"Big Defensive Personnel"

[Cowboyny]

We are all aware that this defense has really struggled stopping the run for years. They haven't been good at since Wade Phillips was the team's HC, calling the defense. Really believe this defense needs to return to a 3-4 base defensive scheme (run downs). The scheme was actually designed to do a better job stopping the run. Good defenses effectively run "multiple schemes", but you need the personnel to accomplish that.

The defense is in need of "big personnel" and move away from that undersized, quick player off the snap. Need to get bigger not only along the DL, but also at linebacker:

A 3 man line usually consist of a NT, 5T DE and a 3T DT. All players need to have size, strength and length to be able to occupy multiple blockers.

Your LB's have to be bigger then those weakside types we have been drafting for years.

Believe we already have the OLB's in place, a good weakside backer, but extremely thin along the DL and inside at linebacker.

 

[gtb1943]

Assuming we get one of the DL from our current group, that means we are looking at needing 2 DL and 2 LB
though one could argue we might not have anyone who can play 3-4 DL
So that would be five new starters.
Not something that is going to happen in one year even if you work FA and of course we won't

 

[Cowboyny]

Assuming we get one of the DL from our current group, that means we are looking at needing 2 DL and 2 LB
though one could argue we might not have anyone who can play 3-4 DL
So that would be five new starters.
Not something that is going to happen in one year even if you work FA and of course we won't

I don’t think we need multiple linebackers, just a true Mike, where Overshown can play the will. We have a combo of Parsons, Kneeland, Sam Williams who can fill the olb. As for the DL, we know Mazi will be one of the starters, need 2 lineman with size that can occupy blockers, those types usually can be found later in a draft. The elite ones that go high are those athletic freaks, where they may take 1 and pair him with more of a run stuffer later on or even in fa where the cost isn’t too high

 

[tm1119]

We are all aware that this defense has really struggled stopping the run for years. They haven't been good at since Wade Phillips was the team's HC, calling the defense. Really believe this defense needs to return to a 3-4 base defensive scheme (run downs). The scheme was actually designed to do a better job stopping the run. Good defenses effectively run "multiple schemes", but you need the personnel to accomplish that.

The defense is in need of "big personnel" and move away from that undersized, quick player off the snap. Need to get bigger not only along the DL, but also at linebacker:

A 3 man line usually consist of a NT, 5T DE and a 3T DT. All players need to have size, strength and length to be able to occupy multiple blockers.

Your LB's have to be bigger then those weakside types we have been drafting for years.

Believe we already have the OLB's in place, a good weakside backer, but extremely thin along the DL and inside at linebacker.

I don’t think 3-4 or 4-3 really matters that much anymore. You’re going to be playing nickel the majority of the time, and there’s no such thing as a “running down” anymore…unless it’s a tush push type of situation.

Just get good players. Talent is the Cowboys biggest problem

 

[gtb1943]

I don’t think we need multiple linebackers, just a true Mike, where Overshown can play the will. We have a combo of Parsons, Kneeland, Sam Williams who can fill the olb. As for the DL, we know Mazi will be one of the starters, need 2 lineman with size that can occupy blockers, those types usually can be found later in a draft. The elite ones that go high are those athletic freaks, where they may take 1 and pair him with more of a run stuffer later on or even in fa where the cost isn’t too high

Frankly I do not think Mazi is going to be any better in the 3-4 then he was in the 4-3
we will need more ILBs because while Overshown might be able to do it, not sure Liafu can. So we will need at least two more to be sure.

 

[Cowboyny]

I don’t think 3-4 or 4-3 really matters that much anymore. You’re going to be playing nickel the majority of the time, and there’s no such thing as a “running down” anymore…unless it’s a tush push type of situation.

Just get good players. Talent is the Cowboys biggest problem

I understand this, but you need players who can play multiple formations

 

[BadLieutenant]

Lawrence Parsons
 Overstrrawn

 

[Parcells4Life]

I don’t think 3-4 or 4-3 really matters that much anymore. You’re going to be playing nickel the majority of the time, and there’s no such thing as a “running down” anymore…unless it’s a tush push type of situation.

Just get good players. Talent is the Cowboys biggest problem

This! 3-4/4-3 is only played 20% of the time. Except against teams like SF or Balt

 

[beware_d-ware]

Drafting "big personnel" is how we ended up with Mazi.

 

[gtb1943]

Drafting "big personnel" is how we ended up with Mazi.

we drafted an athlete NOT a player

 

[atlantacowboy]

Drafting "big personnel" is how we ended up with Mazi.

Poor scouting and player evaluation is how ended up with Mazi. There are too many cooks in the war room and nobody with any talent for it. I'm sure if we put the top 100 college players names in a hat and let a howler monkey draft the first 3 rounds, it could do as well.

