Best current example for staying with the process

[Parcells4Life]

So alot of people have said that 39 games or 2.5 seasons is clearly enough to judge if Garrett will be a great coach. For those who know without a doubt Garrett will never become anything let me refer you to Gary Kubiak.

He never made the playoffs his first 5 years! His records were 6-10, 8-8, 8-8, 9-7 and 6-10. He was a former backup QB turned OC whose teams did well statistically but not where it mattered.

Now they're one of the best teams in the NFL.

So again just think if Texans ownership had listened to the fans who formed PROTESTS outside reliant 2 years ago asking for him to be fired.

There's a reason great organizations stay with coaches for more than 2 days. Instant gratification is very very very rare. The college rule is 3-4 years to get your players and system in place. Successful pro teams follow the same rule as long as you're not a loser 3 years in a row.

 

[silver]

So alot of people have said that 39 games or 2.5 seasons is clearly enough to judge if Garrett will be a great coach. For those who know without a doubt Garrett will never become anything let me refer you to Gary Kubiak.

He never made the playoffs his first 5 years! His records were 6-10, 8-8, 8-8, 9-7 and 6-10. He was a former backup QB turned OC whose teams did well statistically but not where it mattered.

Now they're one of the best teams in the NFL.

So again just think if Texans ownership had listened to the fans who formed PROTESTS outside reliant 2 years ago asking for him to be fired.

There's a reason great organizations stay with coaches for more than 2 days. Instant gratification is very very very rare. The college rule is 3-4 years to get your players and system in place. Successful pro teams follow the same rule as long as you're not a loser 3 years in a row.

Jerry Jones agrees with you. He's said it over and over again. After firing Gailey after 2 years, Campo got 3 years, Parcells got 4 years, Wade got 4 years and Jason will get at least 3 and half years. No way Jason Garrett is not the Cowboys coach next year.

 

[jgboys1]

I agree, but the Texans have a real GM we have Jerry........:shoot6:

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

I agree, but the Texans have a real GM we have Jerry........:shoot6:

So JG should do at least as well as Kubiak. After all with our GM arrangement its more efficient and we arent burdened with too much time and too many people to make decisions!

 

[jgboys1]

So JG should do at least as well as Kubiak. After all with our GM arrangement its more efficient and we arent burdened with too much time and too many people to make decisions!

Yes. Our GM goes right to the top, when he has to make a decision.

 

[CyberB0b]

Let's see. Garrett inherited a team that won a playoff game the year before. Kubiak inherited a 2-14 four year old expansion team. Yeah, they won a playoff game and are playing well this year, but let's not act like every mediocre coach goes on to be great.

 

[Idgit]

I agree, but the Texans have a real GM we have Jerry........:shoot6:

We'll have Jerry under the next guy, too.

 

[Parcells4Life]

Garrett inherited a 1-7 team. This isn't saying every mediocre coach is a HOF but that talk of changing coaches this year is stupid after 2 years

 

[Cythim]

We'll have Jerry under the next guy, too.

Exactly why I don't care who our HC is right now. No coach will find success under current management.

 

[Risen Star]

There's a lot of truth to that but I don't think you can use it as something set in stone. For instance, if a situation arises where a coach I would love to have becomes available, you may decide less than 3 years is long enough for your current coach.

You're not going to pass on Bill Belichick because you need to give Norv Turner his full three years.

 

[jgboys1]

There's a lot of truth to that but I don't think you can use it as something set in stone. For instance, if a situation arises where a coach I would love to have becomes available, you may decide less than 3 years is long enough for your current coach.

You're not going to pass on Bill Belichick because you need to give Norv Turner his full three years.

You are right but I think Garrett should at least get next season to coach the Cowboys. I think an improvement on O-line personnel will make this team look like a different team next season.

 

[CyberB0b]

You are right but I think Garrett should at least get next season to coach the Cowboys. I think an improvement on O-line personnel will make this team look like a different team next season.

You have to think he was instrumental in building this line. We keep coming up for excuses for this team. The guy with the false face needs to look at the man in the mirror, as he says, and deal with the problem.

