Beuhler Question

[Frozen700]

I'm talking this year, heck Beuhler has played this season as well had a kick return of 48 yards vs SF and vs the Jets one of 27 yards.

As for Bailey kick I like it I like the ball coming down 1 or 2 yards into the endzone and seeing our coverage guys go down and make plays that is football. We don't use the other 10 guys on the unit for nothing they need to go down and make plays.

Again I like Beuhler but I don't think his kickoffs are worth a roster spot when other areas need to have depth added to them

I hear you, i guesa that's 1 of my flaws. I love to be to safe. The fear of a run back, with a 14 point lead, when the opposing O hasn't done much, scares me

 

[Doomsday101]

I hear you, i guesa that's 1 of my flaws. I love to be to safe. The fear of a run back, with a 14 point lead, when the opposing O hasn't done much, scares me

I don't like big run backs either but that is still a low percentage and having 2 kickers eating up a roster spot just is not worth it at least in my opinion.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Would you add a second "special" punter if you knew if would net you an extra 3 yards a punt?

I would carry a second "special" punter if he could kickoff and I knew I had a kicker who didn't have the leg to kickoff outdoors.

 

[TheCount]

It would be dumb to release him...Bailey while he is a great kicker, he can't boot it to the back or deep in the endzone...and 1 of these games it will come back to bite us in the ***

It might mean a lot of things if we released him, dumb is not one of them.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I think it's clear that Bailey cannot consistently kick the ball in the endzone out doors. He's doing a very good job kicking FGs, but short KOs against elite returners is asking for a runback, just bound to happen. On top of that, if you keep angling kicks, Bailey is gonna kick one out of bounds as well.

Who is to say we want a touchback every time?

We want some returns? Could lead to fumbles.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Who is to say we want a touchback every time?

We want some returns? Could lead to fumbles.

I never said we want TBs all the time. Just watching the 2 games Buehler KOed, shows we don't want TBs all the time. While fumbles aren't something you bank on, pinning them inside the 20 is something that can happen regularly with good coverege. Buehler puts a lot more air under his kicks and can kick it directionally while still getting it around 5 yards deep in the endzone where guys tend to take it out.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

It would be dumb to release him...Bailey while he is a great kicker, he can't boot it to the back or deep in the endzone...and 1 of these games it will come back to bite us in the ***

What is the average starting field position of our opponents on kickoffs this season?

 

[hra8700]

and the best they did was gain 7 more yards from where a touch back would have taken them. I don't have a problem with a team starting at the 22 or 25 yard line as opposed to the 20 and it certainly does not justify a roster spot. Add to the Beuhler himself has had kick offs returned on him so again there is nothing certain about him kicking it out of the endzone.

Are you kidding...starting at the 25 versus the 20...on what...6 or so kickoffs a game...that's 30 total yards.

That would mean Buehler is worth 30 total yards a game over his replacement.

There are only a handful of players worth that much on the team...


BTW: he's probably only worth about 10 yards a game, but that is more than enough to justify a roster spot.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Are you kidding...starting at the 25 versus the 20...on what...6 or so kickoffs a game...that's 30 total yards.

That would mean Buehler is worth 30 total yards a game over his replacement.

There are only a handful of players worth that much on the team...


BTW: he's probably only worth about 10 yards a game, but that is more than enough to justify a roster spot.

Dude, I hear ya.

I just cant justify having Bailey, McBriar and Buehler.

 

[Frozen700]

What is the average starting field position of our opponents on kickoffs this season?

This i don't know.....but i do get scared when i see a guy running back

 

[Doomsday101]

Are you kidding...starting at the 25 versus the 20...on what...6 or so kickoffs a game...that's 30 total yards.

That would mean Buehler is worth 30 total yards a game over his replacement.

There are only a handful of players worth that much on the team...


BTW: he's probably only worth about 10 yards a game, but that is more than enough to justify a roster spot.

No not kidding and adding up it up for a total of 30 yards does not change it.

