Bill Polian on Zeke

[Verdict]

Keep in mind that Polian was the first national media guy who had us taking Zeke at #4 overall. Before the draft he said we would take Zeke and not look back as if it was a foregone conclusion, and obviously he was right.

Now he says that Elliott is far and away the NFL MVP. Polian says second place isn't even close. He says all of this team's success starts and stops with Elliott, and that without him as a difference maker we are a vastly different team.

 

[erod]

He's right.

He's keeping teams up on the line of scrimmage, making almost every play man coverage for Dak. Rookie quarterbacks can throw against man coverage much easier than NFL zones.

That actually hurts Zeke to a degree. If Romo was playing, they'd have to back off, and Zeke would probably have a couple hundred more yards.

 

[Stash]

Keep in mind that Polian was the first national media guy who had us taking Zeke at #4 overall. Before the draft he said we would take Zeke and not look back as if it was a foregone conclusion, and obviously he was right.

Now he says that Elliott is far and away the NFL MVP. Polian says second place isn't even close. He says all of this team's success starts and stops with Elliott, and that without him as a difference maker we are a vastly different team.

That's become apparent to me even during the games. At the beginning of the season, I was happy to see Alfred Morris get his opportunities. Now I dread it when I see him on the field. Not that's he's a bad player, but the difference between he and Zeke is huge. The offense doesn't look close to itself without Elliott out there.

I'd love to see what the productivity numbers for the offense have been with and without Elliott on the field. I think the differences would be stark.

 

[CCBoy]

Nothing wrong with a draft chunked full of young difference makers...and good on the cap too.

 

[CATCH17]

Keep in mind that Polian was the first national media guy who had us taking Zeke at #4 overall. Before the draft he said we would take Zeke and not look back as if it was a foregone conclusion, and obviously he was right.

Now he says that Elliott is far and away the NFL MVP. Polian says second place isn't even close. He says all of this team's success starts and stops with Elliott, and that without him as a difference maker we are a vastly different team.

If I had a vote it would be Zeke.

As good as Dak is you can't help but notice defenses crowding the box and run blitzing throughout the game although Dak has been really good the last few games.


Derek Carr will win it though unless he loses a couple more games.

We need Carr to have some stinkers or our guys won't win MVP.

Brady shouldn't even be considered this year.

 

[Satchel89]

I didn't know if I liked Polian at first when he started working for ESPN. But he's really good on there. He brings a different perspective to the discussions on there. There's so many god awful homer ex-players like Bruschi and Trent Dilfer is so annoying. He now has become the QB expert because he breaks down film. I would rather listen to Polian and obviously he was right about Zeke

 

[JJHLH1]

I respectfully disagree. It all starts with the QB and Dak's play has been outstanding. He certainly benefits from having Zeke in the backfield, but at the same time Zeke also benefits from having Dak as his quarterback. Al Michaels or Chris Collinsworth mentioned this during the Vikings game, how defenders have to hesitate slightly before they can focus on Zeke because they aren't sure if Dak is going to run with the ball. It's a perfect combination and I'm thankful it's ours.

 

[slick325]

Keep in mind that Polian was the first national media guy who had us taking Zeke at #4 overall. Before the draft he said we would take Zeke and not look back as if it was a foregone conclusion, and obviously he was right.

Now he says that Elliott is far and away the NFL MVP. Polian says second place isn't even close. He says all of this team's success starts and stops with Elliott, and that without him as a difference maker we are a vastly different team.

He is absolutely correct. Dallas wanting Elliott was the worst kept secret of the Combine earlier this year so the HOFer didn't go out on a limb with his prediction that Elliott would be the pick. He also isn't going out on a limb saying the best player on the best team in the League should be MVP.

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

Elliot is MVP IMO

 

[CATCH17]

I didn't know if I liked Polian at first when he started working for ESPN. But he's really good on there. He brings a different perspective to the discussions on there. There's so many god awful homer ex-players like Bruschi and Trent Dilfer is so annoying. He now has become the QB expert because he breaks down film. I would rather listen to Polian and obviously he was right about Zeke

ESPN's crew is just lame and Dilfer is not a good pre-game guy at all but I do enjoy his analysis.


NFL Network is the best IMO.

They got rid of Warren Sapp and they have hid Jamie Dukes so well that we he goes unnoticed.

I really enjoy the gameday crew. Even Marshall Faulk.

I also like the Fox pre-game.

ESPN would be better off letting their Fantasy football crew do their actual NFL games and get the Bermans of the world out of there. Freshen it up.

 

[mattjames2010]

There's a lot of great players in this league, so this "second is not even close" is a bit off the mark.

Right off the top of my head, with how Stafford is playing he's in the discussion. Stafford since week 6 has 14 TDs to only 1 INT. He is playing at quite an incredible level and making every player around him better, he has also only lost one game in that span.

