Bill Parcells on Mike & Mike... Cancelled

[InmanRoshi]

Anyway, I'm glad Parcell's is in Miami...I got so fed up with him. I did like him intially, but he wore out his welcome really quick. And please don't give Parcell's all of the credit for this team!! I seem to remember being in salary cap hell when those 5-11 seasons were going on. That also helped Parcell's build a team..getting out of it I mean!

We weren't 5-11 because of "salary cap hell". We were 5-11 for three straight years because we were in "We've had the worst draft record of any team in the last seven years by a considerable margin" hell.

I remember people saying Parcells was just being "too old school" when he cut Derek Ross. You can now find Derek Ross playing in your local state penal league. Or "too hardnosed" when it came to Antonio Bryant .. and how many teams has Antonio Bryant been kicked off of since? What's he doing now? Getting a 1 year tryout with the Official NFL Reclaimation Program also known as the Tampa Bay Bucs, competing for a spot with David Boston? It's funny how often Parcells has turned out to be right when he's been accused of being "too old school and hardnosed" on these matters.

 

[VACowboy]

Yes it has. He hasn't spent one single day at the Dolphins training facility all offseason other than to stop by and shake hands, because he's been in Hollywood the entire time. Not one single weight lifting session. Not one single agility session. Not one single day where he worked on the practice field with his teammates. Even if you believe that Jason Taylor is the embodiment of football perfection and has absolutely nothing to work on fpr the upcoming season, wouldn't it be a nice gesture to your employer (who is paying you 7.5 million) to show up and maybe give the younger players pointers and advice on how you achieved this unfound level of football perfection that no one else in the history of the league has achieved?


The Parcells hate is so utterly ridiculous and illogical on this board that it's just hysterical what unjustifiable actions people will applaud as long as they believe they're "sticking it to Parcells". Go to any netural NFL board and everyone is laughing at what a joke Jason Taylor is. The sad irony is that this is blind hatred for a man who almost singlehandedly reversed this franchise from NFL laughing stock of the Jerry and Larry Show. People don't realize how easily we could be in Year 5 of Jerry's Drew Henson Project.

My point is, offseason isn't over. Lots of players do their own thing when it comes to workouts and then come to town when practices start up.

And I'm not a "Parcells hater." Like I said, Parcells was good for the Cowboys. I agree that he helped turn the team around, although I'd argue against the assertion that he did it singlehandedly. He changed the attitude at Valley Ranch. He cleaned out the scouting department. He taught Jerry a lot about running a team. Yes, he's a great football man. But that doesn't mean his tactics are going to win his team any championships. They haven't since Scott Norwood missed a field goal way back when, and my guess is that they won't now for the simple reason that once a team has the talent to win it all it also has lots of players who won't appreciate being treated like seventh graders. That's my opinion, and it doesn't mean I hate Bill Parcells.

 

[jterrell]

BP did a good job here but he himself prevented it from being a great job.

All that bickering and internal fuss was completely unnecessary.

Parcells was the proverbial kid who took his ball and went home except a nicer kid showed up and had his own ball with less wear and tear.

BP CAN be greatness but he seems to derail himself. His act wears thin and that's why only teams in the crapper come calling and he never lasts anywhere.

 

[jterrell]

I thank the Man Upstairs that he came, and that he is gone.

My take as well.

We improved and set up a deep pool of talent but the stifling of personalities, team access and overall grumpiness of America's Team just wasn't us.

 

[Doomsday101]

Without a doubt. Parcells certainly has reasons for everything he does. The question is, does the way Parcells does things still mean championships? My opinion is that Parcells was/is a great football guy, but that he's been a little overrated all along.

I think if any coach can get his team to buy into what he is doing and has them doing to achive a championship then yes his ways could still work. I think there are many different ways and styles to achive the same goals when talking coaches and no one way is always the right way.

 

[VACowboy]

I think if any coach can get his team to buy into what he is doing and has them doing to achive a championship then yes his ways could still work. I think there are many different ways and styles to achive the same goals when talking coaches and no one way is always the right way.

Yep. I agree. Unfortunately, I think the that in today's era of big money, a majority of players think they are bigger than the team and are unwilling to buy into anything that restricts them from doing what they want to do.

I thank the Man Upstairs that he came, and that he is gone.

You said it way simpler and better than I have, Hos. I'll shut up now.

 

[Hostile]

You said it way simpler and better than I have, Hos. I'll shut up now.

The fact that I said something pertinent in one line is a breakthrough for me.

 

[Aven8]

We weren't 5-11 because of "salary cap hell". We were 5-11 for three straight years because we were in "We've had the worst draft record of any team in the last seven years by a considerable margin" hell.

I remember people saying Parcells was just being "too old school" when he cut Derek Ross. You can now find Derek Ross playing in your local state penal league. Or "too hardnosed" when it came to Antonio Bryant .. and how many teams has Antonio Bryant been kicked off of since? What's he doing now? Getting a 1 year tryout with the Official NFL Reclaimation Program also known as the Tampa Bay Bucs, competing for a spot with David Boston? It's funny how often Parcells has turned out to be right when he's been accused of being "too old school and hardnosed" on these matters.

We weren't in salary cap hell???? How do you figure? We were still paying for Aikman, Deion, Novacek, Haley, etc...and they weren't even on the team anymore! Plus we gave up two 1st for Galloway that I remember Troy telling Jerry, "Go get this guy what ever it cost!" All of those moments strapped us!

 

[InmanRoshi]

We weren't in salary cap hell???? How do you figure? We were still paying for Aikman, Deion, Novacek, Haley, etc...and they weren't even on the team anymore! Plus we gave up two 1st for Galloway that I remember Troy telling Jerry, "Go get this guy what ever it cost!" All of those moments strapped us!