 

[burmafrd]

Garrett inherited a 1-7 team. This isn't saying every mediocre coach is a HOF but that talk of changing coaches this year is stupid after 2 years

which promptly went 5-3. Your try to make the Boys of 2010 look like an expansion team is rather ridiculous.

And to this point- what have the Texans won?

And last night they sure looked bad.

So frankly your 'evidence' is shaky

 

[Hoofbite]

The big turd in the punchbowl is the fact that if Dallas is wrong about Garrett, 2 years from now they will have wasted the better part of a decade with lousy coaches.

They have a QB which is more than many teams can say and they have talent at other skill positions. If you have a Top QB for a decade, you better be getting something out of it. If Garrett gets another year it's 2014 before a switch and if he gets two years it's 2015.

That would be 8 seasons with a legitimate QB and nothing to show for it.

Dallas is kind of at a crossroads. If they hold Garrett for another year or two, you're looking at the twilight of the core's career to try and get something out of it.

If they cut Garrett loose, maybe he goes somewhere else and becomes a good coach. Who knows.

You evaluate based on what you've seen. He wasn't ready to be a OC when hired and after pretty much treading water for a few years he was given the HC job. He's inexperienced as all hell, there are countless examples of that.

If he were Wade's age he'd likely be let go. With now hope of growing into a coaching role, he'd be gone.

The only real positive I can identify with his presence is that the players play play the whole game. Sloppily at times, mistake-ridden at others, but they're busting *** the whole game.

That said, if the best asset you bring is your ability to get guys who are paid millions to do their job, I'm not sure you're doing yours to the level expected.

He was too inexperienced when hired and now Dallas is faced with letting him try to learn on the job while the core ages or looking for a head coach who's been around the block.

I'm not opposed to bringing in someone else if there's a guy worth it.

I wouldn't even be opposed to bringing in an OC and giving Garrett a little more time but for whatever reason Garrett seems to think he can handle it. I think when you look at the players Dallas has and look at the players other teams don't have and you see those teams scoring on par with Dallas you gotta ask yourself why that's happening. I don't think he's maximized the offenses ability with Tony at QB and if he's too proud to give up play calling, he can go.

That's pretty much where I'm at.

 

[Hoofbite]

Also.

Didn't take the Bucs long to realize Morris wasn't going to get it done for them and didn't take the 49ers long to realize that Singletary wasn't going to do it either.

Both of those teams are better off today than the day that those coaches were fired.

 

[Risen Star]

I think when you look at the players Dallas has and look at the players other teams don't have and you see those teams scoring on par with Dallas you gotta ask yourself why that's happening.

After looking at the players, I don't have to ask myself anything. I see why. No talent whatsoever along the offensive line.

 

[Hoofbite]

After looking at the players, I don't have to ask myself anything. I see why. No talent whatsoever along the offensive line.

Other teams have garbage lines too.

 

[Risen Star]

Other teams have garbage lines too.

Not this bad.

There is not an OL in the league I wouldn't want over this slop.

 

[HoosierCowboy]

There's a lot of truth to that but I don't think you can use it as something set in stone. For instance, if a situation arises where a coach I would love to have becomes available, you may decide less than 3 years is long enough for your current coach.

You're not going to pass on Bill Belichick because you need to give Norv Turner his full three years.

Belicheat was once a bust and Turner a hot young coach--can't predict what will happen but can see movement in time in a direction--too early to tell with Dallas, but next year, a healthy team with some wise acquisitions should tell us whether our coach is hoilding us back (I am not counting on this year to be anything other than average, especially with injuries on D)

 

[Miller]

Sorry this isn't a great example. Their message board still has a "Fire Kubiak" thread going. Even the best Texans fans think he is the wild card going into the playoffs. I lived there until last year and saw first hand what he did. The guy was always a good OC and their offense clicked but he had questionable in game moves and always hired his Denver connection friends as D coordinators. It wasn't until they were basically told to get Wade as D Coordinator and he drafted guys for that D that he turned it around. Plus you have to realize that Kubiak was like one if only 3-4 coaches in the history of the game that lost his first 5 seasons and was retained so there isn't a real good trend of it working. Wade as basically co-coach turned it around.