Bill Parcells on Mike & Mike... Cancelled

[Doomsday101]

Exactly. And Miami is no different. Jason Taylor is the epitome of the player who doesn't need to be moulded by Bill Parcells.

True but I think part of BP process is to show all players that no one player is bigger than the team. I think BP at times is harder on star players than he is avg players.

 

[VACowboy]

True but I think part of BP process is to show all players that no one player is bigger than the team. I think BP at times is harder on star players than he is avg players.

So he alienates the best player on his team, a guy who's been a team player, a leader and all-around great person? Maybe that's his tactic, but in this instance, the way things have busted out in the media, I have to side with Taylor.

I guess I just prefer a leader who earns respect instead of demanding it through fear.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I didn't like him before we hired him, the entire time he was here, and now....he's way passed his prime and his prime was overrated to begin with.

Don't hold back there Sarge. Tell us how you really feel...

 

[Sarge]

Don't hold back there Sarge. Tell us how you really feel...

..............

 

[Doomsday101]

So he alienates the best player on his team, a guy who's been a team player, a leader and all-around great person? Maybe that's his tactic, but in this instance, the way things have busted out in the media, I have to side with Taylor.

I guess I just prefer a leader who earns respect instead of demanding it through fear.

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with his style of coaching but that is just who he is and what I have seen in him over the years. I think allot of it has to do with he never wants players to settle with where they are at.

I think in the case of Taylor BP really does not care because Taylor only plans on being in the league for 1 more season and after that plans on pursuing his acting career. BP is not going to invest much time or effort in to a player like that.

Lastly there is no doubt if you are a thin skinned player BP is not going to be your cup of tea.

 

[VACowboy]

I think in the case of Taylor BP really does not care because Taylor only plans on being in the league for 1 more season and after that plans on pursuing his acting career. BP is not going to invest much time or effort in to a player like that.

That's probably the crux of the matter right there.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I can't believe any NFL coach worth his salt would be happy that the highest paid player in the organization decided he'd rather dance in spandex all offseason than spend a single day at the team's complex getting ready for the football season. Is that just a "Parcells thing"?

Once again, the two coaches coaching in the Superbowl were Parcells disciples using Parcells hard nosed philosophy. If you want to find the "modern" coaches, they're typically the guys figuring out who they're going to take with their Top 5 draft picks after their 3-13 seasons.

 

[Coakleys Dad]

BPs coaching style is antiquated, but he is still a good talent evaluater(except oline of course), I just dont like how he plays so many mind games, he wants players to focus on football well, let them do that then and stop trying to get into everybodys head.

 

[Doomsday101]

I can't believe any NFL coach worth his salt would be happy that the highest paid player in the organization decided he'd rather dance in spandex all offseason than spend a single day at the team's complex getting ready for the football season. Is that just a "Parcells thing"?

I think more so on a team that just came off a very bad season and with a new staff coming in.

I like Taylor and think he has been a great player but I really question if Taylor heart is in this or is his focus starting to become more about life after football?

You can't blame Taylor for that but you can't blame a HC for taking exception to that.

 

[Stash]

So he alienates the best player on his team, a guy who's been a team player, a leader and all-around great person? Maybe that's his tactic, but in this instance, the way things have busted out in the media, I have to side with Taylor.

I guess I just prefer a leader who earns respect instead of demanding it through fear.

Agreed.

I think Parcells is still a solid football man with a great wealth of knowledge to give.

But some of his methods seems rather childish for a man his age.

The whole thing two years ago referring to Owens as 'the player'?

Unnecessary and juvenile.

And if the reports of his tantrum with refusing to acknowledge Jason Taylor are accurate, that's another example.

Grown men don't be have in such a manner if you ask me.

I have no problems with discipline as long as it's handled right.

Those examples don't say 'handling it right' to me.

Parcells has gotten further away from the Super Bowl with each successive stop. It will be interesting to see what he and his boys accomplish with the mess they've inherited in Miami.

