Big Ben's Even Better

[Alexander]

I'd take Rothlisberger over Bledsoe and not think twice about it.

You are quite the daredevil.

Taking a younger, more mobile QB who is just beginning to realize his potential over one on the downside of his career takes a tremendous amount of courage.

 

[burmafrd]

Neil O'Donnel had a great season and great playoffs and then came the SB.
If the Steelers had not won then Roths would have been the goat. If he makes it to more SB's and does not shine= well, YOU DO THE MATH. HE will never get a lot of respect if this happens more then once.

 

[ZeroClub]

Rothlisberger has made the most of a great situation with the Steelers.

I'm not prepared to say that Rothlisberger is great, but clearly he has proven himself to be at least good enough.

 

[Alexander]

Neil O'Donnel had a great season and great playoffs and then came the SB.
If the Steelers had not won then Roths would have been the goat. If he makes it to more SB's and does not shine= well, YOU DO THE MATH. HE will never get a lot of respect if this happens more then once.

"Shining" doesn't matter. Winning does. He won. You do the math.

His circumstance has nothing to do with O'Donnell, because he didn't throw two game-turning interceptions.

The facts are simple, in his first two seasons he has made one and won a Super Bowl and has an AFC championship game appearance. I would take those kind of results each and every day of the week.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

You know what is funny?

They mention how in his first year they gave him one read. In his second year they gave him half the field. And they are geniuses.

Yet when we had Carter read one half of the field, it was because we had dumbed down the offense because he was too dumb to read the whole field.

Funny how team success changes one's perspective of things.

 

[blindzebra]

You know what is funny?

They mention how in his first year they gave him one read. In his second year they gave him half the field. And they are geniuses.

Yet when we had Carter read one half of the field, it was because we had dumbed down the offense because he was too dumb to read the whole field.

Funny how team success changes one's perspective of things.

Hmmm,

Super Bowl champion with a QB rating over 90 for his career versus a guy that couldn't even beat out scrubs to back up in the CFL...nice comparison.

 

[5Stars]

You know what is funny?

They mention how in his first year they gave him one read. In his second year they gave him half the field. And they are geniuses.

Yet when we had Carter read one half of the field, it was because we had dumbed down the offense because he was too dumb to read the whole field.

Funny how team success changes one's perspective of things.

Still talking about old Crankcase, huh?

 

[Alexander]

Still talking about old Crankcase, huh?

Of course.

The angle of him being "unfairly treated" will never get old. I don't care if he got cut from every professional level of football there is. There would always be the feeling from his fans that he somehow got a raw deal. It is a remarkable construct that is like the common cockroach, it will never die.

 

[junk]

You are quite the daredevil.

Taking a younger, more mobile QB who is just beginning to realize his potential over one on the downside of his career takes a tremendous amount of courage.

Watch the ensuing backlash......people will disagree. They have before.

 

[junk]

You know what is funny?

They mention how in his first year they gave him one read. In his second year they gave him half the field. And they are geniuses.

Yet when we had Carter read one half of the field, it was because we had dumbed down the offense because he was too dumb to read the whole field.

Funny how team success changes one's perspective of things.

Carter still had the offense dumbed down for him in his third year.

 

[koolaid]

big ben even better? better than what? last year? maybe they will let him throw more than 9 passes this year.

 

[Alexander]

big ben even better? better than what? last year? maybe they will let him throw more than 9 passes this year.

I would love it if my team could win a Super Bowl throwing the ball nine times a game. That means I am running the ball extremely well and my QB makes his throws count and is accurate. Regardless, he averaged 22 passes a game and completed over sixty percent of those. That is efficiency and better than we have had around Dallas since Aikman.

I wonder how many of you would be dismissing Aikman's lack of statistics when "all he did was hand off" and claiming that since he wasn't Marino, he wasn't any good?

 

[burmafrd]

Roths has a LOT of wood to chop before I think he is anything special.
Some people can take their man love a little too far.

 

[blindzebra]

There are pretty much 3 types of posters out there:

1. Posters with an opinion I agree with, and their opinion I respect because they put it out there in a thoughtful way, with supporting facts.

2. Posters with an opinion I don't agree with, but I respect their opinion because they offer it in a well thought out way with supporting facts that will ensure a good debate.

3. Posters with an opinion, agenda, no supporting facts, a complete denial of any facts presented in opposition, who keep repeating the same thing as if saying it enough it will make it become true.

Guess which one adds nothing to the forum and has littered this thread with nonsense?