Fact is if a return man makes to the 25 as opposed to the 20 yard line so what. Add to that Dallas was also able to make some plays inside the 20 on the returns and created a fumble. Lastly I like Beuhler but give me a break he has also had kicks returned aginst him one fo 48 yards vs SF so to act like every time he kicks it the ball goes out of the endzone is BS.

In the meantime Bailey has shown a decent leg on KO and has been very accurate as at FG while other areas of the team lack needed depth

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I never said we want TBs all the time. Just watching the 2 games Buehler KOed, shows we don't want TBs all the time. While fumbles aren't something you bank on, pinning them inside the 20 is something that can happen regularly with good coverege. Buehler puts a lot more air under his kicks and can kick it directionally while still getting it around 5 yards deep in the endzone where guys tend to take it out.

Are you kidding...starting at the 25 versus the 20...on what...6 or so kickoffs a game...that's 30 total yards.

That would mean Buehler is worth 30 total yards a game over his replacement.

There are only a handful of players worth that much on the team...


BTW: he's probably only worth about 10 yards a game, but that is more than enough to justify a roster spot.

Ok, I am game. I would love to do a poll on this. I am curious?

Is 10-30 yards per game worth having Buehler on team?

 

[Doomsday101]

Ok, I am game. I would love to do a poll on this. I am curious?

Is 10-30 yards per game worth having Buehler on team?

Let me say that is not an honest assesment. If Beuhler kicked the ball every time out of the end zone then maybe that stat holds up but frankly the longest KR aginst the Cowboys this year has been 48 yards and that was with Beuhler kicking off.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Is 10-30 yards per game worth having Buehler on team?

as opposed to who? we can reasonably assume that if we didn't keep Bailey, we'd have Dwayne Harris who has done little to nothing. And if the coaching staff liked him that much as a project, they would've released a guy like Tanner or Ogletree over Harris.

Everyone acts like there is a great player out their who we can't sign because of Buehler, but that's hardly the case.

 

[Doomsday101]

as opposed to who? we can reasonably assume that if we didn't keep Bailey, we'd have Dwayne Harris who has done little to nothing. And if the coaching staff liked him that much as a project, they would've released a guy like Tanner or Ogletree over Harris.

Everyone acts like there is a great player out their who we can't sign because of Buehler, but that's hardly the case.

No but the game day roster only allows 45 guys to be brought into the game I would rather have a position player as opposed to an extra kicker.

Again as I just mention the longest return vs the Cowboys happened while Beuhler was kicking off so this notion that he is going to kick them out of the endzone and the other team must alwasy start at the 20 is not true.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

as opposed to who? we can reasonably assume that if we didn't keep Bailey, we'd have Dwayne Harris who has done little to nothing. And if the coaching staff liked him that much as a project, they would've released a guy like Tanner or Ogletree over Harris.

Everyone acts like there is a great player out their who we can't sign because of Buehler, but that's hardly the case.

I hear ya but I was thinking along those lines.

What about a player that was a nobody, maybe he gets a shot and shows something? We have had good luck with that in recent years.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I hear ya but I was thinking along those lines.

What about a player that was a nobody, maybe he gets a shot and shows something? We have had good luck with that in recent years.

That's what the practice squad is for. If you're talking about a vet, then there is likely a reason they are unsigned.

 

[Doomsday101]

What is funny when looking at the kicker stats and the avg kick return they have allowed Bailey is ranked 10th with an avg of 21.5 a return

Better than Sebastian Janikowski who is ranked 12 allow 22.1 a return

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I think a good idea, before all this bickering continues about whether or not he is worth a roster spot, would be to find out what opponents starting field position after kickoffs has been against us with Buehler and with Bailey this year.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

What is funny when looking at the kicker stats and the avg kick return they have allowed Bailey is ranked 10th with an avg of 21.5 a return

Better than Sebastian Janikowski who is ranked 12 allow 22.1 a return

There you have it folks.. Buehler is not worth a roster spot. Final answer.