Biadasz and McGovern

[Chocolate Lab]

Biadasz, meh, no problem letting him walk. McGovern I always liked. Wish we could have kept him somehow. Maybe Tyler would even be our LT now and we'd be set there.

 

[blueblood70]

Biadasz and McGovern - we cut them both bc they weren’t good enough yet they are the starting centers for the Commanders and the Bills.

So we chose not to keep them when their contracts were up that doesn't make them cut that makes them not worth the money who cares what teams are starting on and if they're part of a playoff run it doesn't matter does it make them better players I mean I don't understand your point other players leave other teams and have some success in this case the Cowboys are absolutely correct including Connor Williams of cutting them and moving to another player because the players they drafted were as good for rookie deals you have them on rookie deals versus overpaying them...

It happens all over how to get into this all the names because it's too deep I mean you can't play 6° of separation it's saying why did DeAndre Hopkins get cut from three other teams and ended up on the chiefs and now he's playing in his first Super Bowl that's why he ended up on a better team that's why that doesn't make him a better player he's the same player he may even be worse than he used to be and yet as a team he got elevated into a big game...

That's like trying to tell me that Nick Foles should have remained the starter with the eagles he should have never lost his job and he would have been great but that's not the reality he was bad at all over except with the eagles but why did Chip Kelly let him go after his record he had a great record and then why did they get the starting a new name why did he just roll with Nick Foles if he was so good no they cut Nick Foles like 3 times...

. Just like saying Noah brown who's with Washington as well you say he's better than CD lamb just because he's on that team just because he was an ex cowboy that we let go or Houston let him go I mean this is like so beyond me that you would start this thread it makes no sense literally happens all the time players get let go they end up on teams that end up going further than the team they were on it does not make them a better player...SMH

 

[charron]

It is hard to pay mid tier guys when they have grossly overpaid their "stars". I'm ok with letting these guys go with how the draft went but letting some of the defensive backups all leave kinda hurt their depth.

 

[blueblood70]

They will probably do the same with Osa and will pay for it. If Eberflus is the DC 3T is the most important player

you mean like other teams have to make these decisions??

it happens all over the league, and by the way ,I like OSA but let's not overvalue him either, he's basically Malik Collins and it two other teams cut him that would be the Cowboys and wherever he went he made his way to the 49ers and he still looks good, he got paid what HESWORTH 8 mil, but he is not Aaron Donald... he does not deserve top premium elite money, so you can't overpay for just good and this situation if that's what OSA demands then we have to let him go you can't overpay for average and I know Jerry has in the past like jalen Smith should have never happened we should've cut jalen Smith and I'm not comparing the two but yeah you can't pay elite money to a good player and yes osa good he's very good but he is not Aaron Donald.. There was a thread we talked about this and we believe it should be around 10 to $12 million that's what we should offer him he is not worth more than that not at this point.. If he wants 16 to $20 million I'm letting him walk...​

Either are those two players that he mentioned in this thread which are beyond me those players are still average, we have their counterparts under rookie contracts and they're playing just as well.

Cooper BB has so much more of an upside and he's on a rookie deal like he's better right now than tyler's been his whole career, so you don't pay Tyler, you let him go they did the right thing they drafted his replacement who turns out to be as good or better as a rookie....

These players were not popular around here and now all of a sudden because they're playing on a team that happened to make it into a championship game now all of a sudden we need to act like we should've never cut them ??!!

I don't get it some of y'all don't understand the business of football and the fact that sometimes that you have to move on and I know right now it didn't look good at the tight end position but I'm still saying we're better off with Ferguson and schoonmaker and the Titan room we have now that overpaying for dalton schultz..

So, it's beyond me why this post was started this happens all over football all the time players move around players get cut they end up on a team that happens to be playing better now all of a sudden we gotta go back in time and say we shouldn't have cut them no we should have cut them it was the right decision.

But I got to take my shot then if we're bringing up EX- players, everyone said we should have put amari Cooper back on this team what is amari Cooper ever done for any of the teams he's been on he said one of his worst years this year..

both where he was and now where he came from now he's playing with a top notch elite quarterback with a great run game he said absolutely nothing he disappeared he didn't look good at all he averaged like 30 yards a game, he hardly was there his heart wasn't in it..

there's a reason we moved on from him because $22 million for a #2 receiver that tended to not be motivated every game that didn't practice hard that was not very popular with the coaching staff yes he was traded for a fifth round pick but that was because of his contract I'm not looking back and saying that everyone saying that somehow he's an impact player enough but I'm not saying it where is it he's basically brandon cooks. So we got Brandon cooks cheaper yes we were hoping Gallup recovered from his injury he never did that was a mistake but it wasn't a mistake let amari Cooper go it was a mistake not addressing the position in the draft....