 

[Kilyin]

Once again, the two coaches coaching in the Superbowl were Parcells disciples using Parcells hard nosed philosophy. If you want to find the "modern" coaches, they're typically the guys figuring out who they're going to take with their Top 5 draft picks after their 3-13 seasons.

I guess you chose to ignore the "links" you love to clamor for in the other thread, but Coughlin did change his coaching style and approach with the team and players. He also implemented a player committee. I guess he learned all that from Parcells?

And what has Bill Parcells done without Belichick? Not much of anything. Belichick on the other hand is racking up Superbowl rings, even if he is cheating. And if you're going to give Parcells credit for all of Belichick's accomplishments, don't you have to give him credit for the bad stuff too? So I guess that makes Parcells not only a loser, but a cheating loser.

 

[Chief]

So he alienates the best player on his team, a guy who's been a team player, a leader and all-around great person? Maybe that's his tactic, but in this instance, the way things have busted out in the media, I have to side with Taylor.

I guess I just prefer a leader who earns respect instead of demanding it through fear.

Very well put.

I thought Parcells did a great job of coming into Dallas and fixing the mess that was the Jerry-Lacewell-Campo circus. He brought a sense of order on the personnel/front office side, as well as the field.

But he hit a wall a year or two later. The same wall that Landry hit in 1987-88. The same wall that Shula hit towards the end of his career.

All three were legends and all three had this dazed, confused look on their face at the end of their careers. Coaching in the NFL is extremely demanding and there comes a point when a person can't keep up.

Parcells is an enigma in many ways. He's the disciplinarian who let LT do his own thing. He's the personnel genius who missed big on some players at Dallas. He's part of the media when he's not coaching, and treats the media like crap when he's coaching. He couldn't live with coaching in the NFL, and couldn't live without it.

All that said, I think he was a very good football coach who was overrated in some areas. As a person, he seemed pretty miserable and pretty miserable to be around.

 

[adbutcher]

Bill was better than Campo. That earns him a pass.

He won more games with Campo's players and Wade won more with his players than he did.

I expected more. I don't think that is wrong.

You know I like and respect the Tuna but he under achieved here and his contribution to last season was greatly exaggerated, imo.

 

[Doomsday101]

Agreed.

I think Parcells is still a solid football man with a great wealth of knowledge to give.

But some of his methods seems rather childish for a man his age.

The whole thing two years ago referring to Owens as 'the player'?

Unnecessary and juvenile.

And if the reports of his tantrum with refusing to acknowledge Jason Taylor are accurate, that's another example.

Grown men don't be have in such a manner if you ask me.

I have no problems with discipline as long as it's handled right.

Those examples don't say 'handling it right' to me.

Parcells has gotten further away from the Super Bowl with each successive stop. It will be interesting to see what he and his boys accomplish with the mess they've inherited in Miami.

Was Jimmy right when he told a player to get off the field that the asthma field was over there as the guy was having an asthma attack or cutting a guy to make a point. Giving special leeway to some players and being Iron fisted with others? When it comes t discipline in football no one ever said it was even handed or even fair. Coaches always have a reason in their own minds for their actions it is not always clear but I do think there is a method to their madness

 

[VACowboy]

I can't believe any NFL coach worth his salt would be happy that the highest paid player in the organization decided he'd rather dance in spandex all offseason than spend a single day at the team's complex getting ready for the football season. Is that just a "Parcells thing"?

Taylor hasn't "danced in spandex all offseason." His participation in Dancing With the Stars precluded him from attending a couple of voluntary workouts, but there are more of those to come, as well as mini-camp and training camp. Had Parcells not done his silent treatment thing and Sparano not gone to the media, Taylor would probably have been attending OTAs and preparing for camp. Taylor isn't a rookie and he's not a slacker. He's known as a hard worker and a leader, and in my opinion, you don't treat those guys like kids. He'd have showed up in great shape, ready to go to work. So much for that.