Haley retired from Dallas in 1996. Novacek retired in 1997. Deion left the Cowboys in 1999.

No, we weren't carrying their salaries on the roster in 3-5 years later in 2002 when we were still going 5-11. The fact that we could bring on Joey Galloway and give him a mega contract is proof that we weren't in "cap hell".

We were losing because we had absolutely no talent base after 7 years of horrible drafts.

Do you even want to address the Jerry and Larry drafts?

 

[Hostile]

I just got told that Parcells' segment will air at about 9:25 am Eastern time.

 

[superpunk]

Bill Parcells

We were lucky to be graced with his presence on our football team. If you can't appreciate what he did for us, the stamp left on this organization, and the changes brought about largely because of one man, then you are an idiot - without exception.

I'll look forward to more pearls of wisdom from this saint's mouth tomorrow morning.

 

[khiladi]

Haley retired from Dallas in 1996. Novacek retired in 1997. Deion left the Cowboys in 1999.

No, we weren't carrying their salaries on the roster in 3-5 years later in 2002 when we were still going 5-11. The fact that we could bring on Joey Galloway and give him a mega contract is proof that we weren't in "cap hell".

We were losing because we had absolutely no talent base after 7 years of horrible drafts.

Do you even want to address the Jerry and Larry drafts?

Let the blind-worshipping of Parcells continue:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_game/peter_king/news/2001/03/08/king_insider_mar8/

Taking the hit on Aikman's $10 million salary-cap charge now makes Jones right, technically, but there is still the little matter of playing the 2001 season. What an ugly season it will be. In 17 years covering the NFL, I've never seen a team -- including the cash-strapped 49ers of the last few years -- in this bad of a financial situation prior to a season. It is six months before opening day, and NFL salary cap documents show that 35 percent of the Cowboys' 2001 cap space will be taken up by ghosts.

What were you saying?

How about this one:

Other NFL teams have crippling amounts of dead money on the cap -- for instance, the 49ers and Chiefs each have more than $12 million -- but the Cowboys' $23 million is unprecedented. What this means is that virtually every player they take on from here on out will have to be signed for very near the minimum salary, unless Dallas chooses to continue to commit future suicide by re-doing more contracts. That only pushes the team's financial obligations to the future. For example, on Thursday the Cowboys handed declining receiver Rocket Ismail a $1.1 million signing bonus and extended his contract to get him to play for the minimum wage in 2001.

That is 2001. Jerry Jones had the mess cleaned up before Parcells even got here....

 

[Sarge]

The fact that I said something pertinent in one line is a breakthrough for me.

No argument here.

 

[Kilyin]

Bill Parcells

We were lucky to be graced with his presence on our football team. If you can't appreciate what he did for us, the stamp left on this organization, and the changes brought about largely because of one man, then you are an idiot - without exception.

I'll look forward to more pearls of wisdom from this saint's mouth tomorrow morning.

If you can't criticize or even acknowledge the obvious mistakes and shortcomings during his tenure here, then you are an idiot - without exception.

I will say though that I did enjoy his press conferences, but press conferences don't win playoff games or Lombardi trophies.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Bill was better than Campo. That earns him a pass.

He won more games with Campo's players and Wade won more with his players than he did.

I expected more. I don't think that is wrong.

a punch in the stomach is better than a kick in the balls.

 

[superpunk]

If you can't criticize or even acknowledge the obvious mistakes and shortcomings during his tenure here, then you are an idiot - without exception.

I can and I have. But the good far outweighs the bad, or mistakes - which are present with any tenure, from Jimmy Johnson to Bill Bellichick. If anyone can't see and be enormously grateful for that...well, they're idiots.

 

[Hostile]

a punch in the stomach is better than a kick in the balls.

Not if you are sick but wearing a cup.

 

[InmanRoshi]

That is 2001. Jerry Jones had the mess cleaned up before Parcells even got here....

And what's the excuse for 2002?

It was Jerry's mess all along, but it was far from cleaned up .. which is why Parcells had to completely rehaul 90% of the roster he inherited from The Jerry and Larry Show.

Once again, do you want to touch The Jerry and Larry Show drafts?

 

[zrinkill]

a punch in the stomach is better than a kick in the balls.

Not if you are sick but wearing a cup.

Stealing that line.

 

[bpfred]

I understand a lot of people disliking Parcells. He was rude and condescending much of the time. So I understand the bashing. But...

Put me in the pro-Parcell's camp. I think his accomplishments are very much under-appreciated (in general) by this board.

He was instrumental in retaining and developing Romo--an undrafted free agent who has turned out to be one of the better QBs in the league. There is a terrible shortage of good QBs, and we have been spoiled over the years (going all the way back to Meredith). My opinion: Not having a top QB is the reason Parcells didn't have more post-season success. And I don't blame him for it--he tried just about every QB he could find, and none of them were very good. (If Romo goes down this year, we will see what life is like with a bad QB--something I really hope doesn't happen).

Another opinion: Success in the NFL is dependent to a significant degree on the QB and the talent evaluators. Coaching is the most over-rated commodity in the NFL. If I could take anyone from the New England front office/ coaching staff if wouldn't be Belichek, it would be Pioli. People tend to forget what a failure Belichek was in Cleveland. And speaking of Cleveland, their success is way more dependent of Phil Savage than Romeo Crennel.

Parcells improved the talent of the team enormously while he was here, he just didn't get QB fixed, and didn't have the energy level to last through Romo's development--not something I hold against him. And, unlike so many on this board, I don't have ANY problem with the coaching he did. I've heard many comments to the effect that he should have blitzed more. The safety play (a misnomer if there ever was one) was so bad other teams would've been ringing up TDs like crazy if they would've blitzed more.

Had to get my 2 cents in. And it's worth what you paid for it.