 

[blueblood70]

It is hard to pay mid tier guys when they have grossly overpaid their "stars". I'm ok with letting these guys go with how the draft went but letting some of the defensive backups all leave kinda hurt their depth.

yes you get it..not hard huh )

 

[blueblood70]

Roller skates Biadasz still not worth the contract,,, McGovern hurts though.

Really doesn't it applies to both of them they were not worth the money right now we have bass Hoffman and BB all as good or better than McGovern would have ever been it doesn't matter how they're playing now it's what they got paid versus what we're paying and getting from these other guys Hoffman is just as good if not better than McGovern BB is definitely better than Tyler therefore just those two replace those two just fine Connor Williams almost had a redefining moment until he blew his knee out and then couldn't come back and then got hurt again and now he's retired people were saying him last year.

You cannot pay for average when you can find a better player of equal or better value on a rookie deal we're undrafted free agents...

 

[bluemagic4ever]

The Cowboys simply prefer comp picks over paying mid tier guys….the issue is those mid tier guys are needed.

I think Dorrance Armstrong has had like 4 sacks in the postseason as well.

all facts .... and if we had kept Baidasz at C we could have drafted Beebe at OG and been fine.

 

[blueblood70]

Biadasz, meh, no problem letting him walk. McGovern I always liked. Wish we could have kept him somehow. Maybe Tyler would even be our LT now and we'd be set there.

Yes but we have rookies and undrafted free agents who are playing just as good or better under rookie deals that's the point you don't pay those guys that kind of money when you can replace them on cheaper contracts that is the way the NFL works and we are better off now without them just because they're good and play every now and again above average does not make them worth keeping for the money they got to leave..

I'll say that about Armstrong and Fowler they had good seasons but they weren't worth keeping for that kind of money they just weren't and by the way I just watched Washington and the playoffs can't stop the run and they just gave up 55 points.... So you have to weigh the factors of their age their production their ceiling and then what they wanna get paid in this case the Cowboys were correct and moving on from them because we have the replacements...

 

[blueblood70]

all facts .... and if we had kept Baidasz at C we could have drafted Beebe at OG and been fine.

No you're wrong because Hoffman is AS GOOD as TB, sorry we got replacements in the draft on rookie deals so you don't have to pay a guy like TB the access code money he doesn't truly live up to we had the players here already even bass as a guard is probably as good or similar to TB so why do you pay them?

 

[bluemagic4ever]

No you're wrong because Hoffman is AS GOOD as TB, sorry we got replacements in the draft on rookie deals so you don't have to pay a guy like TB the access code money he doesn't truly live up to we had the players here already even bass as a guard is probably as good or similar to TB so why do you pay them?

LOL ok we can definitely disagee about Hoffman vs Tyler B. - Bass hasnt even beat out Hoffman and Hoffman is just average at best. Tyler B has a Pro Bowl selection and was definitely way over average.

 

[blueblood70]

LOL ok we can definitely disagee about Hoffman vs Tyler B. - Bass hasnt even beat out Hoffman and Hoffman is just average at best. Tyler B has a Pro Bowl selection and was definitely way over average.

We will I'm telling you for the money Hoffman is as good.. You can say otherwise but the only reason he got a Pro Bowl nod which is not a very good barometer anymore most people can get a Pro Bowl nod jalen Smith was a pro bowler !!! dude seriously ,do we need to have this discussion on the Pro Bowl being watered down it's not the same as it used to be...

But playing time matters and if Hoffman played Center/G for 17 games he will be getting the same amount of flowers,he'd be a lot better than he is he came in in the middle of all this, but you're talking about the difference between what we pay those two dues and discussing compared to what we pay the other three guys..

I'm taking the three guys we have that's the discussion here as they moved on and got paid more to be average and yes he's just average I'm watching Tyler be honest here and when he left here he's the same guy he's not worth paying a bigger deal for when you can replace him with equal or better rookies on rookie deals that's the argument/debate..

So yeah, we're going to have to disagree because you're looking at it in a different perspective than I am I'm looking at the big picture I'm looking at their contracts I look how they were playing here and versus their counterparts that are here now i'm taking what we have here...

 

[KB1122]

Ww have a lot of confidence in our ability to draft offensive linemen. So you have to be outstanding to stick.

 

[UncleOscar]

You mean the player the Cowboys didn't want? They passed on him for a reason.

How do you know the Cowboys didn't want Torrence? What supposed reason did they pass on him? Instead, They drafted an injured 25-year-old TE who has been a bust. Torrence was a starter on the Bill's last night.

 

[UncleOscar]

Because he didn’t fit our blocking scheme

Oh wow, T.J.Watt didn't "fit our scheme" either. How did that work out for us? Maybe get rid of the trash coaches we have and get some competent coaches that could make a Watt or Torrence work.