 

[visionary]

Poor scouting and player evaluation is how ended up with Mazi. There are too many cooks in the war room and nobody with any talent for it. I'm sure if we put the top 100 college players names in a hat and let a howler monkey draft the first 3 rounds, it could do as well.

You clearly havent read Jerrys doodle-notes from the combine

 

[atlantacowboy]

You clearly havent read Jerrys doodle-notes from the combine

Are you trying to protect the reputation of Howler Monkeys? touche

 

[charron]

I will say this. The biggest issue isn't alignment or size. It is the type of guys they look for. They want prototypical pass rusher types. They prefer guys who test off the charts in shorts regardless if it matches their on field tape. They disregard a guy who excels at stopping the run if they don't think he can rush the passer at a high level.

 

[gtb1943]

I will say this. The biggest issue isn't alignment or size. It is the type of guys they look for. They want prototypical pass rusher types. They prefer guys who test off the charts in shorts regardless if it matches their on field tape. They disregard a guy who excels at stopping the run if they don't think he can rush the passer at a high level.

Absolutely. That is one of the reasons Jethro has not used a high pick on DT until last year. The OBSESSION with pass rush and that is exactly what it is. It means they go for measureless RATHER than performance
that is one of the reasons that passed on Watt for Taco. THEY IGNORED what each had done on the field.
The fact of the matter is that only a tiny percentage of DTs will EVER be a real pass rusher. That is why Aaron Donald was so great is that he did things NO ONE ELSE in the league was doing. Jethro and his minions have ignored the ability to stop the run for pass rush.
And it is another reason they picked Mazi was because of his measureables. He had NEVER been a pass rusher and he never was going to be a pass rusher but they in their ARROGANCE thought they could coach him up into being one. Ignoring the fact that with his physical ability he should have been a total ALL AMERICAN if he was really a PLAYER.

 

[cowboyec]

i'd love to have georgia dt nazir stackhouse.

 

[baltcowboy]

We are all aware that this defense has really struggled stopping the run for years. They haven't been good at since Wade Phillips was the team's HC, calling the defense. Really believe this defense needs to return to a 3-4 base defensive scheme (run downs). The scheme was actually designed to do a better job stopping the run. Good defenses effectively run "multiple schemes", but you need the personnel to accomplish that.

The defense is in need of "big personnel" and move away from that undersized, quick player off the snap. Need to get bigger not only along the DL, but also at linebacker:

A 3 man line usually consist of a NT, 5T DE and a 3T DT. All players need to have size, strength and length to be able to occupy multiple blockers.

Your LB's have to be bigger then those weakside types we have been drafting for years.

Believe we already have the OLB's in place, a good weakside backer, but extremely thin along the DL and inside at linebacker.

We have so many issues. There are two, maybe three running quarterbacks next year that we have to deal with in division so the Cowboys need to be beef up the run defense. This is gonna be along process to get great again without luck and free agency. We literally have real 5 players on our roster with a bunch of JAGS. Houston we gotta problem.

 

[KingintheNorth]

I don’t think 3-4 or 4-3 really matters that much anymore. You’re going to be playing nickel the majority of the time, and there’s no such thing as a “running down” anymore…unless it’s a tush push type of situation.

Just get good players. Talent is the Cowboys biggest problem

It doesn't. All teams are multiple, and majority of defensive downs are Nickel personnel.

The more multiple or versatile you are the better. Micah should be all over the place and then on the Edge on 3rd and long. Overshown can do what Jayron Kearse was successful at 2 years ago. Will Backer slash Big Safety.

The problem, as I see it, is the defense is several players away.

The Safeties fell off a cliff this year. The DTs are bad. Jerry's offseason of arrogance and Stephen's decade of ineptness killed the depth.

 

[Smith22]

The Safeties fell off a cliff this year. The DTs are bad. Jerry's offseason of arrogance and Stephen's decade of ineptness killed the depth.

Spot on.

Throw in 4 injured DEs, 2 injured corners, the worst RB group in the NFL and your QB pressing and it is almost impossible to be competitive.

 

[RonWashington]

We are all aware that this defense has really struggled stopping the run for years. They haven't been good at since Wade Phillips was the team's HC, calling the defense. Really believe this defense needs to return to a 3-4 base defensive scheme (run downs). The scheme was actually designed to do a better job stopping the run. Good defenses effectively run "multiple schemes", but you need the personnel to accomplish that.

The defense is in need of "big personnel" and move away from that undersized, quick player off the snap. Need to get bigger not only along the DL, but also at linebacker:

A 3 man line usually consist of a NT, 5T DE and a 3T DT. All players need to have size, strength and length to be able to occupy multiple blockers.

Your LB's have to be bigger then those weakside types we have been drafting for years.

Believe we already have the OLB's in place, a good weakside backer, but extremely thin along the DL and inside at linebacker.

Put Danny Stutsman 6’4” 240 Oklahoma in the middle flanked by Overshown Liufau . Reminds me of LVE the non injured version .