working for a team. I've been mentored as a scout and I'm marginally ok at it and certainly not good enough to work at the NFL level no matter the mentor. It's very hard work and I mean hard work and required a lot more than looking at film.
Contrast with a guy like Bob Sturm. He does not have a scouting background but grinds through the process to provide terrific insights. He is currently going through all of the sacks from 2014 with an analysis of each. He is doing this as his side job/hobby. You would never get that type of effort and detail from Broaddus or any of those guys at the DC. com website.

Strum is a better writer and may be better at scouting at this time but he's admitted he has never been trained at scouting and it shows. OTOH, I love his reads and I respect his effort which is not bad at all.
One of Bernadeau's best games as a Cowboy was one of two where he played Center back in 2012. Bern has an issue being delayed off the snap. Playing Center eliminated the delay because as the Center he knew when he was snapping it.

Mack is a very marginal C who doesn't have the feet for G much less C. Getting in a proper stance and getting out of it appropriately for each circumstance thrown at you is another matter and more important. As I said he's plenty strong but still get into trouble because his feet creates problems for him to anchor and beat quick pass rushers and respond to blitzes. There are a myriad of reasons he is a backup and not a starter. He's a better G than C and he's a marginal G. If he gets the backup G/C job it will be by default which may well happen. His game day competition IMO is Martin and perhaps Collins although I doubt the latter. His roster competition is McDermott or a player TBD.

If your comments come from analyzing players yourself, then I'll respect your opinion; however if you're basing anything on comments from Broaddus and the other knuckleheads at DC. com, I have no respect for their opinions. Broaddus has been wrong way more often than he has been correct. Sturm is 1000x better than those guys and he does not have a scouting background.

People here underestimate Broaddus totally but there is truth that his scouting now is primarily some but not enough film and direct observation on grass which is not to be discounted. Being wrong half the time is par for the course for the vast majority of those who evaluate talent.

In regards to Callahan, he wanted to bench Free and start Parnell back in 2012 but Garrett would not allow him to do it. Callahan appealed directly to Jerry and the compromise was to have them rotate series. This past season he praised Parnell more than any other player. When asked by a reporter if Parnell should start over Free when both are healthy he said that's not his decision to make.

You and I sang the most praise of any body here about Parnell and I think we were right. Both of us looked at the film on Free and Parnell. I defended Free as a slightly better than average RT when almost the entire board disagreed and attacked me for it. Look how that turned out. Callahan sang Parnell's and Free's abilities to play RT in the league and he was right as were we. But big deal. Both look the part and play the part although I've always said Free is upgradeable albeit not that easy and Parnell has the talent but needed seasoning which is not a remarkable revelation either. A decent look said so. It wasn't rocket science although the sheep here cried differently.

There isn't much film on Mack at C and he's been evaluated by many here and those who count and he was replaced by a rookie albeit a good one. He's always been on borrowed time and lasted this long because of inadequate competition. I've seen enough film on Mack to be comfortable with my analysis and it is backed up by the actions of the team.

Mack is a very marginal C if not worse and he's got competition this year for the backup there. They like McDermott but he's an UDFA so who knows about him. He has a lot to prove. Mack is a marginal G in this offense and doesn't have the feet to pull as well as Garret wants so he's on notice there, too. If he stays in his current job it's because there is inadequate competition. I won't be surprised either way this goes for him.

Fair enough??


Like I said, I'm interested to hear your opinions, if they're your opinions. I'm not interested in what Broaddus had to say.

Those are my opinions more than others but I gave Callahan's opinion as well and I think he is more qualified than either of us with due respect.

Fans and even other media give Broaddus way too much credit simply because he is an "ex-scout". I think of media people in regards to what I think their wonderlic score would be. Broaddus might have the background, but he seems like a 10 on the wonderlic. Sturm might not have the experience, but he seems like a 40+ on the wonderlic. It's like in a hospital setting when the smartest most experienced nurse disagrees with the biggest dumb-arse Doctor. People believe the Doctor because he is a Doctor, but forget that 1% of Doctors graduated in the bottom 1% of their class.