 

[blueblood70]

Oh wow, T.J.Watt didn't "fit our scheme" either. How did that work out for us? Maybe get rid of the trash coaches we have and get some competent coaches that could make a Watt or Torrence work.

You're saying that thirty other teams made mistakes on those two you mean that TJ watts somehow was available at 26 I think it helps to know that somehow there was a note or a red flag or some concern in that draft over him I don't know why and no it wasn't the right choice but hindsight really makes you special don't it look they made a mistake other teams made the same mistake I mean how does Derek Henry make it to the second round how does Tom Brady make it to the sixth round how do you pick pretty last player taken in the draft I mean we got Prescott I know he's not a big fan around here but he got him in the fourth round how does the first round talent fall to the fourth round or the 6th or 7th round or you pick up a guy like Deron bland our coaches made him work and he's a fifth round pick look we're not gonna go round and round on this because all teams make these mistakes they pass on good players they reach for bad players sometimes they pick me over best player available and sometimes it backfires... If you need a good example of that the San Francisco 49ers is supposed to be smarter than us they gave up three first round picks for a guy most of us saw had no college experience and we were wondering why they would give up that kind of draft capital to move up you know why they did it because it happens they took a risk they failed it didn't work out..

There is no way in hell you're telling me that somehow we made a mistake letting McGovern and Tyler go when we had their draft replacements and the guys on this team that are playing as good or better for way less money that's the key here but you have to bring in other names for no reason but good for the Buffalo Bills and whoever this guy is that they pick but yes TJ Watt will forever go down as a major mistake that 25 other teams with the Cowboys let them pass up until Pittsburgh went and got him it happens a lot.. This is not a Cowboys problem this is how sports work this is how the league works..

 

[beware_d-ware]

And they both have pretty reasonable deals. Biadasz plays for $9M/yr, McGovern plays for $8M/yr, and even Dorance Armstrong plays for $10M/yr.

Stephen goes for a "studs and duds" roster building strategy, where you eschew paying mid tier guys like that to load up on high-end vets. Teams have won with this strategy - LA Rams got a Super Bowl with it, the Saints were the planet's worst PI no-call away from going to a Super Bowl with it - but you have to get your money's worth from your studs. Biadasz and McGovern would have provided more value to the team this year than Trevon Diggs did for like 3 games.

 

[FVSTONE]

Biadasz and McGovern - we cut them both bc they weren’t good enough yet they are the starting centers for the Commanders and the Bills.

Think about who is making the player decisions on the Cowboys and there is your answer to why these two don't play here anymore.....LOL!

 

[nightrain]

And they are still not good enough. Biadasz still can't handle big DT like Jalen Carter

No one can.

 

[FVSTONE]

You're saying that thirty other teams made mistakes on those two you mean that TJ watts somehow was available at 26 I think it helps to know that somehow there was a note or a red flag or some concern in that draft over him I don't know why and no it wasn't the right choice but hindsight really makes you special don't it look they made a mistake other teams made the same mistake I mean how does Derek Henry make it to the second round how does Tom Brady make it to the sixth round how do you pick pretty last player taken in the draft I mean we got Prescott I know he's not a big fan around here but he got him in the fourth round how does the first round talent fall to the fourth round or the 6th or 7th round or you pick up a guy like Deron bland our coaches made him work and he's a fifth round pick look we're not gonna go round and round on this because all teams make these mistakes they pass on good players they reach for bad players sometimes they pick me over best player available and sometimes it backfires... If you need a good example of that the San Francisco 49ers is supposed to be smarter than us they gave up three first round picks for a guy most of us saw had no college experience and we were wondering why they would give up that kind of draft capital to move up you know why they did it because it happens they took a risk they failed it didn't work out..

There is no way in hell you're telling me that somehow we made a mistake letting McGovern and Tyler go when we had their draft replacements and the guys on this team that are playing as good or better for way less money that's the key here but you have to bring in other names for no reason but good for the Buffalo Bills and whoever this guy is that they pick but yes TJ Watt will forever go down as a major mistake that 25 other teams with the Cowboys let them pass up until Pittsburgh went and got him it happens a lot.. This is not a Cowboys problem this is how sports work this is how the league works..

You can't be serious??????????? Anytime you have a GM like the Cowboys have, you're going to let the better players fall through the cracks just so that you can make a point on who is in charge. That's the type of GM that the Cowboys have who is running this organization into the ground. There isn't one other team in the NFL that was going to offer Prescott what he demanded from the Cowboys, not one. JJ was the only idiot who blinked!

 

[btcutter]

Only FA that JJ needed to sign was Barkely. That's it. A dominant RB so Dak can be a manager of the game.