I have already started a thread on this, but David Johnson is another. 1,005 yards rushing, 11 TDs, over 700 yards receiving. He could potentially be the first player in history to have over 100 yards from scrimmage in 16 games if he keeps it up. He also has a chance of breaking the 09 yards from scrimmage record set by Chris Johnson. He's having an unbelievable year, and I personally don't care about the Cardinals record, the guy is far and away the most valuable player on the team and they'd be even worse off without him with how Palmer is playing this year.

You then have Dak, who I think will end up getting MVP.

While Zeke is having a great year, he's not exactly doing anything record breaking or what I consider to be extraordinary from the RB standpoint. You can make the case with Dak, the amount of 100 ratings he's had, the low INT total or the very best argument: We didn't lose so many games last year due to poor RB play, we lost because we didn't have a good QB.

IF each of these players continue on the pace they are at, I would choose Stafford as the NFL MVP. I think he has lesser talent on offense that he's working with and making those around him better. While Dak statistically is having a big year, he has a great O-line, great RB, and a great group of receivers.

 

[CATCH17]

He is absolutely correct. Dallas wanting Elliott was the worst kept secret of the Combine earlier this year so the HOFer didn't go out on a limb with his prediction that Elliott would be the pick. He also isn't going out on a limb saying the best player on the best team in the League should be MVP.

It sure didn't seem like that throughout the draft process.

It was all about Bosa and Ramsey for months and Zeke would be a settle move. That is the information we got.

 

[slick325]

It sure didn't seem like that throughout the draft process.

It was all about Bosa and Ramsey for months and Zeke would be a settle move. That is the information we got.

Catch, I meant among people at the Combine and League Meetings.

 

[manster4ever]

He's right.

He's keeping teams up on the line of scrimmage, making almost every play man coverage for Dak. Rookie quarterbacks can throw against man coverage much easier than NFL zones.

That actually hurts Zeke to a degree. If Romo was playing, they'd have to back off, and Zeke would probably have a couple hundred more yards.

HOLY....you are right. He'd smash 2,000 yards easily

 

[btcutter]

I respectfully disagree. It all starts with the QB and Dak's play has been outstanding. He certainly benefits from having Zeke in the backfield, but at the same time Zeke also benefits from having Dak as his quarterback. Al Michaels or Chris Collinsworth mentioned this during the Vikings game, how defenders have to hesitate slightly before they can focus on Zeke because they aren't sure if Dak is going to run with the ball. It's a perfect combination and I'm thankful it's ours.

Just ask ourselves this question. If we put Romo (of 2014) in as starter rather than Dak would Zeke be more successful or at least as successful as he is now and if Dak has NO Zeke would he be as successful or now.

 

[mattjames2010]

Just ask ourselves this question. If we put Romo (of 2014) in as starter rather than Dak would Zeke be more successful or at least as successful as he is now and if Dak has NO Zeke would he be as successful or now.

If Zeke wins MVP, shouldn't Murray have been deserving?

I have to ask some here, we used to talk about the O-line being the reason for the running game being so strong. Now it kinda seems many are forgetting that and saying it's Zeke. The MVP of this team is still this O-line, it's really just that good.

Because of that, I have a hard time giving any individual player on the team the MVP. BUT if it came down to that, QB is simply just a more valuable position and it would have to go to Dak. The discussion now should be who is playing best, Stafford, Carr, or Dak.

 

[rynochop]

Just ask ourselves this question. If we put Romo (of 2014) in as starter rather than Dak would Zeke be more successful or at least as successful as he is now and if Dak has NO Zeke would he be as successful or now.

Tough question..I think Tony makes more plays down the field throwing, but I also see multiple plays where Tony is going down in the backfield that Dak turns into positive yardage.

 

[btcutter]

If Zeke wins MVP, shouldn't Murray have been deserving?

I have to ask some here, we used to talk about the O-line being the reason for the running game being so strong. Now it kinda seems many are forgetting that and saying it's Zeke. The MVP of this team is still this O-line, it's really just that good.

Because of that, I have a hard time giving any individual player on the team the MVP. BUT if it came down to that, QB is simply just a more valuable position and it would have to go to Dak. The discussion now should be who is playing best, Stafford, Carr, or Dak.

Murray certainly should have been in the conversation. I don't remember who were the nominees that year. We are debating between Zeke and Dak and I choose Zeke.

 

[Satchel89]

ESPN's crew is just lame and Dilfer is not a good pre-game guy at all but I do enjoy his analysis.


NFL Network is the best IMO.

They got rid of Warren Sapp and they have hid Jamie Dukes so well that we he goes unnoticed.

I really enjoy the gameday crew. Even Marshall Faulk.

I also like the Fox pre-game.

ESPN would be better off letting their Fantasy football crew do their actual NFL games and get the Bermans of the world out of there. Freshen it up.

I have been watching a little more of the NFL Network Pregame. It has kind of grown on me. And you are so right about Berman, Go away. Leave us alone.

 

[Thetriplets22]

I think teams have figured out Dak, stop Zeke and play the playaction. Double Dez and we have trouble moving the ball