Bills vets getting frustrated with Losman

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ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. (AP) - Bills receiver Eric Moulds is trying to keep his frustrations from bubbling over, hoping quarterback J.P. Losman finally can muster a passing attack.

It hasn't been easy. Moulds is a proud 10-year veteran, paid to be the team's star, accustomed to being the go-to guy, but currently relegated to afterthought status in an offence that's sputtering.

"I'm trying to keep a level head," Moulds said Wednesday. "Back four or five years ago, I probably would've lost it by now. But I told coach I'm going to stick with it and see what happens. But there comes a point where we have to win some games, we have to make plays."

"It's tough," he added. "It's hard for me to sit here and bite my tongue."

His frustrations reflect both his sagging numbers and Buffalo's last two games, losses to Atlanta and Tampa Bay in which the Bills (1-2) had 355 total yards and just 136 passing.


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Moulds has managed eight catches for 66 yards in three games. He had 68 or more yards receiving in eight games last year. And it's a far cry from the 2002 season, when Moulds set a franchise record with 100 catches and had five 100-yard outings.

He's currently third among Buffalo receivers in yards, which doesn't say much, considering Josh Reed leads with 101.

The Bills' troubles are mostly the result of Losman, the first-year starter who's still finding his rhythm, poise and consistency.

Losman has completed fewer than 49 percent of his passes, has both underthrown and overthrown receivers, and has acknowledged he's still somewhat hesitant in the pocket. It doesn't help that opponents have pressured him on most snaps, giving Losman little time to get set.

"It hasn't gotten to a frustrating point, but if it drags throughout the year, I'm sure it will get frustrating to everybody," Losman said.

Buffalo's 2004 first-round draft pick is focused on a making a better effort Sunday, when the Bills play New Orleans at San Antonio.

"I want to be that guy for them, the guy who wings it," Losman said. "That's my approach this whole week, to be that guy for them."

The only thing that's working is Buffalo's running game. Willis McGahee had a career-high 140 yards rushing and a touchdown in a 24-16 loss to Atlanta last weekend.

Otherwise, the Bills are having difficulty putting up points. They've produced two touchdowns and settled for nine field goals. They've been particularly inefficient inside an opponent's 20, managing two touchdowns in nine trips.

Moulds was careful to say he still supports Losman.

"I still believe in him, but I think there comes a point where a light has to click on," Moulds said. "He's going to make mistakes. He's not going to make every read right. But at the same time, you have to be on point as far as getting your passes out to receivers and let us make plays."

Coach Mike Mularkey said Losman has to get rid of the ball more quickly. But he also said receivers have to run crisper routes and stop dropping balls.

"I'm sure they're frustrated, and naturally so," Mularkey said. "But they have to continue to help (Losman's) progress. And that is to continue to get better at their positions."

Losman is the seventh starter Moulds has played with in Buffalo. That group includes Hall of Famer Jim Kelly, bust Todd Collins and journeyman backup Alex Van Pelt. And it's been six years since the Bills have made the playoffs.

Moulds worries his career is growing short and his patience even shorter.

"I've been around here 10 years, and I don't want to be one of those guys that all of a sudden just loses it," Moulds said. "I'm at the point in my career where I want to win first. If we go to the Super Bowl and I have 15 catches, that's fine with me. But we're not doing that right now."
 

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Interesting no mention of Bledsoe at all :) . You KNOW Moulds has be at least occasionally glancing at Bledsoe's stats this year.

By spending a high pick on a QB, the Bills decided to bite the bullet and start Losman/ditch Bledsoe just like New York did with Manning and Collins and even Jerry did with Quincy and Banks.

High picks just can't be sat down anymore. Rivers/Brees is different because Brees was a high pick himself and is so young.
 

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And this is reason numero uno you dont say screw the rest of the team to develop a young guy at QB who is at best a 50-50 proposition to ever develop into more than a journeyman.

Buffalo has a top 10 defense easily and a solid special teams.

If they had a veteran spare QB they could win some enough games to push for a playoff spot. But a kid QB is gonna cost em at least 2 or 3 games and those are games they cant afford to lose with any hopes beyond suffering through 16 meaningless games. In order to do that a kid QB has to have a magic about him that the team feels and public sees.
 

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This is such great revenge for them heating up at the end of the season and giving us the 20 instead of another top 10 pick like we should have had. Losman is never going to be a real starter, I knew this when they signed him, and going with him after a hot end of the year from Bledsoe was a huge mistake, they could have waited another year. Im sure Moulds and all the vets would love to have Bledsoe back, and it makes Bledsoe's great play that much sweeter


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Bills vets getting frustrated with Losman

ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. (AP) - Bills receiver Eric Moulds is trying to keep his frustrations from bubbling over, hoping quarterback J.P. Losman finally can muster a passing attack.

It hasn't been easy. Moulds is a proud 10-year veteran, paid to be the team's star, accustomed to being the go-to guy, but currently relegated to afterthought status in an offence that's sputtering.