 

[J-DOG]

Neil O'Donnel had a great season and great playoffs and then came the SB.
If the Steelers had not won then Roths would have been the goat. If he makes it to more SB's and does not shine= well, YOU DO THE MATH. HE will never get a lot of respect if this happens more then once.

Go look at Bradshaw's stats from his first Super Bowl.
He didn't exactly light the place on fire.
Ben's first Super Bowl was sort of similar in that respect.
This jealously of the Steelers getting into the 5 Super Bowl rings club is why the haters of Rothleisberger are critical of him.
Time to grow up and accept that there are players out there that are great players who do not play for the Boys.
I wish Rothleisberger was on our team.
Reminds me of Aikman alot.
When we lost to the Steelers the last time we played the Steelers Rothleisberger was the main reason why we lost.
That was when he was a rookie.
Some people better recognize!

 

[big dog cowboy]

When we lost to the Steelers the last time we played the Steelers Rothleisberger was the main reason why we lost.

The reason we lost that game was because of VT and his incredible fumble by running to our own man. That turnover gave the ball to the Stealers at the 24 yard line. Roth had a good game. But we lost it much more than he won it.

 

[burmafrd]

Comparing Roths to possibly the most over rated QB in nfl history is not a good thing for Roths. Bradshaw never belonged in the HOF- and Roths is going to have to really put out in the SB for me to say he is great.

 

[koolaid]

I would love it if my team could win a Super Bowl throwing the ball nine times a game. That means I am running the ball extremely well and my QB makes his throws count and is accurate. Regardless, he averaged 22 passes a game and completed over sixty percent of those. That is efficiency and better than we have had around Dallas since Aikman.

I wonder how many of you would be dismissing Aikman's lack of statistics when "all he did was hand off" and claiming that since he wasn't Marino, he wasn't any good?

i just think ben gets far to much credit winning in pitt when i really dont see him as much more than a bus driver, he has the benifit of a good line, good recievers, and a solid core of rb's to takes the pressure off of him, and when he is asked to pass it seems like its rather high percentage throws.

as for aikman, i think he also had the benifit of being surrounded by very good players, and he may have gotten more credit than hem deserved

 

[koolaid]

There are pretty much 3 types of posters out there:

1. Posters with an opinion I agree with, and their opinion I respect because they put it out there in a thoughtful way, with supporting facts.

2. Posters with an opinion I don't agree with, but I respect their opinion because they offer it in a well thought out way with supporting facts that will ensure a good debate.

3. Posters with an opinion, agenda, no supporting facts, a complete denial of any facts presented in opposition, who keep repeating the same thing as if saying it enough it will make it become true.

Guess which one adds nothing to the forum and has littered this thread with nonsense?

ahhhh, my favorite

 

[tyke1doe]

The reason we lost that game was because of VT and his incredible fumble by running to our own man. That turnover gave the ball to the Stealers at the 24 yard line. Roth had a good game. But we lost it much more than he won it.

Well, if a rookie completes 21 of 25 for 193 yards and two TDs, I'd say that was more than just being a bus driver.

Furthermore, look what he did.

Roethlisberger, who faced constant pressure from the Dallas defense all afternoon, then guided Pittsburgh on an 11-play, 74-yard touchdown drive to begin the comeback. The first-round draft pick completed all seven of his throws, including a nifty 14-yard shovel pass to Jay Riemersma while under a heavy rush, and later connected with Jerame Tuman on a seven-yard touchdown to cut the deficit to three points with 11:48 to go.

Both Testaverde and Roethlisberger started out sharp, as each engineered touchdowns on their teams' initial series of the day.

Testaverde completed 5-of-6 passes on Dallas' first possession, including a 16-yard strike to Johnson on 3rd-and-9 which put the ball on the Steelers' 25. On another third-down play, Richie Anderson burst through on a draw from the Pittsburgh 21 and ran into the end zone for a 7-0 edge with less than six minutes elapsed after the opening kickoff.

Anderson finished with a team-best 54 yards on six attempts.

Roethlisberger then led the Steelers on a seven-play, 75-yard sequence for the tying score. A 32-yard deep pass to Plaxico Burress brought Pittsburgh inside the Dallas 25-yard line and three plays later, Roethlisberger and Burress teamed up for a five-yard touchdown with 5:22 left in the first quarter.

No game is made of just one play. And the fact that Ben missed only four passes, despite being a rookie, says much about his ability.

But hate on.