I think you are short changing Broaddus. His not being a scout now shouldn't entirely discount his ability to recognize NFL talent. It's not a huge leap to scouting players and having a decent analysis. The problem is recognizing who is going to translate those talents to the grass and who has the heart and will to succeed. You keep bringing up Broaddus being fired but the vast majority of scouts and coaches get fired. It means a whole lot of not very much. And he does enjoy his job with the Boys and being at home with his family. If he said he would scout again then I believe you but they are not mutually exclusive. He's a decent talent evaluator just not great at it which is the resume of many scouts.

I completely disagree that Broaddus prefers being a media guy to being a scout. He has said several times that he would jump at the chance to be a scout again. I don't know if you listen to local DFW sports talk radio, but he is a regular on 105.3 The Fan and has repeated that sentiment several times.

In regards to backup Center, I do think they want to continue to get younger across the roster whenever possible. It would be really convenient if somebody like Martin could be the game day backup Center. That would allow them to have the best backup Guard active regardless of whether he can play Center. They would still need another backup Center on the roster if Fred was out the following week. If Collins plays Guard, it would be unfortunate to have the loser between him and Leary inactive on game day.

They like McDermott but I said he's a long shot to make the roster much less be the backup C. But it is possible. Mack is a marginal to average backup who has hung on because we've spent resources elsewhere which I do happen to agree with.

I disagree that Bernadeau is a better Guard than Center. The sample size to too small to make any absolute conclusion on that issue, but his best game back in 2012 was one of the two when he played Center. IMO, he is probably a slightly above average backup interior OLineman.

We have near nil data for Mack's work at C so to argue G vs C is irrelevant. The vast majority of data is at G.

There is no reason that McDermott would not be on the practice squad if he does well in the preseason. Even Leary was on the PS as a rookie. McDermott seems like a candidate to be a backup in 2016 but they probability of him being on the 53 to start the 2015 season seems very low. Bernadeau's salary is just 1.5M so I don't think they would dump him for cap purposes and I don't see a rookie UDFA beating him out unless Bernadeau gets injured in training camp.

There is generally 1-3 UDFA's who make the roster so he has a chance. Martin is not the best candidate for C although I don't know he won't be. It's all speculation.

I could even see them having Martin play Center with Leary and Collins as the Guards before they would have McDermott starting.

McDermott has no chance at starting unless there are injuries and he makes the roster and then makes the game day roster.
 

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I could even see them having Martin play Center with Leary and Collins as the Guards before they would have McDermott starting.

McDermott has no chance at starting unless there are injuries and he makes the roster and then makes the game day roster.

My point was in regards to if Fred was injured. Even if Fred was out for the season, I don't see McDermott starting.

If something happened and Bernadeau was gone or injured, then this could be the lineup:
Tyron
Collins
Fred
Martin
Free
Backup OC/OG McDermott
Backup OT Green
Inactive Leary

If Fred were injured, the choice could be one of the following:

Option 1:
Tyron
Collins
Martin OC
Leary
Free
Backup OC/OG McDermott
Backup OT Green

Option 2:

Tyron
Collins
McDermott OC
Martin
Free
Backup OG Leary (Martin would have to be the backup Center in this situation)
Backup OT Green

I would prefer option 1. I don't want to see Leary on the bench with McDermott starting unless Martin just can't play Center.
 

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This will be the offensive line in two years,

Smith - Collins - Frederick - Martin - Green

Collins is a left guard in the NFL with his skill set, not the best lateral movement for an NFL tackle..Leary is the weak point and is gone after this year, Dallas isn't going to offer starter money when he'd be the backup. Free is signed for three years at starter money, so he's starting at right tackle in Dallas and he's the vocal Vet/leader of this offensive line

When Free went down last year..

there was certainly a change in point of attack I noticed.

Losing Free caused them to run more b/w the tackles and less off tackle when Free was gone.

Which to me lessened what Murray was good at..

starting out wide and then cutting back up the middle for extra yardage.

Defenses stacked the middle more and worried less about Murray getting outside of containment.

Making the yards much tougher and the hits on Murray increased.

So Free is needed in my opinion..

Trying to play chess with the other guys and trying to phase out Free isn't going to happen unless Free is injured again.

Just my take.
 
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