"I'm trying to keep a level head," Moulds said Wednesday. "Back four or five years ago, I probably would've lost it by now. But I told coach I'm going to stick with it and see what happens. But there comes a point where we have to win some games, we have to make plays."

"It's tough," he added. "It's hard for me to sit here and bite my tongue."

His frustrations reflect both his sagging numbers and Buffalo's last two games, losses to Atlanta and Tampa Bay in which the Bills (1-2) had 355 total yards and just 136 passing.


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Moulds has managed eight catches for 66 yards in three games. He had 68 or more yards receiving in eight games last year. And it's a far cry from the 2002 season, when Moulds set a franchise record with 100 catches and had five 100-yard outings.

He's currently third among Buffalo receivers in yards, which doesn't say much, considering Josh Reed leads with 101.

The Bills' troubles are mostly the result of Losman, the first-year starter who's still finding his rhythm, poise and consistency.

Losman has completed fewer than 49 percent of his passes, has both underthrown and overthrown receivers, and has acknowledged he's still somewhat hesitant in the pocket. It doesn't help that opponents have pressured him on most snaps, giving Losman little time to get set.

"It hasn't gotten to a frustrating point, but if it drags throughout the year, I'm sure it will get frustrating to everybody," Losman said.

Buffalo's 2004 first-round draft pick is focused on a making a better effort Sunday, when the Bills play New Orleans at San Antonio.

"I want to be that guy for them, the guy who wings it," Losman said. "That's my approach this whole week, to be that guy for them."

The only thing that's working is Buffalo's running game. Willis McGahee had a career-high 140 yards rushing and a touchdown in a 24-16 loss to Atlanta last weekend.

Otherwise, the Bills are having difficulty putting up points. They've produced two touchdowns and settled for nine field goals. They've been particularly inefficient inside an opponent's 20, managing two touchdowns in nine trips.

Moulds was careful to say he still supports Losman.

"I still believe in him, but I think there comes a point where a light has to click on," Moulds said. "He's going to make mistakes. He's not going to make every read right. But at the same time, you have to be on point as far as getting your passes out to receivers and let us make plays."

Coach Mike Mularkey said Losman has to get rid of the ball more quickly. But he also said receivers have to run crisper routes and stop dropping balls.

"I'm sure they're frustrated, and naturally so," Mularkey said. "But they have to continue to help (Losman's) progress. And that is to continue to get better at their positions."

Losman is the seventh starter Moulds has played with in Buffalo. That group includes Hall of Famer Jim Kelly, bust Todd Collins and journeyman backup Alex Van Pelt. And it's been six years since the Bills have made the playoffs.

Moulds worries his career is growing short and his patience even shorter.

"I've been around here 10 years, and I don't want to be one of those guys that all of a sudden just loses it," Moulds said. "I'm at the point in my career where I want to win first. If we go to the Super Bowl and I have 15 catches, that's fine with me. But we're not doing that right now."
 

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jterrell said:
And this is reason numero uno you dont say screw the rest of the team to develop a young guy at QB who is at best a 50-50 proposition to ever develop into more than a journeyman.
Losman was a huge reach in that draft. they traded up to get him although he wasnt a first round pick. He's an average guy, who got lucky and impressed a team enough with armstrength and speed that they took a huge chance on him. He started too early, he's clearly not anywhere near ready to start. This guy could be ruined forever at this rate, but I think he was going to be a bust anyways.
 

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ravidubey said:
By spending a high pick on a QB, the Bills decided to bite the bullet and start him/ditch Bledsoe just like New York did with Manning and Collins and even Jerry did with Quincy and Banks.

High picks just can't be sat down anymore. Rivers/Brees is different because Brees was a high pick himself and is so young.

I'm more poking fun at the numerous Bills fan that came to this site and gave us a hard time for taking Bledsoe. They all thought it was funny that we got Bledose and that Loseman was going to be better than sliced bread day one. I for one am tired of other teams coming to this board without the mire thought of some form of humility.

I agree, if you take a high pick, get him on the field. But to the fans that came here to chuckle, be careful of the toes you step on today, they me be attached to the rear-end you have to kiss tomorrow.

The Empire Strikes Back!!!! Score one for the Good Guys.
 

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Hiero said:
This is such great revenge for them heating up at the end of the season and giving us the 20 instead of another top 10 pick like we should have had.

Did it matter though? We were locked in on Spears with that second pick -- even if we had say #8 and #11 the picks still would have been Ware and Spears, and they would be looking like pretty good picks there.
 

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Did it matter though? We were locked in on Spears with that second pick -- even if we had say #8 and #11 the picks still would have been Ware and Spears, and they would be looking like pretty good picks there.
If we really had been locked onto Spears as the pick no matter what, we could have traded down and gotten something like a 2nd or 3rd etc. We could have used that 2nd on a speedy FS.
 

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It's way too early in the season to laugh at what's going on with the Bills QB position, IMO. We're only 3 games in and while it looks like we came out ahead in the trade w/Buffalo, looks can be deceiving.

Just as easily as the light could come on for Losman (anything's possible) in the 2nd half of the season, the light could just as easily go off for Bledsoe. It's not an impossible feat to imagine. I'm pleased w/Bledsoe so far, but I think I'll just wait a little longer before jumping on his bandwagon.
 