 

[VACowboy]

Was Jimmy right when he told a player to get off the field that the asthma field was over there as the guy was having an asthma attack or cutting a guy to make a point. Giving special leeway to some players and being Iron fisted with others? When it comes t discipline in football no one ever said it was even handed or even fair. Coaches always have a reason in their own minds for their actions it is not always clear but I do think there is a method to their madness

Without a doubt. Parcells certainly has reasons for everything he does. The question is, does the way Parcells does things still mean championships? My opinion is that Parcells was/is a great football guy, but that he's been a little overrated all along.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Taylor hasn't "danced in spandex all offseason." His participation in Dancing With the Stars precluded him from attending a couple of voluntary workouts, but there are more of those to come, as well as mini-camp and training camp.

Yes it has. He hasn't spent one single day at the Dolphins training facility all offseason other than to stop by and shake hands, because he's been in Hollywood the entire time. Not one single weight lifting session. Not one single agility session. Not one single day where he worked on the practice field with his teammates. Even if you believe that Jason Taylor is the embodiment of football perfection and has absolutely nothing to work on fpr the upcoming season, wouldn't it be a nice gesture to your employer (who is paying you 7.5 million) to show up and maybe give the younger players pointers and advice on how you achieved this unfound level of football perfection that no one else in the history of the league has achieved?


The Parcells hate is so utterly ridiculous and illogical on this board that it's just hysterical what unjustifiable actions people will applaud as long as they believe they're "sticking it to Parcells". Go to any netural NFL board and everyone is laughing at what a joke Jason Taylor is. Everyone is saying there is no way they would trade any high draft pick on spend any money on a player who is more concerned about Hollywood than the NFL. But you guys are saying "Derrrrrr ... thattaway to stick it to that durn Purcells ...deerrrrr!!" The sad irony is that this is blind hatred for a man who almost singlehandedly reversed this franchise from NFL laughing stock of the Jerry and Larry Show. People don't realize how easily we could be in Year 5 of Jerry's "Drew Henson Is An NFL QB" Project.

 

[Hostile]

You know I like and respect the Tuna but he under achieved here and his contribution to last season was greatly exaggerated, imo.

I thank the Man Upstairs that he came, and that he is gone.

 

[Aven8]

The sad part of this whole situation is Sparano and Ireland are now puppets. Just like Campo and Lacewell were when Jerry was running everything. Everybody would gripe and belly ache about Jerry running everything, and now Miami is NO different!

Yeah you can say Parcells has way more skins on the wall or whatever. But Jerry does have one more Superbowl title then Parcells does, whether he was just the owner/GM/wannabe or not.

I really feel sorry for Sparano.....think about it....when do you hear his name called? Even when he held the presser about Taylor not playing, the media blew it up as "Parcells"! It's ridiculous that this guy has to look over his shoulder and not be able to be the coach he wants to be.

Anyway, I'm glad Parcell's is in Miami...I got so fed up with him. I did like him intially, but he wore out his welcome really quick. And please don't give Parcell's all of the credit for this team!! I seem to remember being in salary cap hell when those 5-11 seasons were going on. That also helped Parcell's build a team..getting out of it I mean!

 

[burmafrd]

We WERE becoming a Joke in the NFL when BP got here. He pretty much rebuilt the entire franchise =coaching staff, scouts, so on. He gave Jerrah a post graduate course in how to build a team. I think in the end he was too old and did not have the energy left for more then a couple of years. He did a GREAT job of coaching his first year here= there are only a handfull of players from that first team still in the NFL. And if were to look even last year there were still only a handfull left. BUT I think he lost energy and especially in his last year he just no longer had it in him/
For those growling about his O line picks= only one of them is no longer in the NFL=Peterman is still starting and so is Johnson. BP is also the only one on the staff that wanted to give Gurode one more shot; and it was all BP as far as Colombo is concerned. He was also the one that convinced Jerrah to resign the Hotel in 2003 to his first big contract. So frankly he did pretty good as regards talent on the O line. And we still have McQ here and he could turn out pretty good.