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No ****. They're just getting older and they want to win.

They were close last year with Bledsoe. And losman is sucking it up. Add to that they lost Takeo Spikes, and they really have to realize they have no chance this year.

They also see Bledsoe owning it up in Dallas. And that frustrates them even more.

The funny thing is that some idiot cowboys fans would have us been in the same position.

All I can say is that I hope Henson becomes the backup quarterback as soon as possible, and that he is afforded playing time when we are winning games.
 

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Bilkls season in shambles - glad to see all the Bufalo fans taking it in the pipe. They can have Losman. Bledsoe elevating our offense so far.
 

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WoodysGirl said:
It's way too early in the season to laugh at what's going on with the Bills QB position, IMO. We're only 3 games in and while it looks like we came out ahead in the trade w/Buffalo, looks can be deceiving.

Just as easily as the light could come on for Losman (anything's possible) in the 2nd half of the season, the light could just as easily go off for Bledsoe. It's not an impossible feat to imagine. I'm pleased w/Bledsoe so far, but I think I'll just wait a little longer before jumping on his bandwagon.

WG,

I don't think its a matter of laughing, more recognizing a fact. Loseman is struggling today - fact 1. Bledsoe has been far better than the mediots, Dallas Fandom or Buffalo fans would have predicted, fact 2.

Today, you don't have to reach to appreciate what both mean to their respective teams. Without Bledsoe's play, we are 0-3. He's been more than a bus driver - for those that care to look at the prima-facie evidence.

Again, I’m not laughing at the Buffalo fans (I did that when they lost 4 SB in a row) just a retort from their off-season heckling of Bledose.
 

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I disagree that you can't let "high" picks sit, especially if they're picked at the bottom of the first round. I mean if Carson Palmer and Alex Smith can both sit for a full season when they get those huge #1 bonuses, you can sit Losman for 2 years.
 

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baj1dallas said:
I disagree that you can't let "high" picks sit, especially if they're picked at the bottom of the first round. I mean if Carson Palmer and Alex Smith can both sit for a full season when they get those huge #1 bonuses, you can sit Losman for 2 years.

I agree and I do find it funny that just a few months ago everyone was blaming Bledsoe for the Bills problems well folks Drew was not the problem in Buffalo he was a scape goat
 

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The Bills O-line is not help JP at all. I saw some of their game last week. The poor kid is getting killed. Not to stick up for him or the Bills...But I saw week 1 and JP looked good.

I wouldn't bury any 1st year starter after 3 games. Sorry, I'm with WoodysGirl on this one.
 

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ravidubey said:
High picks just can't be sat down anymore.

Which is the beauty of trading a 3rd round pick for Henson and signing him to a very long, very cap friendly deal.

We *can* afford to sit him until he's ready....
 

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Which is the beauty of trading a 3rd round pick to Henson and signing him to a very long, very cap friendly deal.

We *can* afford to sit him until he's ready....

Good point, you are a wileedog aren't you !
 

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Dough Boy said:
WG,

I don't think its a matter of laughing, more recognizing a fact. Loseman is struggling today - fact 1. Bledsoe has been far better than the mediots, Dallas Fandom or Buffalo fans would have predicted, fact 2.

Today, you don't have to reach to appreciate what both mean to their respective teams. Without Bledsoe's play, we are 0-3. He's been more than a bus driver - for those that care to look at the prima-facie evidence.

Again, I’m not laughing at the Buffalo fans (I did that when they lost 4 SB in a row) just a retort from their off-season heckling of Bledose.
And you're completely right in noting the facts as they stand today. My post wasn't pointing at any one in particular. But I've seen alot of crowing on this board about Losman's struggles, myself included.

Losman has looked bad up to this point, but it doesn't mean it'll last forever. Bledsoe looks good up to this point, but many folks on this board who have watched Bledsoe when he was with the Bills know that this prosperity may not last. Hope it does, but it's not guaranteed.

My thoughts are just wait and let the season play itself out before jumping to conclusions. The proof will be in the W-L column.
 

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Interesting ... Bills vets are whining because the team is trying to develop a young QB.

Shouldn't WE be whining that we went 6-10 last year and DIDN'T try to develop a young QB???
 

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baj1dallas said:
I disagree that you can't let "high" picks sit, especially if they're picked at the bottom of the first round. I mean if Carson Palmer and Alex Smith can both sit for a full season when they get those huge #1 bonuses, you can sit Losman for 2 years.

I didn't say high picks can't sit. They can sit, but they can't be stashed. It is a waste.

Palmer and Smith sat, but there was full expectation of them taking the reigns.

We have the same expectations with Henson. The difference though is he has a completely different scenario and circumstances than Smith or Palmer.

#1 He never had a lot of experience in the NCAA.
#2 He has had a lot of time away from football.
#3 They are changing his throwing motion.
#4 Parcells isn't willing to lose now, to win tomorrow.
#5 Romo was here before him, and has a year more experience in the NFL.

Use common sense.
 
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